pastrychef
macrumors 601
He's getting to it... He's scheduled to go to kowtow to the Saudis this week. The same ones he called murderers last year.
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President Biden Praises Apple Employees in Maryland for Unionizing
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He's getting to it... He's scheduled to go to kowtow to the Saudis this week. The same ones he called murderers last year.
I've worked both and non-union places and there are pros and cons to BOTH sides.
Because we don't know the situation at this particular store all that we can offer is our uninformed opionions.
hovscorpion12
macrumors 68040
Unions are typically created due to workplace wages being too low/working conditions/general workplace conduct not held to a specific standard.
I've always held the belief that Apple Store employees don't get their fare share wage wise as well as company benefits that corporate employees may have.
Instead of praise, Tim should take a deeper look with the management team to fix what the employees are asking for.
I've always held the belief that Apple Store employees don't get their fare share wage wise as well as company benefits that corporate employees may have.
Instead of praise, Tim should take a deeper look with the management team to fix what the employees are asking for.
indychris
macrumors 6502a
Haven't you heard? High inflation and food shortages are a sign of a healthy economy!
sudo-sandwich
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It's not that simple. Suppose the cost stayed the same, no union. Apple would raise the prices anyway if it'd make them more money. They've already optimized that.
Now, if a 10% cost (just an example number) is added on, it changes the optimal price but not by 10%. With their margins, I'd wager more like 1%. Still not a fan of the unions, though.
michaelsviews
macrumors 68000
You forgot to mention higher prices on products. The boy's at the top are not going to loose money.
Unions are NOT the way to go . Just more corruption
MacsRgr8
macrumors G3
Or seek cheaper employees elsewhere...
Even though we're discussing a physical store here, companies will, obviously, always seek ways to reduce costs.
Wages too high in US and EU? Well, make the hardware in Asia.
If stores are deemed to become too expensive, raise the retail prices, or they will shut down.
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There's a reason every fast or semi-fast food restaurant wants me to order from an electronic kiosk now.
pastrychef
macrumors 601
I love those kiosks!! I no longer have people giving me attitude just for taking my order!!
Naraxus
macrumors 68030
This senile old fool needs to remember what day it is and stay out of this ****.
Shut down this store asap Apple
Shut down this store asap Apple
Wauv… some people actually dislikes this comment?!? So they prefer more money to shareholders and top management instead of workers?
Who’s gonna buy the products this company sells then?
If you give lower income groups more money they’re gonna spend it and return it into the society/business. If you give more money to the 1% richest they’re gonna spend it on sending cars into space.
Some corporations did. They were based in Detroit.
robd003
macrumors 6502
Biden just wants to make sure that "10% for the Big Guy" is still in place
Workers grouping together in order to negotiate better pay and conditions from the richest company on the planet.
Well done guys.
Well done guys.
jmgregory1
macrumors 68040
I’m sure that there are a fair number of Apple Store employees that are working these jobs as their career / only source of income, but I’ve always thought of retail jobs as being almost transitory. It’s often a stepping stone to something else, or a place to go at the end of your work life (though Apple Stores seem to have a younger employee demographic). I’m not sure joining a union, and paying dues, when you may work somewhere for a year, maybe two, offers enough benefit for this type of employee.
I’ve worked retail jobs starting in high school, through college and have since worked for a retail chain, though at the corporate level and the things I learned working in stores greatly helped me, and continue to do so today as I have been selling products into retail for more than 25 years, so it was definitely a stepping stone for me.
And for anyone who takes a retail Apple job thinking it will give them an “in” at corporate, unionization would likely be the end of the line for them.
I’ve worked retail jobs starting in high school, through college and have since worked for a retail chain, though at the corporate level and the things I learned working in stores greatly helped me, and continue to do so today as I have been selling products into retail for more than 25 years, so it was definitely a stepping stone for me.
And for anyone who takes a retail Apple job thinking it will give them an “in” at corporate, unionization would likely be the end of the line for them.
quietstormSD
macrumors 65816
When the tide rises, all the boats go higher. Or something like that? lol
I doubt wages for retail employees will make product prices go higher but what do I know. We already pay a premium for Apple products. What’s $100 more for a bigger more accessible actual middle class.
darcyf
macrumors 6502a
Labour laws in the US? Where women aren’t even granted maternity leave? Where there’s an ingrained culture of not taking time off from work even for a vacation? Have you been to any other modern industrialized nations? From the outside looking in, the US looks like a terrible place to work.
'Those companies'? That's how it works. I love when people are shocked that costs are passed along to the consumers.
pasamio
macrumors 6502
Or having to deal with them not hearing me correctly and needing to fix things and then just giving up when they got close enough because it's taken longer to order than it'll take them to prepare and I'll just use the app/kiosk next time.
pasamio
macrumors 6502
It's a communist government, it's already a democratic workers paradise! Just ask them!
Apple is progressive when selling you Pride bands and content creation (taking your money). They are all republicans when it comes to keeping their money
sw1tcher
macrumors 604
DiDi, JD.com,, Meituan, and Ele.me have all so far managed to set up unions for their employees
Explainer: How unions work in China
Chinese tech giants Didi Global Inc and JD.com (9618.HK) have set up unions for their staff in landmark moves in the country's tech sector where organised labour is rare.
probably because of China's belief that companies have become too large, powerful, and wealthy
The government is encouraging companies to implement initiatives to share wealth as part of a recent "common prosperity" drive laid out by President Xi Jinping to ease inequality in the world's second-largest economy.
China also has the largest union in the world, though it's questionable whether they're independent and are truly looking out for the best interest of their members
All-China Federation of Trade Unions - Wikipedia
What rights do the Apple employees not have? Apparently they even said in their letter that it is about gaining rights. What are these?
The number of people in these threads who, like you, are gleefully hoping these workers get utterly screwed and lose their livelihood for daring to collectively bargain for better working conditions really bother me. You and those commenting the same way are somehow incredibly angry at people you’ve never met simply because they want fair wages, protection, and benefits for their labor and I really don’t get it. Why do you want these folks to get screwed? Why do you want it so much you want to not just see it happen but laugh at their misfortune if it did? What did they do to you?
Fun fact: those kiosks don’t usually result in lower staffing levels, they just free up staff to do other things than taking all initial orders, which allows places to expand their menus or increase throughout, or cleanliness, or… etc while keeping the same staffing level