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President Trump to Announce Apple Investment of $100 Billion in US Manufacturing

gugy said:
Give me a break. You are delusional if you think Democrats are any better than republicans. Both parties are there to serve their donors and themselves. You can disagreed with policy but in the end they do not give AF to ordinary people. Democrats have plenty of dark tactics as well. Politics is not like sports to pick a side and support a team.
George Carlin said it best back in the 90's: It's A BIG Club & You Ain't In It!
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Sure there are the Santos and Menendez types out there that can give credence to the notion that all politicians are criminals and alike.

But unlike you, I still have the energy to seek out the truth - and I'm reading a book, the one that JD Vance wrote the foreword - about Project 2025... Heather Cox Richardson raised an alarm about it on a recent podcast. Some of the goals in that book are shocking - and I'm quoting:

- "It's time for a conservatism of fire, to burn it down" ('it' being institutions)
- the party "needs to get over it's reluctance to 'impose' its 'values' on others"

In their (P25ers) view - they don't accept the rule of law if it gets in the way of their winning. Screw majority rule and the pillars on which our society is built. Just on those words and ideas alone you should run from them. You're at best ill informed if you think both parties are the same.
 
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And let’s not ignore the fact that Tim Cook is standing next to him while announcing this. If this were just “words,” why is the CEO of one of the most powerful companies in the world lending credibility to it?
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You would also agree to this PR show if your business was threatened by absurdly high tariffs. For now Apple seems to have secured exemptions where it would hurt them most. The problem is, that the rules can and will change with the stroke of a pen, in a matter of hours, literally.

Bringing back manufacturing to the US is certainly a noble goal. But do you think that micromanaging the whole US economy by one person is a good idea? Also, think about the thousands of companies that don't have the ear of the president and won't get exceptions.
 
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You would also agree to this PR show if your business was threatened by absurdly high tariffs. For now Apple seems to have secured exemptions where it would hurt them most. The problem is, that the rules can and will change with the stroke of a pen, in a matter of hours, literally.

Bringing back manufacturing to the US is certainly a noble goal. But do you think that micromanaging the whole US economy by one person is a good idea? Also, think about the thousands of companies that don't have the ear of the president and won't get exceptions.
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Sure, Apple wants to avoid tariffs. That is obvious. But the fact that Tim Cook is standing next to Trump, publicly aligning with a policy agenda that includes reshoring manufacturing, still matters. CEOs do not risk their brand credibility unless they see real value or real pressure. Either way, that is not “just words.” That is action.

You call it a PR show. I call it leverage. For decades, presidents let China eat our lunch. Trump used tariffs to force the conversation. And guess what? It worked. Apple is investing hundreds of billions in domestic production. That never happened under the old globalist model.

You bring up smaller companies. That is a fair concern, but the bigger problem is the system we had before. It favored multinationals, hollowed out our supply chains, and crushed small and midsize American manufacturers. The status quo was not working. Strategic tariffs level the playing field, especially when targeted at sectors where we need national resilience.

As for the fear of “micromanaging” the economy, the irony is that every administration shapes economic outcomes through regulation, taxation, and trade policy. The difference here is that Trump put America first and actually prioritized domestic production over endless outsourcing.

This is not about one man managing everything. It is about finally using the tools of government to protect the American worker and bring critical industries home. If the old model worked, we would not be in this mess to begin with.
 
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kjvmartin said:
This is not about one man managing everything. It is about finally using the tools of government to protect the American worker and bring critical industries home. If the old model worked, we would not be in this mess to begin with.
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Tariff regimes like the ones now in effect have been tried many times in history. It has never worked the way it was intended. But hey, maybe economics book will need to be rewritten this time, who knows.

I still think that Americans will deeply regret this experiment in a couple of years. Highly competitive multinationals that are leading their respective markets will find ways to arrange themselves with the new order created by the government. Apple is an excellent example since they managed to fend of the blow from the tariff policy by currying favour with the President personally. I'm more worried about the numerous smaller companies that no one is talking about, who will have to restructure their businesses in major ways, possibly by laying of part of their staff.
 
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kjvmartin said:
Sure, Apple wants to avoid tariffs. That is obvious. But the fact that Tim Cook is standing next to Trump, publicly aligning with a policy agenda that includes reshoring manufacturing, still matters. CEOs do not risk their brand credibility unless they see real value or real pressure. Either way, that is not “just words.” That is action.

You call it a PR show. I call it leverage. For decades, presidents let China eat our lunch. Trump used tariffs to force the conversation. And guess what? It worked. Apple is investing hundreds of billions in domestic production. That never happened under the old globalist model.

You bring up smaller companies. That is a fair concern, but the bigger problem is the system we had before. It favored multinationals, hollowed out our supply chains, and crushed small and midsize American manufacturers. The status quo was not working. Strategic tariffs level the playing field, especially when targeted at sectors where we need national resilience.

As for the fear of “micromanaging” the economy, the irony is that every administration shapes economic outcomes through regulation, taxation, and trade policy. The difference here is that Trump put America first and actually prioritized domestic production over endless outsourcing.

This is not about one man managing everything. It is about finally using the tools of government to protect the American worker and bring critical industries home. If the old model worked, we would not be in this mess to begin with.
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“Strategic” like 100% tariffs on chips. Genius.

He’s an old man with dementia who belongs in jails for crimes he was convicted of. You MAGA folk deserve everything coming to you.
 
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dgdosen said:
Sure there are the Santos and Menendez types out there that can give credence to the notion that all politicians are criminals and alike.

But unlike you, I still have the energy to seek out the truth - and I'm reading a book, the one that JD Vance wrote the foreword - about Project 2025... Heather Cox Richardson raised an alarm about it on a recent podcast. Some of the goals in that book are shocking - and I'm quoting:

- "It's time for a conservatism of fire, to burn it down" ('it' being institutions)
- the party "needs to get over it's reluctance to 'impose' its 'values' on others"

In their (P25ers) view - they don't accept the rule of law if it gets in the way of their winning. Screw majority rule and the pillars on which our society is built. Just on those words and ideas alone you should run from them. You're at best ill informed if you think both parties are the same.
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People are naive if they think the parties are different. Look at Pelosi becoming a multi-millionaire in stock trading. Look at Lindsey Graham making millions out of the military-industrial complex, and I could spend the entire day giving example after example of corruption from BOTH sides. At some point, if people want to think politics is a sports game where you like and support one side against the other, then I can only shake my head and let it go. No need to waste my time. Enjoy it. LMAO
 
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kjvmartin said:
Sure, Apple wants to avoid tariffs. That is obvious. But the fact that Tim Cook is standing next to Trump, publicly aligning with a policy agenda that includes reshoring manufacturing, still matters. CEOs do not risk their brand credibility unless they see real value or real pressure. Either way, that is not “just words.” That is action.

You call it a PR show. I call it leverage. For decades, presidents let China eat our lunch. Trump used tariffs to force the conversation. And guess what? It worked. Apple is investing hundreds of billions in domestic production. That never happened under the old globalist model.

You bring up smaller companies. That is a fair concern, but the bigger problem is the system we had before. It favored multinationals, hollowed out our supply chains, and crushed small and midsize American manufacturers. The status quo was not working. Strategic tariffs level the playing field, especially when targeted at sectors where we need national resilience.

As for the fear of “micromanaging” the economy, the irony is that every administration shapes economic outcomes through regulation, taxation, and trade policy. The difference here is that Trump put America first and actually prioritized domestic production over endless outsourcing.

This is not about one man managing everything. It is about finally using the tools of government to protect the American worker and bring critical industries home. If the old model worked, we would not be in this mess to begin with.
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Apple invested billions under Biden's CHIPS Act. Apple is just sucking up to Trump and biding his time. Trump will be gone in 3 years.

TWSC started building their fan in Arizona under Biden. And it was completed late last year. Trump hasn't done squat. 😂
 
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MilaM said:
Tariff regimes like the ones now in effect have been tried many times in history. It has never worked the way it was intended. But hey, maybe economics book will need to be rewritten this time, who knows.

I still think that Americans will deeply regret this experiment in a couple of years. Highly competitive multinationals that are leading their respective markets will find ways to arrange themselves with the new order created by the government. Apple is an excellent example since they managed to fend of the blow from the tariff policy by currying favour with the President personally. I'm more worried about the numerous smaller companies that no one is talking about, who will have to restructure their businesses in major ways, possibly by laying of part of their staff.
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Just ask the Kentucky whiskey business. Better hurry though. They won't be around much longer.
 
TheLocNar said:
Apple invested billions under Biden's CHIPS Act. Apple is just sucking up to Trump and biding his time. Trump will be gone in 3 years.

TWSC started building their fan in Arizona under Biden. And it was completed late last year. Trump hasn't done squat. 😂
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That is not how any of this works. The CHIPS Act did not force Apple or TSMC to invest. It offered incentives, but the reason companies are moving supply chains back to the United States is because of pressure from tariffs and the real threat of economic decoupling from China. That pressure started under Trump. Biden may have signed the CHIPS Act, but even his administration kept most of Trump’s tariffs in place for a reason. It turns out they work. If companies are “sucking up” to Trump, maybe it is because they realize he is serious about protecting American manufacturing, and they are planning for the long term. That is not biding time. That is responding to policy.
 
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GizmoDVD said:
“Strategic” like 100% tariffs on chips. Genius.

He’s an old man with dementia who belongs in jails for crimes he was convicted of. You MAGA folk deserve everything coming to you.
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If your argument against tariffs is to scream about Trump’s age and call half the country names, you have already lost the debate. Strategic tariffs are not about punishing consumers, they are about rebuilding leverage in industries we allowed China to dominate. That includes semiconductors, which are critical to national security. You may not like the messenger, but the policy has forced companies to bring production back and rethink dependency on hostile regimes. That is how real change happens. Calling people names does not solve anything. Policy does.
 
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MilaM said:
This is what I mean by micromanaging:

Intel shares drop after Trump calls for CEO to resign immediately
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Calling out the Intel CEO is not micromanagement. It is leadership. When you are the President and you see the head of a critical American tech company cozying up to the Chinese Communist Party, you speak up. That is not overreach, that is protecting national interests. The old way of doing things was to sit back, let corporate boards call the shots, and watch as American companies offshored jobs and innovation. That is how we lost our edge. If a CEO is compromised or entangled with adversarial regimes, they should not be leading a company central to our economic and national security. The stock market might not like it, but real leadership is not about keeping shareholders happy for a day. It is about securing the country’s future.
 
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MilaM said:
Tariff regimes like the ones now in effect have been tried many times in history. It has never worked the way it was intended. But hey, maybe economics book will need to be rewritten this time, who knows.

I still think that Americans will deeply regret this experiment in a couple of years. Highly competitive multinationals that are leading their respective markets will find ways to arrange themselves with the new order created by the government. Apple is an excellent example since they managed to fend of the blow from the tariff policy by currying favour with the President personally. I'm more worried about the numerous smaller companies that no one is talking about, who will have to restructure their businesses in major ways, possibly by laying of part of their staff.
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Tariffs are not some economic magic trick meant to instantly boost GDP. They are a tool, one designed to correct the massive structural imbalance created by decades of blind globalization. The idea that they have “never worked” ignores the entire history of how the United States became an industrial power in the first place. Tariffs protected American industries during their growth phase. China did the same. Now we are simply playing catch-up after giving away our leverage for cheap labor and corporate profit.

Multinationals may find ways around it. That is expected. But the point is not to punish Apple or force every company into a perfect domestic supply chain. The goal is to tilt the playing field back toward American workers and small manufacturers who were wiped out by a race-to-the-bottom trade model.

If smaller companies are struggling to adjust, that reflects how deeply offshoring hollowed out our economy. Fixing it will take real disruption. But doing nothing means we continue to rely on adversaries for critical goods, lose resilience, and leave the middle class behind. That is not smart economics. That is surrender.
 
thiscatisfat said:
Trump's tactic is blackmailing. I wouldn't want to be in Cook's shoes. I wonder what will Cook trade for what he wants from Trump. This isn't good...
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Invest in American manufacturing and jobs and avoid tariffs. That's how the deal works.
 
Artemiz said:
Nothing. But tariffs have something to do with the Epstein files. To get people to move on and forget.
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Dude, he announced tariffs on day one, it's been an ongoing thing.

If you were paying attention, the Russia hoax expose is a story they might have pushed out to forget about Epstein. But you wouldn't know that if you follow the mainstream networks.
 
kjvmartin said:
That is not how any of this works. The CHIPS Act did not force Apple or TSMC to invest. It offered incentives, but the reason companies are moving supply chains back to the United States is because of pressure from tariffs and the real threat of economic decoupling from China. That pressure started under Trump. Biden may have signed the CHIPS Act, but even his administration kept most of Trump’s tariffs in place for a reason. It turns out they work. If companies are “sucking up” to Trump, maybe it is because they realize he is serious about protecting American manufacturing, and they are planning for the long term. That is not biding time. That is responding to policy.
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The Biden admin kept tariffs on China because of China's trade practices, and frankly that's pretty defensible and good for the US. The next president will not keep much of the tariffs in 2.0 because they're not defensible and will hurt the US in the long run. Overall - I was pretty comfortable with the direction we were headed under the Biden admin, terrible debate performance and all.

The problem with 'sucking up', is that in place of the rule of law, you've got Trump being openly corrupt in all of this - pay to play schemes, carve out in policies, etc. Trump is selling you that's he's protecting your future, when he's really a charlatan and is fleecing you (us). You just don't realize it yet, but you will.
 
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Dude, he announced tariffs on day one, it's been an ongoing thing.

If you were paying attention, the Russia hoax expose is a story they might have pushed out to forget about Epstein. But you wouldn't know that if you follow the mainstream networks.
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I don’t know which side you’re on but labeling everything that deviates from your predetermined view of something as MSM is going to keep you from learning facts.

You wouldn’t know about the millions made by his closest allies during the market manipulation in the name of a tariff war without the so called MSM. And would be just as oblivious to the missing 3 mins of the prison video without them. These are not the facts reported by the non-MSM as it would alienate their viewers.
 
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Did Tim Cook promise that Apple will be making the glass in US?
Looks like it to me. He presented a disc of glass labeled Apple.
At the WWDC they had all of these glass items, to showcase the new glass UI. Great virtual glass, made in the US 😆

Showing up in the White House with a glass disc, and an investment pledge?
At least Trump got a Mac Pro 2019 during his first tenure. But I guess the gold might be worth as much as that old Mac Pro. Albeit I fail to see how it really will make a dent in US made Apple products.

This summer I had a cuckoo nearby for more than a month, even in my garden. Telling me every single day, that the world has gone cuckoo.
It is rare that I ever hear these birds where I live. Guess synchronicity is a real thing
 
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kjvmartin said:
Fixing it will take real disruption. But doing nothing means we continue to rely on adversaries for critical goods, lose resilience, and leave the middle class behind. That is not smart economics.
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I just don't think that tariffs are the right tool to help the middle class. Your nominal GDP per capita is comfortably in the top ten of the whole world and twice the average of all European Union countries. Maybe it's more a problem of distribution of wealth inside rather than a trade deficit and globalization problem.
 
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