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Oh, oh, those crazy americans. I sometimes can't believe how extreme the country is in their believes, way of thinking.
Sure, as a parent you play a vital part in your kids education. No matter if this is school, EQ, IQ or something as sexual development. But kids will come to a certain age where they will feel the need to discover it. They will do so and that's healthy (and the way nature intended it to be). Here's where your parenting part comes in. In a way you need to be able to speak about with your kid and inform them in a grown up manner. That's all you can do. By making restrictions and stuff like that, you only push them away.
As of this morning, my local dutch newspaper had a article about the state of New York adding another word to the prohibited words for schools. Now, no exam can ask questions concerning 'birthdays'. Nor can it ask questions that includes the words dance, poverty, Halloween and a lot more (50 words in total). I mean, come on, wake up. This stuff is just so American. If that would happen in Holland, it would be a real discussion in our Parlement. Such a foolish thing.
Oh oh, guess I'm happy to live here, in Holland (or Europe for that matter). I only wish I would have those American car prices. Damn, those are cheap.
You'd pay a full 110.000 euro's for a more or less full-option BMW X5 (V6 engine). Damn, that's not really US pricey, eh? Also, a majority of the more upper class cars in Holland are actually owned (paid for). It sure is fascinating, those differences. I can always see that on these forums.
iPad 3 issues and dissatisfaction? Nah, I can't really see or hear a lot about it in Holland.. I guess it's the people who create the issues (80% of the time)
Sure, as a parent you play a vital part in your kids education. No matter if this is school, EQ, IQ or something as sexual development. But kids will come to a certain age where they will feel the need to discover it. They will do so and that's healthy (and the way nature intended it to be). Here's where your parenting part comes in. In a way you need to be able to speak about with your kid and inform them in a grown up manner. That's all you can do. By making restrictions and stuff like that, you only push them away.
As of this morning, my local dutch newspaper had a article about the state of New York adding another word to the prohibited words for schools. Now, no exam can ask questions concerning 'birthdays'. Nor can it ask questions that includes the words dance, poverty, Halloween and a lot more (50 words in total). I mean, come on, wake up. This stuff is just so American. If that would happen in Holland, it would be a real discussion in our Parlement. Such a foolish thing.
Oh oh, guess I'm happy to live here, in Holland (or Europe for that matter). I only wish I would have those American car prices. Damn, those are cheap.
You'd pay a full 110.000 euro's for a more or less full-option BMW X5 (V6 engine). Damn, that's not really US pricey, eh? Also, a majority of the more upper class cars in Holland are actually owned (paid for). It sure is fascinating, those differences. I can always see that on these forums.
iPad 3 issues and dissatisfaction? Nah, I can't really see or hear a lot about it in Holland.. I guess it's the people who create the issues (80% of the time)
I'm going to be an ass here. You live in The Netherlands. Holland is a region with two provinces in it.
I agree with you on sexual development tho; it's my belief you have to let them discover stuff (even if you don't like it). There's no definite proof of IQ and EQ being influenced by parenting, and i don't believe most high end cars are paid for over here. With gas prices at > $9,- a gallon, i don't think we are better off ;-)
Also, for parents more closed minded than this one:
if you don't like nature and this world in it's current state, don't bring kids into it.
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I'm an American, and I honestly can't stand how conservative we as a country are.
Yes, pardon me for saying it, but you were an ass. Many foreign people refer to The Netherlands as Holland, therefore, I use that name. Because quite frankly, when I am on a holiday and people ask me where I am from, they, most of the time, don't quite know what The Netherlands is. Holland does it (always).
Holland is divided between Noord-Holland (North) en Zuid-Holland (South). Those are two of the 12 provinces of The Netherlands, yes.
That said, a much higher percentage of the premium cars are privately owned here, in The Netherlands, than in the U.S.A. That's just known. Most Dutch citizens do not even own a credit card as well. .
Those are big differences. We tend to be real and buy stuff with the money we own. If we do not have the cash, we don't buy it. Mac's and other consumer goods, they are bought with money. There isn't even an option to rent or lease or whatever you wanna do. Thus, the american way, is not 2012-like anymore.
About 3,79 Liter makes 1 US gallon. The price for 1 liter on gas is now: 1, 74 EU.
So, 3,79 x 1,74 = 6,59 Eu per Gallon. This will be 6,59 x 1, 33 = $8,78 per gallon.
So, yes. If that's your rate, it seems to be rather equally expensive.
Though, I do like many aspects of the U.S.A as well, don't get me wrong. It's a great country in many ways, but then again, many flaws come within the same package
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So, people call our country by a wrong name. Please don't enforce them.Yes, pardon me for saying it, but you were an ass. Many foreign people refer to The Netherlands as Holland, therefore, I use that name. Because quite frankly, when I am on a holiday and people ask me where I am from, they, most of the time, don't quite know what The Netherlands is. Holland does it (always).
Holland is divided between Noord-Holland (North) en Zuid-Holland (South). Those are two of the 12 provinces of The Netherlands, yes.
That said, a much higher percentage of the premium cars are privately owned here, in The Netherlands, than in the U.S.A. That's just known. Most Dutch citizens do not even own a credit card as well. .
Those are big differences. We tend to be real and buy stuff with the money we own. If we do not have the cash, we don't buy it. Mac's and other consumer goods, they are bought with money. There isn't even an option to rent or lease or whatever you wanna do. Thus, the american way, is not 2012-like anymore.
About 3,79 Liter makes 1 US gallon. The price for 1 liter on gas is now: 1, 74 EU.
So, 3,79 x 1,74 = 6,59 Eu per Gallon. This will be 6,59 x 1, 33 = $8,78 per gallon.
So, yes. If that's your rate, it seems to be rather equally expensive.
Though, I do like many aspects of the U.S.A as well, don't get me wrong. It's a great country in many ways, but then again, many flaws come within the same package
Yes, US has a debt driven economy, we do too. You can lease almost anything over here; even every mac seller has lease.
We just don't tell the neighbors.
Your opinion is based on preconception. We dutch people have a lot of those (for example, greeks are lazy and we work hard
) So it happens we have more debt than U.S citizens:Dutch debt per capita: $226,503
US Debt per capita: $47,568
Fun Fact: the topicstarter is Australian.
So, people call our country by a wrong name. Please don't enforce them.
Yes, US has a debt driven economy, we do too. You can lease almost anything over here; even every mac seller has lease.
We just don't tell the neighbors.
Your opinion is based on preconception. We dutch people have a lot of those (for example, greeks are lazy and we work hard
Dutch debt per capita: $226,503
US Debt per capita: $47,568
Fun Fact: the topicstarter is Australian.
I actually do work in a Apple Premium Reseller as a side-job (student) and the majority of the people do not buy with a lease-option.
But oh my, the OP is Australian
. Didn't saw that one coming.
I actually do work in a Apple Premium Reseller as a side-job (student) and the majority of the people do not buy with a lease-option.
But oh my, the OP is Australian
I wouldn't have guessed that, i always imagined more people would lease. It can be a good choice business wise by the way.
The debt thing surprised me too. The more i look up things i thought i knew, the more i mistrust common conceptions and "what i think i know". -edit: and the media ;-)-
Congrats, you'll fail.
But at least your kid will learn some valuable IT skills when he bypasses your censorship. Or some finance skills when he pays someone at school to do it for him.
Phazer
But at least your kid will learn some valuable IT skills when he bypasses your censorship. Or some finance skills when he pays someone at school to do it for him.
Phazer
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My $0.02: Your best bet is going to be router-level blocking using something such as OpenDNS and a custom firmware solution like OpenWrt. Otherwise, your son could very well just revert the router's DNS settings to subvert OpenDNS. Best of luck!
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Wow, could most your replies be ANY worse? For God's sake, the original poster, to my knowledge, did NOT ask, "Hey guys, can you give me your opinion about porn?"
Regardless of what your personal opinion on the issue is, this is just moronic forum behavior.
Here are your two options for responding to this question. Take care to pick the correct one, as there will be NO extra credit for the remainder of this exam:
a) Answer the actual question asked (as a few of you did)
b) Keep your own tangential opinions to yourself
My $0.02: Your best bet is going to be router-level blocking using something such as OpenDNS and a custom firmware solution like OpenWrt. Otherwise, your son could very well just revert the router's DNS settings to subvert OpenDNS. Best of luck!
Response to Everyone Else:
Wow, could most your replies be ANY worse? For God's sake, the original poster, to my knowledge, did NOT ask, "Hey guys, can you give me your opinion about porn?"
Regardless of what your personal opinion on the issue is, this is just moronic forum behavior.
Here are your two options for responding to this question. Take care to pick the correct one, as there will be NO extra credit for the remainder of this exam:
a) Answer the actual question asked (as a few of you did)
b) Keep your own tangential opinions to yourself
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Epitome of Internet Rage^
The only moronic forum behavior is your post calling everyone out because you yourself do not agree with what has been said.
A thread is interpreted differently by various people, there is NO set amount of options for responding to it. If you don't like what has been said, don't comment, there is no reason to degrade others.
I just have to chime in here, because most of you are complete @$$holes. It's not futile to install a filter, and will definitely make a profound positive impact on the OP's son.
I, for one, am proud to have never set eyes on pornography, mostly due to my parents installing mobicip on my iPod and K9 on my macbook. :3 (17 yrs old btw)
OP is one of the few people here who actually care about children, apparently.
I, for one, am proud to have never set eyes on pornography, mostly due to my parents installing mobicip on my iPod and K9 on my macbook. :3 (17 yrs old btw)
OP is one of the few people here who actually care about children, apparently.
If he knows what it is and your opinion of it, they why worry?
Faith comes not from being shielded from temptation, but the strength NOT be tempted to go further.
The genuine suggestions offered are the best, but don't expect it to be fool proof.
Cheers!
Did you forget what it's like to be under 30? Here's a hint: sex and masturbation is important, both for your mental and personal health. Your son will not lose his vision and will not grow hairy palms if he masturbates. If he doesn't get off to porn, he will get off regardless. He's a boy. Obviously at some age around puberty. It will happen. Often. Don't be naive about the situation-- installing a filter will do nothing unless you hide him in a black box shielded from the world.
What are you going to do when he sees an attractive woman walking down the street and gets an erection? Are you going to yell at him to avert his eyes? Are you going to stop him from hanging out with his friends? One of them will have access to porn.
The point is, let your son live. Sex is a fundamental part of man and nature. Caging it in won't do anything helpful for your son.
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There's a thin line between protection and oppression. I will, always, try to minimize the latter. I, in my turn, will not be oppressed by fellow forum members telling me to ****.
We don't know the situation tho (What if the boy in question is, for example, mentally challenged, or 8 years old).
PS: openDNS is BY far the best option.
We don't know the situation tho (What if the boy in question is, for example, mentally challenged, or 8 years old).
PS: openDNS is BY far the best option.
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I use OpenDNS as well. It's quite flexible and has many preset filter for different types of material. I don't filter too much, but do block the hardcore porn and a couple other things (other adult material, ads/spam, etc.). I don't care if my kids look at naked pictures, boobs, etc., but I would prefer they not see the hardcore f, oral and such until they're older.
I try not to block the things that would be educational (legitimately educational, not learn-by-watching-porn educational) like reproductive anatomy and physiology.
You can also block domains of your choice by adding them to your filter settings. And you can look to see if/when attempt was made at accessing blocked sites, too, so you can see if your kid is really trying (don't be too tough on him, though, as not all access attempts are on purpose - some may be redirects from other websites or other links).
There IS an easy way around the OpenDNS filters, but I wont post the method here. But a resourceful, computer-savvy kid could get around it. So other than restricting access to the internet on the iPod altogether, it's about as good as it gets.
It's funny how everyone here thinks porn is a prerequisite for masturbation. I hit puberty in the early 80s, had zero access to porn, and I had no problems using my imagination.
Regardless, I think most of these people questioning why you want to limit or hinder your teenagers access to porn must not be parents. Young minds are too vulnerable at that point. He will have all the access he wants when he turns 18 and goes off to college or out on his own.
Teaching your teenager about sex in your own value system is important to most parents. I'm not going to let pornography do it. Same way I wouldn't let Gordon Ramsey teach my child how to treat other people.
Router blocking would be the way to go. But I know that wouldn't be best in my case, cause dad still needs his porn.
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Not wanting your teen to watch porn doesn't mean you are against sex or masturbation....or porn!
Regardless, I think most of these people questioning why you want to limit or hinder your teenagers access to porn must not be parents. Young minds are too vulnerable at that point. He will have all the access he wants when he turns 18 and goes off to college or out on his own.
Teaching your teenager about sex in your own value system is important to most parents. I'm not going to let pornography do it. Same way I wouldn't let Gordon Ramsey teach my child how to treat other people.
Router blocking would be the way to go. But I know that wouldn't be best in my case, cause dad still needs his porn.
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Not wanting your teen to watch porn doesn't mean you are against sex or masturbation....or porn!
Consequences
I fought with the whole parental control thing for a while and it ended up being more of a hassle. Most parental controls end up blocking legitimate sites and I end up spending a lot of time giving my kids permission to view a page, or look at a video so they can get their homework done or watch the latest viral video. We simply sat both of our kids down and laid down the law. I told them I can see everything they view and we are going to check their histories every week. If there is anything on any of their devices that we as parents deem not appropriate the consequences will be that they lose their privileges and will be grounded. If they delete their histories they will lose all online privileges for an indefinite amount of time. If they sneak around and we catch them going to a friends house and using their devices to view inappropriate things they are never aloud to hang with that person again. We basically give our kids enough rope to hang themselves (metaphorically speaking).
I know kids will be kids and a lot of it is natural. Our big concern is the crap that isn't natural, or is disrespectful. They also know they can talk to us about anything they see. So far this method seems to be working. I decided to not let technology watch my kids. Technology can be hacked. Good parenting can't.
I fought with the whole parental control thing for a while and it ended up being more of a hassle. Most parental controls end up blocking legitimate sites and I end up spending a lot of time giving my kids permission to view a page, or look at a video so they can get their homework done or watch the latest viral video. We simply sat both of our kids down and laid down the law. I told them I can see everything they view and we are going to check their histories every week. If there is anything on any of their devices that we as parents deem not appropriate the consequences will be that they lose their privileges and will be grounded. If they delete their histories they will lose all online privileges for an indefinite amount of time. If they sneak around and we catch them going to a friends house and using their devices to view inappropriate things they are never aloud to hang with that person again. We basically give our kids enough rope to hang themselves (metaphorically speaking).
I know kids will be kids and a lot of it is natural. Our big concern is the crap that isn't natural, or is disrespectful. They also know they can talk to us about anything they see. So far this method seems to be working. I decided to not let technology watch my kids. Technology can be hacked. Good parenting can't.
He stated he wants to stop the boy from viewing porn.
He doesn't want to stop it altogether.
LMAO at this thread. The thing that was never mentioned is how old is the son? If he's a kid, the request is legitimate. If he is a teenager, I agree with the person who said just let it alone. Lighten up.
You seem to be having some difficulty understanding, so let me help.
I said "REGARDLESS of your personal opinion". That includes mine. I just happen to agree with the OP's opinion. That still doesn't change that going off on some personal tangent that in NO way answers the OP's question is moronic.
This isn't an attack on people who have differing opinions. It's an attack on people who are going out of their way to NOT answer the question asked...
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To expand on my previous post, it's actually possible to completely configure your router to both use OpenDNS for filtering AND OpenWrt to prevent DHCP clients from specifying their own DNS servers. Normally, if the router's DNS server is unsatisfactory, each client is able to specify its own. However, with certain OpenWrt configurations, it's possible to block these requests. Short of completely resetting the router to its default settings, it IS possible to achieve a complete porn-blocking solution.
Of course, there will be false positives, so it's not fool proof.
I'm not going to get too involved in this discussion, but I'd like to chime in and mention that you can delete individual history items in Safari on the Mac, and that on the iOS platform they could get around that by downloading a alternate browser..
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