As an upcoming new Apple computer owner (freedom!), I am very excited to see the changes today. I've been patiently waiting to see what would happen. Now we have something different and I'm evaluating this so I can move quickly. My needs: DJing and iPhone game development. I don't believe I need the latest/greatest and I don't need to have the very best graphics card/screen. I am now torn between getting a new 13" mbp, or the now older version of the 15"mbp. I thought I'd simply go the refurb route, but the prices on the refurbs are no lower. Will that change? Unless I'm missing something, refurb is not a good option right now. There are so many factors to consider: New 13 mbp -student discount + ipod touch (through a friend) -dropped one of the audio ports (not sure how that would be involved in DJing) -new screen -fireware parity w/ all mbps -new battery life, as well as charge Old -larger screen -9600 vid card -express card slot (do many people really even use this practically speaking?) -price???? Again, refurbs don't make sense (am I missing something). So, I guess I need to track down a reduced price one online, like macmall/clubmac, and that assumes they'll have some deal up shortly (nothing I see for now). -buy online and save $100+ in taxes Whatever path I go, I intend to go to 4gb, and possibly upgrade drive in time. Can you guys provide some specific feedback?