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So if Jobs was in fact involved in every aspect of the design did he also clean the floor? Or did he just cast blame and treat others like garbage?
 
The source was Apple. Yet as you've so accurately brought up, it's totally meaningless.

Links, please.

Specifically, a link from xxx.apple.com that says that "Steve Jobs left a 5 year pipeline of products before he succombed on 5 October".

Otherwise, it seems to be a fantasy among the Apple fans....
 
With all due respect, Steve Jobs was notorious for putting form before function.

A key reason Macbook Pros don't have blueray players is Steve wanted slot-type cd drives instead of a tray coming out, as Steve thought they were far more elegant. When told slot drives would limit the future functionality of the players, Steve went ahead anyways.



Errrr???? that just isn't true! The idea of using optical media is old fashioned - that was the reason. A key reason my foot!
 
Errrr???? that just isn't true! The idea of using optical media is old fashioned - that was the reason. A key reason my foot!

Eh, that old fashion media is still for many people the only practical way to acquire movies, music, and software. Not everyone has access to decent broadband Internet. I know this all to well since up until a couple years ago I was living in rural Nevada, where my only options were dial-up and satellite.
 
Eh, that old fashion media is still for many people the only practical way to acquire movies, music, and software. Not everyone has access to decent broadband Internet. I know this all to well since up until a couple years ago I was living in rural Nevada, where my only options were dial-up and satellite.

yeah okay, perhaps they should keep an analog modem in a MBP too? Its like MS Windows 8 - its also 32bit! Now that's the same mindset you have isn't it.
 
yeah okay, perhaps they should keep an analog modem in a MBP too? Its like MS Windows 8 - its also 32bit! Now that's the same mindset you have isn't it.

So you're perfectly okay with with the idea of depriving millions of users just because you think the technology is outdated?

I should also point out that DVD/BR rentals are typically much cheaper than their iTunes equivalent. And DVDs can easily be shared. Unfortunately the same cannot be said for a DRM-infested digital copy.
 
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I wonder how many times Steve went ******* over the grease marks and fingerprints on the black MacBooks (which, admittedly, looked beautiful when clean). I mean, they were around for nearly 3 years.
 
So you're perfectly okay with with the idea of depriving millions of users just because you think the technology is outdated?

I should also point out that DVD/BR rentals are typically much cheaper[/] than their iTunes equivalent. And DVDs can easily be shared. The same cannot be said for a DRM-infested digital copy.


Steve was wrong leave the Bluray player out of the MBP? Is it also wrong to leave the optical drive out of the MacBook Air too? Yeah its also wrong to leave it out of the iPad isn't it or not have an SD card slot, or USB port.

Perhaps we should fix all those issues so not to 'deprive millions of users'. Do you understand my point? I get your point but my point is "you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet".

I think physical media lost it when the LP was replaced - all the artwork and fun of ownership died along with that.
 
HE WOULD HAVE APPROVED IT!

Siri anyone? The man believed in iteration and had become barely rational in his attitude to Google. I think he would have shipped it, probably not written a letter like Tim's, and fired some engineers (or told them to be ashamed of themselves).

I am in shock at the rose tinted memory of this thread.
You can't compare Maps with Siri.
Apple Maps replaced a basic functionality that had been there for 5 years on the iPhone (and in all other smartphones) with something that doesn't work for a whole bunch of people. Mapping services are a mature product at this point.

Siri isn't replacing any existing functionality. What's more, Siri isn't notably worse than the competition. Natural LUI is still in its infancy stage; maps are not.

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He most likely did, seeing as that they probably have been thinking about it and working on it for years.
The app itself is not the problem. The problem is that the map data that Apple Maps use just suck (it apparently sucks less in some countries than others).
 
Yup. And thats why Apple used crappy plastic on the iPhone 3G/3GS, poor plastic on non unibody MacBooks, stanless steel (impossible to NOT scratch) among other choices. Apple always has been a form over function company. The looks are more important than the features.

I don't think the looks have anything to do with the features. Making the body of a MacBook rubber as opposed to steal, doesn't change the features of the device. It may affect the heat dispersal among other things, but is still has the same physical hardware inside it, doesn't it?

Their choices in material may not have been the best, but they certainly made the best effort to make it as usable a material as possible and I suspect there were engineering reasons behind their choice as well. This is a company that doesn't take any small decision lightly, at least while Steve was around.

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They didn't lie, they simply distorted reality. It's called "business".

You clean your house before people come over and act like that's how you always live, right?

That's how I always live. I guess some people are messier than others. :)
 
The scuffing is not a big deal to me. Just have to avoid dropping it.

A few dings on the case isn't going to prevent your iPhone from doing its job.

Wear and tear is inevitable. It doesn't matter what material you use. Scratches, dents and chips will happen over time.

People seem to be expecting their iPhones to be indestructible.
 
So you mean to tell me that Apple had 8 years to fix scuffgate? Anyways Apple will never have the perfection with out Steve. His micromanaging really made Apple.

Only after his managing ruined Apple. Don't forget that part. Apple will never be what it was to it's loyal invested customers that truly appreciated Jobs, but that in no way means the company can't continue to grow and put out great products.
 
So you're perfectly okay with with the idea of depriving millions of users just because you think the technology is outdated?
I understand the frustration of some users about the Mac not having a built-in Blu-ray drive, but internal optical drives are gradually disappearing from all PCs, not just Apple products.

Even on the software end, it seems that Windows 8 won't support DVD and Blu-ray playback either (http://www.techspot.com/news/48459-windows-8-wont-support-dvd-blu-ray-playback-by-default.html).

Finally, the million of users who want a Blu-ray drive can either buy an external drive or, if it's only to watch movies in true HD (and not the compressed stuff that's available on Netflix and iTunes), just buy a dedicated Blu-ray player or a PS3.

I should also point out that DVD/BR rentals are typically much cheaper than their iTunes equivalent.
It really depends on where you live.

In Japan it's actually more expensive to rent a DVD/BR than to rent the digital version on iTunes (a 1-day rental is typically 400 yen with late fees of 250 yen/day versus 30-days rental for 300 - 500 yen on iTunes and no late fees).
 
He was a man not a god... there seems to be a bit of an unhealthy affixation on this one person here.

Not unhealthy at all. He had many imperfections, his role as a father being the biggest. But as a straw boss, demanding ****** he was the best.
 
My what an interesting series of assumptions. Perhaps you missed all the posts that revealed Jobs left behind specific plans for over five years of products. It went on to talk about his hands on involvement with what is now iPhone 5 & others.

That said it's important that you be happy with your beliefs. Especially of that impacts your perception of Apple.

I have remained very loyal to Apple through both good times & bad.

Yet there's no company I know of where every product is a milestone & far better than the last. That's where a great number of Apple buyers differ. Those in the group proudly declare any new Apple product a game changer in the footsteps of their hero.

Logic would dictate that if you have a billion dollar tech company and your CEO is about to die, two things have to happen in order to not send the stock prices plummeting by spooking investors, 1.) you need to find a replacement for your current CEO and everyone knows you don't just hand a billion dollar company over to anyone unless you're absolutely sure that they can handle it, so Cook has been acting CEO behind the scenes making key business decisions for at least 12 months before it was officially announced and 2.) if your current CEO is as charismatic and as much a part of the company as the product it sells, as Jobs was, you're going to have to assure investors that the integral part of the company that's no longer going to be there has left behind a very clear road map for the direction of the corporation for at least five years, if not longer, which is what you're referencing.

That road map probably included details for Apple University and a vague timeline for product releases and specific instructions on which lawsuits to continue to fight or carry out in the future and which companies and technologies should be actively pursued and acquired. The details of the actual products to be released was more than likely not mentioned. It is known that Jobs wanted an Apple branded television set and something to do with Photography, maybe an Apple branded Camera with the the Lytro technology or something similar included in it.

Of course they're going to say Jobs had something to do with the iPhone 5 and they'll probably continue to say that about all products being released for 5 years from now or even longer. Every product will come with the Steve Jobs stamp of approval and the illusion of the magic being baked in even though he probably only gave a vague description of what technologies should be included. So to say that Jobs put out the iPhone 5...that's doubtful.

Making the 5 year road map seem as if it includes details for specific products is to keep investors from jumping ship and to keep the mindless hordes buying product that they think Jobs signed off on. I call BS, and with a couple more subpar product releases it should be obvious.

Apple faltered without Jobs before and it will fail again only this time the master magician will not be back for an encore to turn things around.

Apple's momentum, post-Jobs, will start to subside and it will find itself right back where it was pre-iPhone. They're destroying what is a near perfect product, the iPhone 4/4S design is amazing. iPhone 5, not so much. The only way that they could improve the iPhone is go back to the size of the 4/4S and make it an all display front to increase the screen size instead of stretching the phone itself and use the under glass technology they submitted the patent for for the camera and speaker and do away with the home button or make it a small physical button somewhere on the side. Lion and Mountain Lion are cr*p and Apple needs to go back to the simplicity of Snow Leopard and simplify it even further. Make it leaner and faster and fix iTunes so it doesn't mess up music.

Regardless, you believe what you want to believe, my eyes are wide open and I see exactly what is happening. I fear it, because if it continues there will no longer be any computing options for me when my computer dies or technology progresses to where I need a faster machine, none of the systems coming out of Apple in six months from now will support Snow Leopard and I can't use Lion/Mountain Lion/any other cr*p they come out with next that sucks like those and I hate Windows Vista, 7 & 8.
 
Thats one thing Jobs did very well.

He understood that things had to perform and appear right in the real world. the Floor tile example just emphasizes that. (as many pointed out and I do agre, he wasn't perfect either, didnt meant o imply I thought he was)

(this is something i would like to emphasize in my post, not glowing love for the corpse of Jobs)
Sometimes what looks the best, isn't always the right choice for the real world for other reasons.

I think this current 'scuffgate' is an example of that. Yes, the black ionodized aluminium looks amazing, But if it's inable to cope with everyday "scuffing and dings" well, it's clearly not the best choice. Choosing something purely for looks over function was something even Jobs didnt do. it was an all together package.

Something that I'm not sure the current top brass seem to understand just yet.

Are you sure?

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And don't get me started with the white MacBooks!
 
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You can't compare Maps with Siri.
Apple Maps replaced a basic functionality that had been there for 5 years on the iPhone (and in all other smartphones) with something that doesn't work for a whole bunch of people. Mapping services are a mature product at this point.

Siri isn't replacing any existing functionality. What's more, Siri isn't notably worse than the competition. Natural LUI is still in its infancy stage; maps are not.


You missed the point.
 
You missed the point.
I thought that the point was to show that it's presumptuous to think that SJ would have approved the new Maps app -which replace an existing, reliable functionality with an amateurish app- based on the fact that he had approved Siri - a brand new service which, although still in its infancy, measures up with competing services on other platforms.
In other words, comparing Siri and the new Maps app is comparing apples and oranges.
 
Links, please.

Specifically, a link from xxx.apple.com that says that "Steve Jobs left a 5 year pipeline of products before he succombed on 5 October".

Otherwise, it seems to be a fantasy among the Apple fans....

Based on Apple's known level of internal product secrecy, especially that of Steve Jobs, I assume your request is somewhat rhetorical.

I also have doubts about Jobs having created a specific 5 year plan for after his death, however I am also under the impression that this company is (and was) run well enough to plan out their product future.

It is not hard to believe that any good CEO would have a 3 to 4 year plan, regardless of knowledge (or lack) of a pending death. While we all have disagreements regarding the success of the company and their products, it is unlikely that any of them were conceived, designed, tested, and built within 1 let alone 2 years.
 
Based on Apple's known level of internal product secrecy, especially that of Steve Jobs, I assume your request is somewhat rhetorical.

I also have doubts about Jobs having created a specific 5 year plan for after his death, however I am also under the impression that this company is (and was) run well enough to plan out their product future.

It is not hard to believe that any good CEO would have a 3 to 4 year plan, regardless of knowledge (or lack) of a pending death. While we all have disagreements regarding the success of the company and their products, it is unlikely that any of them were conceived, designed, tested, and built within 1 let alone 2 years.

I agree with you almost completely.

I debate those who seem to think that every Apple product to be released before 5 October 2016 has already been approved by the turtlenecked one - and cite the "mythical five year plan".

And I also question basing the "mythical five year plan" from 5 October 2011. Jobs went on medical leave, naming Cook "acting CEO" in January 2011. In August 2011, Jobs formally resigned and Cook took the official title. One could assume that Jobs' involvement with Apple diminished over that period.

But mainly, I feel that tech changes too quickly to have specific 5 year plans. General guidelines, for sure. But specific product designs - no way.

I hope that tomorrow is the day that Apple truly enters the "post-Jobs era", and "Steve wouldn't have..." joins "PowerBook G5 on Tuesday" in the library of tired clichés.
 
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