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Privacy Advocates Cite NSA Hack as Vindication of Apple's Fight With FBI

BvizioN said:
Com on man, really? For something so basic that every child on the world ( well, almost) learn since the age of 7?? On what planet do you live? :)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continent
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Read this article and tell how many continents there are :) I already learned today that Europe is considered a continent in UK. So every child learn different definition (and Europe/Asia separation seems least logical to me - all other variants at least have some logic).
 
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BvizioN said:
Ok. A final question ( we ran off the subject by miles so I will end it here)

What is Europe (note, Europe and not EU) considered in the rest of the world?
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Well, I cannot say for the rest of the world - but in Russia Europe geographically is Western part of Eurasia continent. And Britain as an island is not a part of any continent geographically. Politically UK was always in Europe (not talking about EU here), but it is not a part of Continental Europe last 8000 years.

But you are right, let's finish this off-topic.
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SBlue1 said:
What?? In what school did you go dude?? If any... Holy cow.
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Ignorance is a bliss. I've already learned today that different countries define continents differently, now it is your turn :)

The most restricted meaning of continent is that of a continuous[5] area of land or mainland, with the coastline and any land boundaries forming the edge of the continent. In this sense the term continental Europe (sometimes referred to in Britain as "the Continent") is used to refer to mainland Europe, excluding islands such as Great Britain, Ireland, Malta and Iceland.

But because: "A continent is one of several very large landmasses on Earth. Generally identified by convention rather than any strict criteria, up to seven regions are commonly regarded as continents." Europe often counted as separate continent, even if it does not have eastern coastline.
 
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maxsix said:
Let's be clear... I did not bring up Trump.
Nor do I advocate for him.

You may not have noticed that Tim Cook is heavily invested in Hillary and her agenda. It's the fashionable thing to do in Silicon Valley, Tims playground.
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Forgive me for thinking that the statements you made against Hillary were meant to support Trump, because if they were meant to support a 'third party candidate', then you are not paying attention. A third party candidate has about as much chance of winning this election as I have of being named Tim Cook's successor at Apple.

I have said that I would have a hard time voting for Hillary, warts and all, but seeing who she is running against, the LAST THING we need os an infant like Trump to get the office of President. Seriously.

And we don't appear to have any other choice. It's either act like an oustrich and vote for some third party candidate, or act like a total noob and vote for Mr Narcissist and hope your neck isn't going to be one of the ones on his chopping block, or vote for Hillary, and run for office yourself to try to take the DNC back from the Neoliberal Machine that owns it now.

Hillary is running because progressives have not made enough waves and gotten people like Steve Israel pushed out. FIGHT THE DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM, don't throw the country away, and this is a general statement for anyone wanting to read it.

And with that, I'm done...
 
BvizioN said:
Since you so good with "facts", here is one for you. UK is still EU until it have officially completed the exit.
But anyway, if you did care to read my comment above, I never claimed UK is EU. I said Europe, which for the ones who are mature enough to know one or 2 things about the world, is a continent and UK just happen to be in that continent ;)
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Here is a hint about mature posting, do not represent us Europeans by one of the states.....data protection and security varies country to country. Its arrogance to say Europeans take security as a joke cause you live in UK and that is your experience.

The law you quoted never passed.....IN UK....how does that stupid attempt by the government represent us EUROPEANS? Bash the UK mate, not Europe.
 
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Pakaku said:
Lowering the collective average of the ages of congress party members, by cutting the old and employing younger tech-savvier members, would be a good start.
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For Congress, maybe it would work, but, I see an alarming lack of interest in privacy and security among many young people. I'm going to speculate that it depends a lot more on personality and experience than it does age.
 
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BvizioN said:
Com on man, really? For something so basic that every child on the world ( well, almost) learn since the age of 7?? On what planet do you live? :)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continent
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At least read the article you link to. A continent is not a area that includes islaned mate....its basic definition is continuous landmass. You are thinking a continent is a geographical area the world is broken into....like the EU....

"The most restricted meaning of continent is that of a continuous[5] area of land or mainland, with the coastline and any land boundaries forming the edge of the continent. In this sense the term continental Europe (sometimes referred to in Britain as "the Continent") is used to refer to mainland Europe, excluding islands such as Great Britain, Ireland, Malta and Iceland, and the term continent of Australia may refer to the mainland of Australia, excluding Tasmania and New Guinea. Similarly, the continental United States refers to the 48 contiguous states in central North America and may include Alaska in the northwest of the continent (the two being separated by Canada), while excluding Hawaii in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. "

UK is considered part of Europe, but is not part of the European continent.....just like ICELAND.... Lets remove this continent talk. I was taught a continent is a continuous landmass, hence growing up in Australia, Tasmania is not part of the Australian continent itself, its an island.
 
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PinkyMacGodess said:
And we don't appear to have any other choice. It's either act like an oustrich and vote for some third party candidate, or act like a total noob and vote for Mr Narcissist and hope your neck isn't going to be one of the ones on his chopping block, or vote for Hillary, and run for office yourself to try to take the DNC back from the Neoliberal Machine that owns it now.
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Trump is making the status quo look really attractive right now. Besides, some woman had to be first, and, Hillary Clinton is perfect for the job, since she has been the lightning rod for anti-women paleo-conservatives since she first appeared on the scene. They have investigated her fruitlessly more times than anyone in political history. Right now, Judicial Watch is once again going crazy over Hillary, this time for access arrangements that pale in comparison to those the K Street GOP mob bragged about in 1995. Do I like the big money in politics? No. But, I greatly prefer it to a narcissistic, impulsive Franco-wannabe. I'm hoping for a few Constitutional Amendments after this:

1) Corporations are legal entities, not people
2) Campaign finance laws are constitutional
3) Equal Rights Amendment

I just wish Clinton really took the time to understand IT security better.
 
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jnpy!$4g3cwk said:
1) Corporations are legal entities, not people
2) Campaign finance laws are constitutional
3) Equal Rights Amendment
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I'd add: 4) Everyone's vote counts, and it's a national holiday, and voting is compulsory (required).

jnpy!$4g3cwk said:
I just wish Clinton really took the time to understand IT security better.
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ALL politicians need to get educated about the world we live in. When the republicans killed the science office, you knew what was going to happen and it has. We have had politicians comparing the internet to 'tubes', people! How much more stupid do they have to be!

The one that got me was when the house was debating a bill that would require everyone to go out and replace all of their players so that they could 'brand' the media to only be used in that player ever again. How ANYONE could think that sounded even close to being reasonable is totally beyond me.
 
ActionableMango said:
Britain rated worst in Europe for protecting privacy
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2007/dec/31/uk.eu

Joanna Cherry MP QC says UK surveillance powers have gone ‘further than any other Western democracy’
https://www.commonspace.scot/articl...have-gone-further-any-other-western-democracy
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OK - the first source is about surveillance cameras mostly, and privacy is not the same thing as data security in that data security is just one domain of privacy. Also the reference was with respect to Europe, not the US. Finally, to quote The Guardian article:

The US performed worst among democratic countries in terms of "statutory protections and privacy enforcement".​


The second source was the opinion of a politician about a surveillance bill. Since the article was not dated, I cannot be certain, but I think the article refers to a bill that was defeated in the UK Parliament. The new PM has talked of reintroducing it, but it has been made law.

FWIW, it like to see the UK back off surveillance and be more transparent, but claiming the UK is the worst is just plain silly.
 
VulchR said:
OK, so no doubt most of us are in agreement that providing back doors for NSA is self-defeating and silly. The question is how we get the message through to Congress....
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Pakaku said:
Lowering the collective average of the ages of congress party members, by cutting the old and employing younger tech-savvier members, would be a good start.
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I was going to say print news of the hack in Breitbart, but electing some tech savvy members sounds good too.

nt5672 said:
You could start by emailing your President, Senators, and Representatives, both local and federal.
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Email, right. By now they're all whispering to each other out at the edges of public parks.
 
LizKat said:
I was going to say print news of the hack in Breitbart, but electing some tech savvy members sounds good too.
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Getting unbiased and honest scientific information back into congress is going to be a great step, but wooing the politicians away from their money fix from industry is going to require something monumental. So ingrained is the politico/business connection, politicians have been caught distributing lobbyist checks ON THE FLOOR during congressional sessions.

Science is either right or wrong, and if it goes against a profitable corporation, well, that's the breaks. It doesn't make the science wrong, it makes the corporation a really bad investment.

Ignoring the very real threat to our country is tragic. I have played cat and mouse with Chinese hackers on my firewall here at home. IP Addresses picking, in real time, and I block them, and another address pops up from the same subnet, picking the same way.

I have blocked whole subnets from China, Vietnam, Korea, Russia, and some surprising countries too and have found out that part of some of the sites I visit have data passing through China. For all the addresses I saw picking away, the frightening part was the ones that I didn't see.

The threat is real. The threat isn't from one country. The Congress should be addressing it better, and more forcefully. Just taking a corporations opinion, and running with it, is disastrous.

But anyway...
 
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VulchR said:
The US performed worst among democratic countries in terms of "statutory protections and privacy enforcement".​
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I'm not trying to pick on the UK or pretend its better or worse than where I live, it's just that you specifically mentioned the UK and asked about it. I live in the USA and I could easily believe that we are the worst. :( But if you know about Five Eyes, you know you are in bed with us.

Nevertheless, I think it's getting out of hand everywhere in the free world and I worry that the surveillance state combined with whatever the "threat" of the decade is, is leading the free world ever further toward a police state. These tools don't seem too bad with the current people in charge. What happens when the people in charge are totalitarians? Do people believe that democracy makes that some sort of impossibility?
 
ActionableMango said:
I'm not trying to pick on the UK or pretend its better or worse than where I live, it's just that you specifically mentioned the UK and asked about it. I live in the USA and I could easily believe that we are the worst. :( But if you know about Five Eyes, you know you are in bed with us.

Nevertheless, I think it's getting out of hand everywhere in the free world and I worry that the surveillance state combined with whatever the "threat" of the decade is, is leading the free world ever further toward a police state. These tools don't seem too bad with the current people in charge. What happens when the people in charge are totalitarians? Do people believe that democracy makes that some sort of impossibility?
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I don't think we get to see the actual results of these tools in current hands. There are unspeakable war crimes we commit, or aid proxies in committing (look at Yemen currently) and you can bet that our intelligence agencies are assisting every step of the way. They've been unaccountable for decades, with the founder of the CIA (Allen Dulles) actively working on his own international agenda against the wishes of every president he ever served. I see no reason to believe that anything has changed, and frankly as technology has evolved I'd wager the abuses have only gotten worse.
 
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LizKat said:
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Email, right. By now they're all whispering to each other out at the edges of public parks.
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But some poor staffer has to go through the emails and categorize them. If enough people send email, they'll get the message. When nobody cares it allows our politicians to do what THEY want, when we show we care in numbers, they will listen.
 
The NSA has tech you never even fantasized about.
This stuff wasn't "stolen", and by Russia of all people! lol
No, this is some sort of decoy.
 
BvizioN said:
What? In the UK where the government wants to force tech companies to decrypt protected devices? Oh yeah, we take security and privacy very seriously. Same thing with the France.
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Oh, do you know about the French? Really? They have a slew of hacking companies on the government payroll ripping holes in everyone's tech and then basically blackmailing them with it.

....but I never said that... ;)

In a way paid "black hat groups" are good, but in a way, you wonder if a lot of these exploits would be found if so many resources weren't thrown at breaking them.
 
And checkout France and Germany!

They want to force back doors and 'decrypt buttons' in apps for 'law enforcement'.

Someone needs to read about COINTELPRO, and how the 'law enforcement' manufactured 'crimes' that you were proven 'guilty' of. It was the impetus for getting the heavy duty spy agencies out of domestic issues, and Bush wanted (and may have) cut their leash.

People that give away freedom and security for straw men hysteria deserve neither, to paraphrase that saying...

Who here would blindly support 'law enforcement'? Who here fully supports the government leafing through our underwear drawers?
 
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