Private Messaging Apps 'Scrambling' to Overhaul Software Following Apple Privacy Changes

[Heineken]

No, you're the one making allegations. You made the claim -- so let's see some evidence. What reason do you have to believe that Telegram violates users' privacy?

Everybody lies. Not the first time it happened, nor it will be the last.

 

[Nugget]

Everybody lies. Not the first time it happened, nor it will be the last.

OK, so "no reason." Got it.

 

[Heineken]

OK, so "no reason." Got it.

Everyone should be reasonably suspicious. Just because someone said or wrote something doesn’t make it true without a proper audit.

 

[Nugget]

Everyone should be reasonably suspicious. Just because someone said or wrote something doesn’t make it true without a proper audit.

The operative word here is "reasonably." That's not what you're doing here.

 

[Heineken]

The operative word here is "reasonably." That's not what you're doing here.

Not blindly believing what some company is saying is unreasonable? Just wow.

 

[Nugget]

Not blindly believing what some company is saying is unreasonable? Just wow.

How does telegram invade the privacy of their users? Be specific. This is something you believe. I’d like to know if this is a reasonable belief or not.

 

[lozion]

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[extrachrispy]

Read the article. Signal purposely did something the wrong way in order to steal your data and sell it to advertisers. They can still have an encrypted product by doing it the right way. Why is this so hard to understand?
I did have to laugh out loud when you said open source products are more "trustable" really? Hilarious.

What?!?!

I interviewed with Signal earlier this year. Your claim is false on its face. Not only do they not steal your data, they don't even retain your message history for cloud syncing. Once a message is delivered, it is deleted from Signal's servers. If your iPhone or Mac client isn't at least running in the background when the message is delivered, it will never receive it, period.

 

[Lalatoon]

The issue is the way Apple Fixed the API was to stop those that were stealing data. That was not Signal. Apple broke something else stopping the other bad players. The API was the only way to see encrypted messages being sent without opening apps. It's also the only way I can see a Signal message on my apple watch. Now developers have to code around it because there isn't a PushAPI that should be there.

This change makes all encrypted messengers unable to show messages on Apple Watch. That wasn't stealing data this problem is collateral damage. Everyone crying about its misuse of an API. It just means Apple crippled apps. The only fix is to now have all apps just say "new message" open app to view. That's stupid.

In this context this basically means that the iOS SDK is crippled. I havent tried developing iOS apps but this sounds like once an app receive an encrypted message and it is not running in foreground it can only send notification for the new message. It can not run a backgruond thread to decrypt it and display it in the notification. This means that users must open the app like Signal so that the app can start decrypting the message and displays it on the screen. If this is the case it will affect greatly multi-tasking because once an app is not in foreground it have very limited background capabilities when it comes to processing things. I guess this is the reason why I hear a lot of people complaining about iOS multi-tasking.

 

[lozion]

Any updates to this? For example will Whatsapp support the new APi?
will it support iPadOS?

 

[lozion]

Well, here we are its April..
whats the status now?