Problems adding bookmark

Discussion in 'macOS Sierra (10.12)' started by hagadol, Sep 14, 2016.

  1. hagadol macrumors newbie

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    I am using Sierra, I am on the beta program so have been using for a few weeks.



    Since updating to Sierra there is annoying option missing when trying to save a book mark in Safari.



    If I click Bookmarks / Add Bookmark In the Add This Page To box there is only an option to

    add to Favourites or to any of the previously created folders.



    I often like to add new bookmarks just to bookmarks so they are not in a folder just in the bookmarks list (which might be considered the top level folder).



    Currently am adding to Favourites and then moving it using my iPhone.



    Thanks in advance.
     
  2. grahamperrin macrumors 601

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    In the menu: somewhere below Favorites, you should see Bookmarks Menu. I see it here with Safari in release candidate build 16A319 of the OS.

    Hint

    When the menu is on screen, type boo
    … find-as-you-type will take you to, or near, the required menu item.
     
  3. hagadol thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Thanks for the reply, however I still cannot find it.

    When you write 'In the Menu' are you referring to the 'Add this page to' dialog box which has 'Favorites' as default ?

    If I click into the dialog box and type boo..... it does not come up.

    Please could you clarify.

    Thanks in advance.

    Screen Shot 2016-09-18 at 20.32.42.png
     
  4. grahamperrin macrumors 601

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    Thanks for the screen shot.

    Above the field, there's the menu where 'Favorites' is the currently selected menu option.

    Click there to reveal the menu, the list of menu options, and if you have many bookmarks then the list will be long. Within the list you should find 'Bookmarks Menu'; it has a distinctive icon.
     
  5. Ashka macrumors 6502a

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    If like me you have all your bookmarks in folders under Favourites the only real option is to make another folder as I have had to do for several years.
     
  6. hagadol thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Thats the problem - All my folders are listed in A/Z order but no Bookmarks Folder with unique icon.

    So the only possibility is to add to Favorites or one of the other folders I have previously created !
     
  7. grahamperrin macrumors 601

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    OK. That's either a bug or a problem with e.g. application support data.

    If you add a new OS user account then log in without using iCloud, then do you find the same problem with Safari?
     
  8. Feenician macrumors 601

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    I don't think this is correct. No Bookmarks folder in Sierra/Safari 10. Are you thinking of iOS? There's still a top level Bookmarks folder there. I have no issue with bookmarks either.
    --- Post Merged, Sep 18, 2016 ---
    As for the OP, I concur that the dialog you're showing has no way to manage folders. Seems there are 3 ways to do that at this point in time. Either use: -

    - Bookmarks -> Edit Bookmarks (Option + Command + B) to get a rather old school view of bookmarks. You can't actually add a new bookmark here though, only manage folder or delete existing ones

    - Bookmarks -> Add Folder. This just opens the Bookmarks Sidebar which I think is the real answer...

    - View -> bookmarks sidebar (Control + Command + 1). This is where I think they expect you to work with bookmarks now. You can add folders or manage any existing ones (delete, move, rename and so on), change hierarchy etc. and you can drag and drop from the URL bar to create a bookmark
     
  9. grahamperrin macrumors 601

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    You can. Drag from the smart search field.

    In the screen shot below the thing to be dragged is invisible; it becomes visible only when pointed at.

    smart search field above the Edit Bookmarks window.png

    No.

    Maybe the Bookmarks Menu item is present for me because it was present with something long before Sierra. I did allow iCloud to work with bookmarks.

    Add this page to Bookmarks Menu.png

    the bookmark in the Bookmarks menu.png
     
  10. Feenician macrumors 601

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    Now that you mention it I think I may have moved everything up to the top level and deleted my Bookmarks Folder a long time ago.
     
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    I've had the same issue as well as many, and I work in marketing for Apple. It's a bug. On iOS the Bookmarks Menu (default) works as it should - new Bookmarks from iOS display in macOS Safari as before. Yet that option is gone with Safari and Safari Technology Preview on macOS since beta 1 and is one of the reasons for additional GM releases. Many are working around it my creating a "Bookmarks" folder, then organizing bookmarks on their desktops.
     

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  12. Feenician macrumors 601

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    Serious question. Why would you need it at all? Isn't it a redundant top level?
     
  13. grahamperrin macrumors 601

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    Adding a bookmark to the Bookmarks Menu item does exactly the customer should expect:
    1. add the bookmark
    2. close the dialogue
    3. in the main menu bar of the operating system, click the Bookmarks menu of Safari
    4. the menu drops down
    5. within that menu, the required bookmark.
    Safari for Mac does still have a Bookmarks menu, so logically there is no redundancy.

    Critically: I no longer treat Apple's approach to software development as logical; and Safari became exemplary of the worst offences. The wrongness of pre-release Safari was the primary driver of my 2014 decision to abandon AppleSeed testing and more broadly, the Apple ecosystem. ​

    @Feenician don't take this personally.

    My scathing criticism of Apple for the past two years is a flip-side to the huge respect that was deservedly won by earlier software products from the company.

    @StarkerMann the linked post was disrespectful towards people in Apple marketing (and other areas). I should apologise for the over-generalisations; it's the type of thing that can be expected after Apple does things that cause dedicated, passionate customers/testers to think WTF? … if you'd like to respond in the linked topic – in a personal capacity – I'll respectfully alter my position.
     
  14. Feenician macrumors 601

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    OK, after around a minute trying to negotiate the garbage fire that is marking text in a webpage in iOS (It's been years. Will this ever be returned to a working state?) I managed to quote the bit I wanted.

    My point here is that a bookmarks folder at the top level containing all other bookmarks really adds nothing. It's a redundant layer of hierarchy, regardless of whether it's name matches the menu that accesses it. If they just renamed the menu favorites would you stop creating the folder? Might just be me, I tend to strive for flatness, as much as makes sense, when possible.

    No offence taken and none intended in this response or the previous one. I've come to enjoy yours and starkermann's take on things as, while I don't always agree by any means, I can at least see a thought process behind the viewpoint.
     
  15. grahamperrin, Sep 19, 2016
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    Reminding myself: throwaway comments such as "abandon AppleSeed testing" might be misunderstood. To clarify: the Seed Team was impeccable.​

    My bookmarks became messy masses of flatness years ago. Before that – the mess was not made by me – my bookmarking needs were best served by hierarchies.

    Personal preference aside: it seems that the Bookmarks menu is not redundant where, for example, a use case extends beyond Apple products. These screen shots show:
    1. my most recent addition to the top of the Bookmarks menu of Safari 9.1.3 (9537.86.7.8) in Mac OS X 10.9.5
    2. the additional item automatically presented at the top of the Bookmarks folder in the web interface to Xmarks
    3. the additional item automatically presented at the top of the Bookmarks menu of Firefox 47.0.1 on TrueOS Desktop.
    Safari 9.1.3.png

    Xmarks.png

    Firefox.png

    I understand that Xmarks is not for everyone. It was the best fit for my staged switch away from Apple's OS.
     
  16. hagadol thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Hey guys - Thanks for all the comments............All I want to be able to do is to bookmark a page without (always) putting it in a folder. Many times I might bookmark a page and the saved bookmark will be deleted very quickly, same day ! I don't need to be forced to decide which folder I need to file it in. Lets hope this is a bug which go away in a new release.

    In the meantime, I guess I will create a new folder to save anything I don't want to save to another folder to.

    Hope that all makes sense and a good week ahead to all.
     
  17. 32828870, Sep 19, 2016
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    Yup, that's the problem. In Safari for macOS 10.12, there is only a "Favorites" section and any folders you have created. There is no "default" "Bookmarks Menu" as there used to be and still is in iOS 10. The work around is to create a "Bookmark" folder to act as the "Bookmarks Menu" (which isn't a folder, it simply saves links at the bottom of your listed bookmark folders, etc.).

    It's an open and acknowledged bug with macOS 10.12 as many are experiencing this random issue. Odd enough that saving bookmarks in Safari for iOS 10 does have the "Bookmarks Menu" option which syncs properly in Safari for macOS 10.12, yet you cannot save bookmarks outside of a folder in Safari on macOS. The "Bookmark Menu" section is gone, leaving only "Favorites" and created folders to save bookmarks.
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    Oh no apologies necessary. I completely agree with you and many within Apple agree that Safari needs a lot of work, especially with bookmark management. iTunes is another that has become a bloated mess. There is ongoing work to separate iTunes by category, following the same direction as Photos and iBooks. iMovie would be reworked to incorporate the "Movies" and "TV Shows" store similar to iBooks. iTunes would return to managing music and apps with iSync updated as the syncing conduit. The underlying issue is how to incorporate such changes for Windows users as iTunes handles music and apps, leaving Outlook for mail, contacts, and calendars and photo syncing with folders. Windows versions of iMovie, iBooks, and Photos would have to be developed along with iSync which would replace the Windows iCloud Panel. Outlook could still handle Mail, Contacts, and Calendars, with a Windows version of a new iTunes. So there's work behind the scenes on those possibilities especially as Windows versions would come at a reasonable price.

    Working for a tech company such as Apple is a lot less strict than some assume. It's a much more relaxed environment with 24/7 dining (the food is excellent and unlimited espresso keeps everyone working), fully stocked bars, pools, gyms, volley ball courts, even sleeping area's and dressing rooms foster a sense of belonging and community, creating a "home" environment which is exactly the point. I/O Psych - keep employees happy and working hard with legal addictive stimulants and services that temp many to stay, especially in Cupertino as the commute is hell. Everyone is encouraged to speak their minds, which created quite a divide during Forstall years post-Jobs.

    I highly recommend submitting your opinion(s) and idea(s) via our feedback options as they are taken seriously.

    There is a renewed sense of hope that leadership is making better decisions (although agreeing to sell "beats" in order to acquire record labels for "Apple Music" was a mistake). We love Angela Ahrendts and now that she and Ive have finished two years worth of work on revamping retail stores she'll have a more prominent role and presence. She's very down to earth, has great idea's similar to Jobs (as CEO of Burberry she thought of a mirror that can show clients wearing garments they hold up) and much more, including breaking the wall between corporate and retail. She's direct without the borderline personality aspects of Jobs while adding a much needed presence.

    Ahrendts and others coming aboard will begin participating in Keynotes as they have the presence similar to Jobs that is currently sorely lacking. The current leadership (with the exception of Ive and a few others) is resting on their laurels yet are realizing that tech changes so quickly they need to adapt instead of throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks. Jobs was perfect in seeing the bigger picture and focusing on a specific segment and idea's that would fulfill a need or improve on already developed systems and rarely considered profits. Jobs focused on idea's that impassioned him, not fragmenting product lines for profits sake. Jobs' ideas, focus, perfectionism, not shying away from cutting projects to focus on better ones, and high standards in "getting it right". Apple needs that focus again and now that Intel is finally improving development along with Apple, Mac's and displays will have the attention they deserve.
     
  18. grahamperrin, Sep 19, 2016
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    @StarkerMann thank you for a most enlightening … possibly the most enlightening Apple-related post that I have read in over two years.

    This resonates – "… Jobs was perfect in seeing the bigger picture and focusing on a specific segment and idea's that would fulfill a need or improve on …" – not because it mentions the magic word Jobs, but because it sort of meshes with my past observations that (with Yosemite) Apple no longer had a single, shared vision for OS X.

    PS

    It can be done – here, in the sidebar to the left, are four bookmarks that I saved, in those positions (outside folders) with Safari 10.0 (12602.1.50.0.8) in build 16A319 of the OS:
    bookmarks created outside folders.png

    Hint: Reach for the Invisible
     
  19. hagadol thread starter macrumors newbie

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    StarkerMann - There is no "default" "Bookmarks Menu" as there used to be and still is in iOS 10. The work around is to create a "Bookmark" folder to act as the "Bookmarks Menu" (which isn't a folder, it simply saves links at the bottom of your listed bookmark folders, etc.).

    How do you do that ?
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    GrahamPrerrin - It can be done – here, in the sidebar to the left, are four bookmarks that I saved, in those positions (outside folders) with Safari 10.0 (12602.1.50.0.8) in build 16A319 of the OS:

    How did you do it ?
     
  20. grahamperrin macrumors 601

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    Hint: Reach for the Invisible
    1. load the page to be bookmarked
    2. Bookmarks menu
    3. Edit Bookmarks
    4. move the pointer to, but do not click, the smart search field
    5. a previously invisible add/plus '+' icon will appear
    6. point at, but do not click, the icon
    7. ignore the invitation to Add page to Reading List
    8. move the pointer far enough to the right to be over the address or domain of the page
    9. click and hold
    10. drag to the required position in your list of bookmarks
    11. drop.
    Steps 5, 6 and 7 are not an integral part of the routine but if you include those three steps when doing this for the first time, those three may help you to remember that to add a bookmark, when the list of bookmarks is on screen, you must not click the 'add' icon.
     
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    Do you care to share a video or set of screenshots showing how you got those steps to work? I've tried them several times and it didn't correct the problem. Thank you!
     
  23. canuckRus macrumors 6502

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    BINGO (the keys to success) Grateful to find this old post. This (Sierra) upgrade has several faults, sadly.
     

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