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One point I see mentioned by a lot of people: "The G4 has a lot of life left in it."
Well of course it does! But how does this conclusively PROVE that there won't be a G5? If and when the G5 comes out, the G4 will still be there, with the other product lines. That is where its "long life" should be attributed to. The logic that we haven't heard any conclusive proof doesn't prove much. If you look at all these sites (like the Register), and people hearing mutterings from Steve himself at MWNY 2001, from strange product launches happening in July (apparently Adaptec is coming out with a Mac OSX PCI/PCI-X card), overseas mutterings about this and that, there seems to be something about G4's.... and G5's.
I think that if indeed the G5 was rolling out soon, there would be the largest anti-information campaign by Apple. They simply wouldn't let anyone anywhere say anything. They certainly are getting better at controlling leaks (ie nobody knew about the iMac/enclosure/G4 until Time blew it). Hell, I could see them giving disinformation, they're so damn secretive.
So my whole point is this: The G4 is going to be around a long time, even after the G5 is released.
Well of course it does! But how does this conclusively PROVE that there won't be a G5? If and when the G5 comes out, the G4 will still be there, with the other product lines. That is where its "long life" should be attributed to. The logic that we haven't heard any conclusive proof doesn't prove much. If you look at all these sites (like the Register), and people hearing mutterings from Steve himself at MWNY 2001, from strange product launches happening in July (apparently Adaptec is coming out with a Mac OSX PCI/PCI-X card), overseas mutterings about this and that, there seems to be something about G4's.... and G5's.
I think that if indeed the G5 was rolling out soon, there would be the largest anti-information campaign by Apple. They simply wouldn't let anyone anywhere say anything. They certainly are getting better at controlling leaks (ie nobody knew about the iMac/enclosure/G4 until Time blew it). Hell, I could see them giving disinformation, they're so damn secretive.
So my whole point is this: The G4 is going to be around a long time, even after the G5 is released.
Now, here is where we diverge. I work with a PowerMac 400, a PowerMac Dual-450, and two iMacs at work (my PowerMac 400 is my main workstation). At home, I have an iMac DV 400.
The funny thing is, I find that my iMac DV 400 is actually fast. It handles everything I do just fine (and I am usually running iTunes, Internet Explorer, Microsoft Word, etc.). I even play a few games on it. And, I think that OS X runs well.
So, for you to complain about the speed of the FP iMac is a little over my head, for the fastest Macs that I've ever worked with are my FP iMac, that dual-450, and a 733DA.
The funny thing is, I find that my iMac DV 400 is actually fast. It handles everything I do just fine (and I am usually running iTunes, Internet Explorer, Microsoft Word, etc.). I even play a few games on it. And, I think that OS X runs well.
So, for you to complain about the speed of the FP iMac is a little over my head, for the fastest Macs that I've ever worked with are my FP iMac, that dual-450, and a 733DA.
rice-
I work on a G4/400 a home and an ibook/500 dual usb at work. I've played with tons of Macs on X, iMac FP's, dual 533 towers, dual 800's and others. I've worked with many apps and can say the bus speed is a HUGE factor in saying the iMac is slow. Try doing 3-4 things at once and the slow bus speed really drags the system down. the 133mhz bus make a big difference, and a double pumped 133 bus (DDR2100) should make an even bigger difference. Of course a PC2500 bus would be even nicer, but we can't have everything now can we?
I work on a G4/400 a home and an ibook/500 dual usb at work. I've played with tons of Macs on X, iMac FP's, dual 533 towers, dual 800's and others. I've worked with many apps and can say the bus speed is a HUGE factor in saying the iMac is slow. Try doing 3-4 things at once and the slow bus speed really drags the system down. the 133mhz bus make a big difference, and a double pumped 133 bus (DDR2100) should make an even bigger difference. Of course a PC2500 bus would be even nicer, but we can't have everything now can we?
DDR alone only adds about a 10% increase on most tasks (this based on using Intel and AMD computers with and without DDR).
So, an increase in bus speed and DDR would make a killer computer (or at least a killer Mac)
So, an increase in bus speed and DDR would make a killer computer (or at least a killer Mac)
For those not well versed in French (that includes me), here is a rough translation of what the people said in French:
Qu'est-ce passe avec toi? Ou a tu trouver ce nouveau chose? Il'a pas une personne ici qui pense comme toi. Dit moi ton raison pour cette idee! Porquoi tu dit que le G4 son passe? Moi j'ai penser que ce possible mais je prier toi pour une raison. Une bonne raison, s'il vous plait! Alors bonne chance et welcome to macrumors, mon ami.
What is happening with you? Or do you have to find this new thing? It has not a person here that thinks as you. I say, what is your reason for this idea! Maybe you say that the G4 passes his? I have to think that this one is possible but I to pray you for a reason. A good reason, please! Then good luck and welcome to macrumors, my friend.
Mais, non, Français est bon aussi! Je parle un peu de Français. Pendant le vacances, je vais oublier.
But, no, French is good also! I speak a little French. During the vacation, I will forget it.
Qu'est-ce passe avec toi? Ou a tu trouver ce nouveau chose? Il'a pas une personne ici qui pense comme toi. Dit moi ton raison pour cette idee! Porquoi tu dit que le G4 son passe? Moi j'ai penser que ce possible mais je prier toi pour une raison. Une bonne raison, s'il vous plait! Alors bonne chance et welcome to macrumors, mon ami.
What is happening with you? Or do you have to find this new thing? It has not a person here that thinks as you. I say, what is your reason for this idea! Maybe you say that the G4 passes his? I have to think that this one is possible but I to pray you for a reason. A good reason, please! Then good luck and welcome to macrumors, my friend.
Mais, non, Français est bon aussi! Je parle un peu de Français. Pendant le vacances, je vais oublier.
But, no, French is good also! I speak a little French. During the vacation, I will forget it.
Rice:
I think you're talking about the PPC 7470:
"...According to Motorola sources, a tweaked version of the Apollo 7450 G4, the 7470, will be ready for volume production shortly after the end of Q2, in time for a summer ramp. The 7470 will be manufactured on a 0.13 micron process, allowing for a smaller die size with room for 512K of L2 cache, and support up to 4MB of DDR-SDRAM L3 cache.
The 7470 supports a modified bus protocol, MPX+, which supports double data transfer and which should effectively run at 266Mhz according to sources.
The MPX+ bus retains MPX's 36-bit addressing lines, and is described as an interim measure. Don't expect dramatic leaps in SMP scaling - two will remain the sweet spot. The 7470 should scale to 1.5GHz. In parallel development, Motorola is priming a cut-down 7470, labelled the 7460, which doesn't support L3 cache..."
... as seen on The Register: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/archive/24018.html
This was the report which also mentions the PPC 7500 (the first possible G5 contender...)
I think you're talking about the PPC 7470:
"...According to Motorola sources, a tweaked version of the Apollo 7450 G4, the 7470, will be ready for volume production shortly after the end of Q2, in time for a summer ramp. The 7470 will be manufactured on a 0.13 micron process, allowing for a smaller die size with room for 512K of L2 cache, and support up to 4MB of DDR-SDRAM L3 cache.
The 7470 supports a modified bus protocol, MPX+, which supports double data transfer and which should effectively run at 266Mhz according to sources.
The MPX+ bus retains MPX's 36-bit addressing lines, and is described as an interim measure. Don't expect dramatic leaps in SMP scaling - two will remain the sweet spot. The 7470 should scale to 1.5GHz. In parallel development, Motorola is priming a cut-down 7470, labelled the 7460, which doesn't support L3 cache..."
... as seen on The Register: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/archive/24018.html
This was the report which also mentions the PPC 7500 (the first possible G5 contender...)
Is it that easy to change the pipeline depth on a microprocessor. As I understand the G4 started off with a 5 stage pipeling then went on to 7 and is now rumored to up it to 12. I thought changing the pipeline depth required radical redesign of the chip. And I never really understood what Mot meant by G4 having a lot of life left. Do they mean the G4 can scale well. If that is the case why are they increasing pipeline depth?
Certainly confusing.
Certainly confusing.
Pour Grokgod et les autres
Salut à toi mon ami, et merci de me repondre en Francais.
Je ne dis pas que le G5 sera présent en Juillet, mais juste que Apple a prévenu ses applecenter en france que les G4 professionnels sont arrétés de fabrication dès cette été, cela voudrait donc dire qu'une nouvelle machine avec un nouveau design doit faire sont apparition bientôt avec certainement un G4 mais j'aimerai réver à un G5.
A bientôt et que le Mac soit avec toi
Salut à toi mon ami, et merci de me repondre en Francais.
Je ne dis pas que le G5 sera présent en Juillet, mais juste que Apple a prévenu ses applecenter en france que les G4 professionnels sont arrétés de fabrication dès cette été, cela voudrait donc dire qu'une nouvelle machine avec un nouveau design doit faire sont apparition bientôt avec certainement un G4 mais j'aimerai réver à un G5.
A bientôt et que le Mac soit avec toi
Re: Pour Grokgod et les autres
Is a little english language out of the question? it would be nice to be able to read your post.
Re: Re: Pour Grokgod et les autres
Safety with you my friend, and thank you to answer me in French. I do not say that G5 will be present in July, but just that APPLE prevented its applecenter in France which G4 professionals are arrétés of manufacture as of this summer, that would like to thus say that a new machine with a new design must make are appearance soon with certainly G4 but I will like réver in G5. So long and that Mac is with you
Thanks to Google for that half-arsed translation
Originally posted by verbose101
Is a little english language out of the question? it would be nice to be able to read your post.
Safety with you my friend, and thank you to answer me in French. I do not say that G5 will be present in July, but just that APPLE prevented its applecenter in France which G4 professionals are arrétés of manufacture as of this summer, that would like to thus say that a new machine with a new design must make are appearance soon with certainly G4 but I will like réver in G5. So long and that Mac is with you
Thanks to Google for that half-arsed translation
Originally posted by madamimadamtimallen
Thanks to Google for that half-arsed translation
Half-arsed is putting it lightly...that's why I use BabelFish!
And Alphatech has already reminded a few people (including myself) to get back to English. If need be I will use BabelFish to translate your ashes to English, then fire back in a French translation.
However, I don't need Babelfish for Spanish.
Just get back to English. It won't kill you.
Re: Pour Grokgod et les autres
Bablefish's SO much better translation:
Hello with you my friend, and thank you to answer me in French. I do not say that G5 will be present in July, but just that APPLE prevented its applecenter in France which G4 professionals are arrétés of manufacture as of this summer, that would like to thus say that a new machine with a new design must make are appearance soon with certainly G4 but I will like réver in G5. So long and that Mac is with you
Bablefish's SO much better translation:
Hello with you my friend, and thank you to answer me in French. I do not say that G5 will be present in July, but just that APPLE prevented its applecenter in France which G4 professionals are arrétés of manufacture as of this summer, that would like to thus say that a new machine with a new design must make are appearance soon with certainly G4 but I will like réver in G5. So long and that Mac is with you