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Professionals Complaining about Glossy... Why? (please read!)

I bought my mbp three years ago with a matte display because I do a lot of graphic work, publishing work and software development work. The glare was tough to deal with when doing this kind of work.
Sure the screen looks nice, but the glare was bad. Now it seems we do not have a choice with the new mbp. This looks like a step backward.
 
sinser said:
For me it's not about color accuracy, it's about ergonomics. I don't want to suffer headaches more than I already do for my own reasons.


Please sign here:


http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/matte-macbook-pro
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I was going to sign the petition even though I'm rather indifferent to the matte/glossy debate I always think options are a good thing, but then they wanted a donation (no I can't afford even a $2 donation at this point in time) I think that will serious hinder your cause.
 
pdxflint said:
Timor... who cares? It's a great argument that won't convince anyone to change how they respond to glossy vs matte. It's ultimately not about color accuracy, but about reflections and eyestrain.
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The title of this thread was "Professionals complaining". If any "gprahic" professional works "professionally" on graphics while in bad lighting conditions he ought to change the conditions, not the screen. Professional know about that. Just to clarify that, I'm no glossy lover myself, nor am I a matte lover though, I prefer the golden middle of semi-matte/glossy.

Well, there are other types of "professionals" who very understandably will prefer a matte. For example, I'm a musician: Will the reflective glass screen work on stage when bright spotlights are directed at it from behind (an unfortunately setup on many stages, while in a perfect world the light should come from the front)?

On the other hand if the screen allows for enough brightness to compensate for bright enviromental lighting then it really doesn't matter anymore (eventhough on stage you usually don't want to be standing in the spotlight of your laptop :cool:).

BTW: That crap covered screen (dust?? Wow :eek:) sure doesn't even begin to illustrate your point about matte screens. It just looks like someone's really has a dusty house. Sorry...:eek:
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It demonstrates well enough how sandpaper-like rough surface of matte screens tend to show more of the panel surface in bright light than of the actual screen image unless you can compensate with enough brightness. Good implemented glossy screens (which comes at a cost) try to diffract incoming light into the panel instead of reflecting it back at you using the same principles you see on water surfaces: depending on the angle and colors (frequency) the light may either reflect back from the surface or you may see through. Beside, rough matte surfaces also have more outstanding surface area and thus more area to catch outside light and reflect it away from many different angles.

Here is a picture demonstrating again how on matte surface much more screen estate (area) is affected by reflections and you tend to see more of the panel surface than what's behind the panel glass/plastic.

semivsmattewh9.jpg


That's also the reason for worse black levels on matte screens.

semivsmatteblackyi9.jpg
 
magallanes said:
eh?:confused:

My mbp show white as white and not a yellowish color showed in this picture.
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That's because the "color-teint" on a photo solely depends on what color-temperature (whitepoint) setting the camera used when doing the shot (or post-production work). Especially when using automatic setting on the camera (mostly a default) it also depends alot on which white area on a photo is the most dominating and thus affecting the automatic decision.

Not to mention that this photo looks completely different on every watching user's monitor depending on that monitors setting as well. Those around with colder whitepoint settings on their own display wont find it that much yellow teinted. But this is getting too far here, because there don't seem too many graphic-professionals around in this thread anyway.
 
bushbaby said:
You mean you haven't seen it yet?

This new screen isn't glossy. It's glassy.

Like a mirror.

Now it will be good to hear from people using 3rd party film overlays to see how they work. But it is just plain silly the way it is now unless you work in a totally blackened room.
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yer comment just made me think "hey... like a tv! how many people whine about reflections on their brand new lcd tvs?!"
you know, where you CANT really adjust the angle well
you just stop noticing it!
 
MasterNile said:
I was going to sign the petition even though I'm rather indifferent to the matte/glossy debate I always think options are a good thing, but then they wanted a donation (no I can't afford even a $2 donation at this point in time) I think that will serious hinder your cause.
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Yo don't need to make the donation! You can skip it. It something that appears after you sign the petition, so I guess you've already done it :)
 
i forgot to tell you, when complained about the screen glare in the apple centre london the advisor recommended to get a 3m anti-glare cover. which apparently doesnt help that much according to people on this forum...
 
Nuff said

This is what I'll be using in the field. I'll wait it out for the new, not updated, 17" ... matte screen or not. Not sure if Lowepro has a model with the sleeve and hood for the 17" yet. Otherwise, I'll have to make do with their other backpacks without the hood gear.
 

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sinser said:
For me it's not about color accuracy, it's about ergonomics. I don't want to suffer headaches more than I already do for my own reasons.


Please sign here:


http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/matte-macbook-pro
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A petition ??? Guys you are ridiculous. Do you think that Apple gives a sh*** about a online petition with 200 signatures. Seriously. Apple is not dumb. I guess they discussed the gloss/matte question and made their decision, that's all. Take it or leave it.
 
Tex-Twil said:
Take it or leave it.
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It seems quite a few people will leave it.

Seriously - are you so pig ignorant as to think that EVERYONE must like what Apple purchases. Can no one want the machine, but with an option that was previously available? Must we all sign up to think like SJ and be part of the Apple borg-cube?

Seriously - a lot of people are clearly very put out by some of the decisions made. They want one of these new machines, but they want them on their terms. They should be able to say so, here of all places.

Doug
 
djellison said:
It seems quite a few people will leave it.
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Apparently too few for Apple to notice, plus you forget how many new people will switch from pc to mac (which will more than compensate those who are unhappy with the "glossy" screen).

All in all, this discussion will eventually die out.

Don't get me wrong though, I love matte screens, I just think this whole issue is too overblown and is getting out of hand. Especially on these forums.
 
Bah, I'm sick of hearing all this arguing over a closed issue. They ditched the matte screen, I'm sure they had many in-depth meetings about this decision and I'm sure it doesn't hurt their sales. /thread
 
eGraeme said:
yer comment just made me think "hey... like a tv! how many people whine about reflections on their brand new lcd tvs?!"
you know, where you CANT really adjust the angle well
you just stop noticing it!
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Yes - exactly - like hitting yourself in the head with a hammer over and over - at some point you just don't notice it :rolleyes:
 
I've had a glossy screen for 2 years now, and until Tuesday I didn't even notice the reflections in my screen - now I know they're there, and it still doesn't affect anything really, I have to focus my eyes on the reflections for them to be noticeable...
 
NJPitcher said:
I've had a glossy screen for 2 years now, and until Tuesday I didn't even notice the reflections in my screen - now I know they're there, and it still doesn't affect anything really, I have to focus my eyes on the reflections for them to be noticeable...
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Have you seen the brand new mbp screen?

It is not glossy, it's glassy. Big difference.
 
volcom883 said:
my question remains the following: how come all the apple engineers decided to bring out this kind of screen? "they must have their reason for it" replied the advisor in the apple centre london when asked about the glossy screen.
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the reason was stated in the long video for the Macbook (http://www.apple.com/macbook/ then click on "watch the video".

Using glass edge-to-edge allows them to have a very solid lid. Without it, you have to have a bezel, which can't tie the edges together (won't take compression).

Matte screens don't have an additional glass piece over them as does the new MBP.

A solution that they didn't choose was to offer both a glossy and a matte piece of glass over the front.

I wonder how long it will take for someone to pull the glass out of their new MBP and bring it to someone to have it etched to a matte finish... and I wonder if it would work at all or it would totally screw up the clarity. I bet the latter, as the matte surface would be too far away from the LCD surface (think: privacy glass in a bathroom, it blurs things at a distance but items close to the glass are clearer)
 
bplein said:
the reason was stated in the long video for the Macbook (http://www.apple.com/macbook/ then click on "watch the video".

Using glass edge-to-edge allows them to have a very solid lid. Without it, you have to have a bezel, which can't tie the edges together (won't take compression).

Matte screens don't have an additional glass piece over them as does the new MBP.

A solution that they didn't choose was to offer both a glossy and a matte piece of glass over the front.

I wonder how long it will take for someone to pull the glass out of their new MBP and bring it to someone to have it etched to a matte finish... and I wonder if it would work at all or it would totally screw up the clarity. I bet the latter, as the matte surface would be too far away from the LCD surface (think: privacy glass in a bathroom, it blurs things at a distance but items close to the glass are clearer)
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All the real professionals I know have been buying the new MBP and having "the guy" replace it with frosted shower glass. It helps make pictures super smooth. Sometimes you can even tell whats on the other side.
 
volcom883 said:
my question remains the following: how come all the apple engineers decided to bring out this kind of screen? "they must have their reason for it" replied the advisor in the apple centre london when asked about the glossy screen.
exactly they must have a reason. but then cant 50% of people notice that the new apple screens are actually much shinier than other laptops on the market(am i wrong?)
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Don't blame the engineers, but the marketer(s) and designer(s) which is/are calling the shots at Apple.
 
i walked in the apple store london for the last time this afternoon in hope that by spending more time on the MBP i would not see or notice the reflection... but i honestly cant live with it.
i got a 4 years old vaio laptop. just ordered some extra ram for it. if there is no MBP with matte option till the next announcement im gonna get another windows laptop.
 
The MacBook 'Pro' just doesn't seem to be aimed at 'Pros' anymore.

And for the comments about the the glass needing to be there to help the structure of the lid, well I'm sure they could have a aluminum bezel of something, this is suppose to be a pro product, it doesn't have to follow the rest of the Apple 'consumer' line, but it is, which is worrying.

I hate to think what is going to happen to the cinema displays...
 
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