Proton Launches End-to-End Encrypted Alternative to Google Docs

[socialwill]

I know it is not in the cards, but it seems like they might need a larger partner say a Zoom or someone for meetings? Then you would start to have something that small businesses or individuals would use going forward?

 

[Danilamak]

Well, Proton grew pleasantly in their services, but is it a little bit against their idea of secure experience for users?

They store yours: mail, files, docs and maybe can see VPN traffic. What’s the point?

 

[scorpio vega]

Proton is great, good to see it getting promoted. I’ve started hearing more people using it just in the field I work in. It’s time people stopped letting their email providers have their sticky fingers all over their inbox.

I mean many of us aren’t that paranoid this. Especially when half of y’all use google or chrome still.

That said proton is very good

 

[Apple_Robert]

Well, Proton grew pleasantly in their services, but is it a little bit against their idea of secure experience for users?

They store yours: mail, files, docs and maybe can see VPN traffic. What’s the point?

What is the point of your post? How is growing a business that still offers E2E services against their idea of secure user experience?

 

[scorpio vega]

n you even make an iCloud account if you don't have an Apple device

Yes you can make an iCloud account without an apple Device

Google docs has the nice advantage of being accessible on everything, from MacBooks to Samsung smart fridges.

A major disadvantage is that it is google

The Appleverse is only really nice if your entire social sphere is within it, and that's not always a guarantee.

Hence why I only collaborate with apple users or Microsoft products.

 

[StellarVixen]

Pages on Mac is actually good now, so I’ll pass for now. Might give it a shot on my Linux machine though

 

[sneak3]

I use Tuta for regular personal and official stuff which public services have to keep anyway, and I use Proton for stuff I can drop in a heartbeat.

hmm that makes no sense. tuta is under german LMAO law. have you seen the news recently? germany as a whole is having its institutions run down, many ridiculous precedents from judicial system are being set, from all types of domains. it’s just a matter of time until a random judge and a communo-collectivist-panel decide their way is the only way and tuta cant do ****.

 

[now i see it]

The purpose of proton encrypted email isn’t to prevent handing over data to law enforcement, it’s to keep hackers at bay.
Anyone remember Yahoo mail?

 

[Jay Tee]

Despite they warranted not to, they logged users of their mail service, and only removed the warranty AFTER they submitted their logs to the courts.

I wouldn`t and don`t trust them with anything whatsoever sensitive be it personal or business to me/you/anyone.

The only one who stood by his word was Ladar Levison of Lavabit, and possibly SilentCircle. You need to suit-up in this high stakes game of TNO privacy.

 

[txscott]

”That works fine and dandy until you need to collaborate with someone on a document for whatever reason. The Appleverse is only really nice if your entire social sphere is within it, and that's not always a guarantee.

Google docs has the nice advantage of being accessible on everything, from MacBooks to Samsung smart fridges.”

I don’t collaborate with people on spreadsheets or documents. My work is my work. I send you the work after it is complete. And I don’t send stuff to random people whose requirements for receiving data I don’t know. ZERO of the files in Google Drive are end to encrypted. ALL of the files in iCloud can be end to end encrypted.

All of this easy sharing of files is fine for Book Club and social groups, but wholly insufficient otherwise.

 

[Aka757]

”That works fine and dandy until you need to collaborate with someone on a document for whatever reason. The Appleverse is only really nice if your entire social sphere is within it, and that's not always a guarantee.

Google docs has the nice advantage of being accessible on everything, from MacBooks to Samsung smart fridges.”

I don’t collaborate with people on spreadsheets or documents. My work is my work. I send you the work after it is complete. And I don’t send stuff to random people whose requirements for receiving data I don’t know. ZERO of the files in Google Drive are end to encrypted. ALL of the files in iCloud can be end to end encrypted.

All of this easy sharing of files is fine for Book Club and social groups, but wholly insufficient otherwise.

That’s great That iCloud works for you! It’s my personal solution as well. Google is great for collaboration, and used as an enterprise-level solution by several Fortune 500 companies; pretty sure if you ask me (even if it doesn’t have E2E encryption). But that’s the beauty of having choices: no one is forced to use a product / service they like! Different services serve different uses and users.

 

[Chungry]

Ah yes Proton. Depends on what your definition of “logging is”. They can, will and have turned over data to authorities. The whole thing was a political stunt and the court order was an oddity considering they could have easily said kick rocks to that request. So it begs the questions of who and how much. I see folks defending their decision but if you were there as it played out it would have left a bad taste in your mouth.

 

[svish]

Looks good. Will try this out.

 

[MacBH928]

I don't get this collaboration since in the end everything must be MS Office compatible DOCX format. In any case, if you are looking to abandon the abusive Google business model there is also:

OnlyOffice, LibreOffice, CryptPad, Collabora, NextCloud

 

[Tago]

hmm that makes no sense. tuta is under german LMAO law. have you seen the news recently? germany as a whole is having its institutions run down, many ridiculous precedents from judicial system are being set, from all types of domains. it’s just a matter of time until a random judge and a communo-collectivist-panel decide their way is the only way and tuta cant do ****.

The only one who stood by his word was Ladar Levison of Lavabit, and possibly SilentCircle. You need to suit-up in this high stakes game of TNO privacy.

The main problem isn`t really what is technically possible, when they have to go through courts it is an indication of the quality of technical security. In my opinion the main problem is that vast numbers of users really don`t care because they don`t understand why it is important. That leaves those who care in a minority position.

One just have to relate to how it is and get on with it. What will get people into trouble is beliving they have a privacy/security that doesn`t exist. If people assume they don`t have it, that`s a security level in it`s own right.

Naivité have negative consequences, but it helps catching some true criminals too 🤣

 

[d3vilsadvocate]

I'm no longer using proton stuff. Their development cycles are wayyyy too long and the apps they provide often buggy and extremely limited in functionality. Their storage solution has been in beta for over a year, is barely functional and receives very few updates (sometimes there is like 6 months between updates... for a beta product!). I tried that several times and it's just terrible.

My expectations for this are just extremely limited. I do not like the fact that proton is focusing on so many products instead of just 1 or 2...

 

[Jay Tee]

I'm no longer using proton stuff. Their development cycles are wayyyy too long and the apps they provide often buggy and extremely limited in functionality. Their storage solution has been in beta for over a year, is barely functional and receives very few updates (sometimes there is like 6 months between updates... for a beta product!). I tried that several times and it's just terrible.

My expectations for this are just extremely limited. I do not like the fact that proton is focusing on so many products instead of just 1 or 2...

Never trusted them from the beginning; heard nothing to change my mind ever since.

 

[edubfromktown]

What’s so strong about Google Suite is the fact it is a combination of many things;

• set up organizations, groups, permissions, et cetera
• mail
• docs
• slides
• sheets
• files
• A scripting language that can be integrated with many of the apps.

If Proton would offer a whole bunch of services then it becomes ideal for companies to move to Proton.
Just documents and files isn’t enough.

+1 for Google Suite

I added Google Advanced Protection Program (dual FIDO2 hardware tokens)

Sync Apple Contacts to my Google account

WireGuard VPN

Raspberry Pi Connect to remotely connect to RPi 4b and RPi 5 desktops

Samsung Secure Folder (separate encrypted container) on my mobile phone to sandbox all financial and other Android apps that access/store sensitive data. Google Files currently offers Safe Folder. Google may be releasing expanded functionality (Similar to Secure Folder) in Android 15 from what I've read.