As it should be. Personal is personal. Period nothing more, nothing less. Done with all this profiling and data capture. What I'll know and do know is I will block them all on macOS & W10/W11...
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ProtonMail - why use it? [MERGED]
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Here is a story about Proton Mail you might find interesting:
ProtonMail logged IP address of French activist after order by Swiss authorities | TechCrunch
ProtonMail, a hosted email service with a focus on end-to-end encrypted communications, has been facing criticism after a police report showed that French
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I'm aware it, and yet the french authorities were unable to gain anything since the data was encrypted.Here is a story about Proton Mail you might find interesting:
ProtonMail logged IP address of French activist after order by Swiss authorities | TechCrunch
ProtonMail, a hosted email service with a focus on end-to-end encrypted communications, has been facing criticism after a police report showed that French
They were able to gain the indentiy of the user, correct?
I trust Tutanota more than Proton.
Security at Tuta | Tuta
Tuta combines security with ease of use so that you can keep your mailbox safe from attacks easily. Find out how Tuta secures all your emails and contacts on the Tuta security site.
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Man all this talk about encoring your email I did this back in Zeros with a Mail plugin the encrypted the email and then a public key was used on his end to decrypt the email! It was great test but is no longer supported anymore!
My perspective is that I want a privacy minded company that does a great job at managing spam and unwanted emails that offers some nice services. For me, ProtonMail (so far) does this very well. I like the idea that my emails are encrypted on the server, but how I use emall, I don't need it encrypted to the recipient and send him/her a password to read it.
iCloud isn't a bad service but I have less control over spam and I'm getting too many emails in my inbox that are clearly spam, phishing and scams. Some of them that are making it through are mass emails to my .me account, with hundreds of other .me people included in the to line. I'm not sure why apple didn't stop that, it was quite evident.
Privacy is an ever diminishing factor on the web due to the greed of companies. Proton stands out as they offer both free and paid services.
Proton is a privacy minded company as is my VPN. While the vast majority of people dont care or are simply not aware. I for one personally very much value privacy and I'm willing to pay for such services and to date they have yet to fail...
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As former network administrator iCloud has ups and downs! sometimes it seems people in apple especially developers seem not to talk with each other and sometimes they screw things up with iCloud! The reason why I like iCloud is a usr can use now their own personal email as an alias and supported my experiment with securing email with friend the send encrypted email to each other using the private/puplic encryption service back in zeros! That really surprised me at that time!
Proton may be privacy-minded, but it surely seems as if Tutanota put more thought into the process. Proton’s inability to encrypt the email subject line seems like an odd omission to me. If I am sending an email and don’t want anyone but the recipient to be able to read the contents, I probably don’t want anyone else reading the subject line either.
Additionally, as you likely know, Tutanota offers free accounts as well. Furthermore, the cheapest premium plan for Proton is $47.88/year, whereas with Tutanota it is 12 Euro (currently, $12.97/year).
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I use the free plan as that's all I currently need as the recipient list is few. Should I need more Tutanota is an option or I'll pay for a premium plan. As said I'm willing to pay for privacy and do so, my VPN cuts through everything and worth it's weight in gold...
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Biggest reasons .....
I use the whole suite. Now they have a family option with up to six unique users (accounts) and 3TB.
I started using PM when it first cam out just to see what it was. Found it worked for me.
Spam is pretty much gone.
I can use it on iOS/iPadOS, Android, MacOS, Windows, and in most browsers.
I now feed my left over couple of GMail accounts into it as those sloooowwwly get wrapped up.
Just bought a new house and found most of the folks U dealt with used it.
Encryption is good, could be better.
Have had zero issues. Down a couple of times but that is it.
It has been very dependable.
Only current complaint is it is bloody slow to load in iOS.
It is growing and getting better all the time.
Proton actually listens to its users.
Have had no real issues getting help when needed.
It has made email life easier for me.
There are other options out there, maybe better from a mail perspective, however not enough to get me to switch.
I use the whole suite. Now they have a family option with up to six unique users (accounts) and 3TB.
I started using PM when it first cam out just to see what it was. Found it worked for me.
Spam is pretty much gone.
I can use it on iOS/iPadOS, Android, MacOS, Windows, and in most browsers.
I now feed my left over couple of GMail accounts into it as those sloooowwwly get wrapped up.
Just bought a new house and found most of the folks U dealt with used it.
Encryption is good, could be better.
Have had zero issues. Down a couple of times but that is it.
It has been very dependable.
Only current complaint is it is bloody slow to load in iOS.
It is growing and getting better all the time.
Proton actually listens to its users.
Have had no real issues getting help when needed.
It has made email life easier for me.
There are other options out there, maybe better from a mail perspective, however not enough to get me to switch.
My wife has an original @msn account and ouch! Plus a GMail for a catch all.
In the process of moving her to PM.
I've hit pause on my transition from iCloud, for no particular reason other then I was focusing my time on other things in my life.
I had setup the catchall feature of protonmail and after having that turned on for a period of time, I removed it. I was getting unsolicited mail sent to all sorts of combinations of various email address and my domain. Instead of tweaking the spam rules, I just turned it off. So if an email is not directed to specifically defined address it will bounce.
I'm still happy with protonmail and by extension protonvpn. Having 500GB of space to use as I want, is also nice
I had setup the catchall feature of protonmail and after having that turned on for a period of time, I removed it. I was getting unsolicited mail sent to all sorts of combinations of various email address and my domain. Instead of tweaking the spam rules, I just turned it off. So if an email is not directed to specifically defined address it will bounce.
I'm still happy with protonmail and by extension protonvpn. Having 500GB of space to use as I want, is also nice
Proton's VPN doesn't work for me as it struggles to cut through the GFW as it's AI is ever evolving as is my VPN provider 👍 The mail side no complaints really good product, absolutely delivers as promised.
Am here but not really, but sure you know that already...
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ProtonMail is a quite nice service, and I like to keep an account there, for one of the projects which I don't need to be assigned with my person. Honestly, in terms of privacy and security, I'd rather trust them than I'd trust Apple - after all, Apple is bound to US surveillance laws.
For everything else, my own mail server is the best choice. It took months to configure it, but at least I know who owns the data, where the data is stored and how encryption works. I understand that not everyone should run their own server though.
For everything else, my own mail server is the best choice. It took months to configure it, but at least I know who owns the data, where the data is stored and how encryption works. I understand that not everyone should run their own server though.
Interesting, I never considered that the GFW would use AI, makes sense in all honesty, sad nonethless but there's not much we can say w/o running afoul of the MacRumors benevolent leaders
In all honesty, I consider Apple's embrace to security to be marketing then truly believing they have our best interest at heart. The whole fiasco regarding them scanning images is prime example
Take a look at your settings for NAT.
It seemed to really affect speeds if off for some activities.
Been a constant battle for a very long time and very much an offline/DM conversation.Interesting, I never considered that the GFW would use AI, makes sense in all honesty, sad nonethless but there's not much we can say w/o running afoul of the MacRumors benevolent leaders
In all honesty, I consider Apple's embrace to security to be marketing then truly believing they have our best interest at heart. The whole fiasco regarding them scanning images is prime example
Apple is like two guys being chased by a hungry tiger,. You dont need to outrun the tiger you just need to outrun the other guy. It's mostly a marketing tool IMHO, equally they are not too bad as at least they are doing something. I like in Ventura now that access to USB is now locked out to unapproved devices which makes a great deal of sense for any notebook.
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No much has changed, its an email account after all but it seems to be doing everything I want. I go through rounds of clean ups. I'm getting to the point do I disable my email alias on icloud, I'm not quite there but its something that I think I'll be doing
I'm comparing Fastmail to Proton Mail in the unlimited subscription. I mainly use both in Safari on macOS, so that's what I'll focus on. I'll try to be terse and just mention the things that quickly come to mind.
The Fastmail web app is orders of magnitude more responsive than the Proton Mail one. For example, opening settings is instantaneous in Fastmail. It takes 5 seconds in Proton Mail.
Fastmail's web app supports full integration (sending and receiving) with my legacy GMail accounts and my iCloud account. Proton's doesn't support this at all.
Fastmail labels are very sophisticated - lots of settings and automation. Proton Mail labels are just colored stickers.
Fastmail filter rules and search are much more powerful than Proton's. Proton is limited due to encryption.
Fastmail contacts are better intregrated with mail. You can drag contacts from the sidebar into mail you're composing. You can restrict the contacts displayed to those mentioned in the displayed email. Selecting a contact shows the emails involving that contact. Proton is limited due to encryption.
Fastmail's contacts and calendar can integrate with macOS; Proton's can't. Proton's mail bridge only supports email.
Fastmail allows unlimited number of custom domains (I have 12). Proton allows 3. Fastmail allows sending from any name in a custom domain. Proton supports up to 15 total registered additional addresses and you can only send mail from a registered address. I believe that Proton is limited due to dual-key email authentication requirement.
Fastmail allows initiating email from any masked email address. Proton only allows responding to an email sent to a masked email address.
Fastmail support is amazing. Proton support let me down the one time I used it.
Fastmail shows me no adds. Proton occasionally tries to upsell me when I open mail.
But, if you really are actively counting on full email security, Fastmail doesn't come close to Proton Mail.
The Fastmail web app is orders of magnitude more responsive than the Proton Mail one. For example, opening settings is instantaneous in Fastmail. It takes 5 seconds in Proton Mail.
Fastmail's web app supports full integration (sending and receiving) with my legacy GMail accounts and my iCloud account. Proton's doesn't support this at all.
Fastmail labels are very sophisticated - lots of settings and automation. Proton Mail labels are just colored stickers.
Fastmail filter rules and search are much more powerful than Proton's. Proton is limited due to encryption.
Fastmail contacts are better intregrated with mail. You can drag contacts from the sidebar into mail you're composing. You can restrict the contacts displayed to those mentioned in the displayed email. Selecting a contact shows the emails involving that contact. Proton is limited due to encryption.
Fastmail's contacts and calendar can integrate with macOS; Proton's can't. Proton's mail bridge only supports email.
Fastmail allows unlimited number of custom domains (I have 12). Proton allows 3. Fastmail allows sending from any name in a custom domain. Proton supports up to 15 total registered additional addresses and you can only send mail from a registered address. I believe that Proton is limited due to dual-key email authentication requirement.
Fastmail allows initiating email from any masked email address. Proton only allows responding to an email sent to a masked email address.
Fastmail support is amazing. Proton support let me down the one time I used it.
Fastmail shows me no adds. Proton occasionally tries to upsell me when I open mail.
But, if you really are actively counting on full email security, Fastmail doesn't come close to Proton Mail.
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@ OP
1-I aim to support competitive business vs big tech
2-I want to support privacy model businesses
3-The apps and services are actually great which is not the usual case with FOSS/Privacy businesses.
4-break big tech monopoly
5-I have an iCloud account but I didn't know I get email with it. Since MobileMe, I kind of do not trust Apple with that.
A lot of this stuff is related to the web app specifically so if you use native client you might not benefit from it. I think its clear that Fastmail is the one more capable but comes with the cost of Fastmail having the ability to snoop on your emails (or god forbid a breach+leak happens) , which to my understanding is not possible with Proton since is e2e meaning only my password can unlock my emails.
Maybe Fastmail is better for businesses , but if I was a business I would be very worried if my clients emails leak on the web since they have a lot of personal data. Then again, if your emails are not encrypted you might as well go with Outlook email since it integrates with MS Office.
1-I aim to support competitive business vs big tech
2-I want to support privacy model businesses
3-The apps and services are actually great which is not the usual case with FOSS/Privacy businesses.
4-break big tech monopoly
5-I have an iCloud account but I didn't know I get email with it. Since MobileMe, I kind of do not trust Apple with that.
A lot of this stuff is related to the web app specifically so if you use native client you might not benefit from it. I think its clear that Fastmail is the one more capable but comes with the cost of Fastmail having the ability to snoop on your emails (or god forbid a breach+leak happens) , which to my understanding is not possible with Proton since is e2e meaning only my password can unlock my emails.
Maybe Fastmail is better for businesses , but if I was a business I would be very worried if my clients emails leak on the web since they have a lot of personal data. Then again, if your emails are not encrypted you might as well go with Outlook email since it integrates with MS Office.
True on the point about the web app. Proton Mail's bridge makes it very easy to work with Proton Mail from within Apple Mail. Once using Apple Mail, Proton Mail doesn't seem any less capable than Fastmail.
For me, the biggest downside of Proton Mail is the extreme limitation of custom domains. I've used my own domains since the early nineties (what a pain to get them registered back then). I would always give out my email address as <something unique>@<mydomain>. This would allow me to track the sale of my address and disable a particular sender if needed. Nowadays, people have the option of using a provider's masked email address feature, but that does tie you into that email provider.
Fastmail is fabulous with custom domains, unlimited in number. The browser app makes it trivial to type any originating address in any domain I've got registered. And when I respond to an email to some random name, the web app automatically replies from that address. I couldn't live without this feature.
Regarding the security of Proton Mail's client-side encryption of emails, it's all pretty much wasted if one emails people who use insecure mail servers. So many emails of mine are to people who have gmail addresses; all of those emails are harvestable by Google just due to the fact that they are stored on their servers.
I see your point, but in the end there is only 1 place with all my emails. Google have to search for my emails in all their inboxes, but will not have any emails sent to Outlook, or Yahoo, or custom domains tied to other email servers like governments, corps like Apple, hospitals, etc....