Prove the PEECEEers, OSX IS KING

[Logik]

Ok i read the original post and a couple replies.. let me just say this.. stop playing the i have a bigger penis game and use what suits you best. trash talking and trying to convince people is worthless. if you've shown them things and they aren't impressed, so what? You are happy with your machine and that's really all that matters, let them use what is best for them. If they like dealing with constant virus issues and security issues let them be. be the bigger person and just let it go. OS X is not "king" it's an operating system. Every person works differently, just so happens that OS X works best for YOU, that doesn't mean it's going to be the best for EVERYONE. sounds to me like you got a lot of growing up to do, so concentrate on that rather than trying to prove to the world that the mac is king.

 

[iGary]

I've stopped trying.

My partner has been cursing his laptop for a week because he can no longer read PDF's. He won't let me BUY him an iMac G5.

The company next door to my office is owned by a great guy who knows what a Mac head I am. He comes over last week and says "How do I make a PDF out of a Word document?" I said "Buy a Mac" and he just shakes his head and tells me to get out of his hair with "my Mac evangilism." He needs to buy an add-on program to do what he needs it to do.

Last week I walk into a sign shop to have some magnets made for my car. "OK I'll just e-mail you my logo." "Oh no, we shut down our e-mail because we just spent $300.00 having the viruses removed from our network." A sign shop. Using Peecees. For shame. I walked out.

People don't like change and will shoulder reason to hold onto certainty.

 

[Logik]

yea, some of my mac hater friends got an ipod recently, one got the U2 and the other got the photo, they had to use itunes, and re-rip they're cd's from wma format to mp3, or something itunes would recognise, they thought it went so slow and they had so mcuh trouble with getting the cd track names, they were always wrong...i was sure that once they started using ipod and itunes, they would see that OS X and macs in general arent that bad...but in effect it made it worse. my excuse was that itunes for windwos just sucks....didn't do much but oh well

no in all likelihood they had issues with firewall or their ISP sucks. i have yet to have a single problem with iTunes for windows, and i've been using it since it came out for windows. Works wonderfully well. Sure it could use some consistancy and stuff but it does the job and it does it well. I barely use the mac version on my powerbook since i just carry an ipod with me when i want music. blame that one on user error.

 

[jiggie2g]

OSX is Fantastic compared to Windows XP but , the Athlon 64 is KING. as long as Apple keeps charging an arm and leg for 2yr old hardware(G5) with bare bones ram and garage sale video cards. It won't matter how great OSX is now will it. no one can say with a straight face that they are at this present day satisfied with a G4 running OSX after using a 3Ghz+ P4 or AMD Equavalent setup.

I do alot of DVD work. The iMac has a crippled bus and so does the low end G5 which kills it when it comes to encoding.so while OSX may be King. Mac computers are just lowly peasants in comparison to thier PC breathern.

Windows XP Pro can actually be a very good OS if you use some common sense . Using Firefox/Thunderbird , blocking pop ups , not opening unfamiliar e-mail, or playing with Kazza. just do that and keep up a good Firewall and AV Program, 1 or 2 free spyware programs. it seems like alot but once it's set up the stuff updates and scans automatically. my PC has become very low maintence.

PC's require the use of common sense and a bit of PC savvy. OSX does not that's why anyone's grandmother can use OSX.

 

[biohazard6969]

OSX is Fantastic compared to Windows XP but , the Athlon 64 is KING. as long as Apple keeps charging an arm and leg for 2yr old hardware(G5) with bare bones ram and garage sale video cards. It won't matter how great OSX is now will it. no one can say with a straight face that they are at this present day satisfied with a G4 running OSX after using a 3Ghz+ P4 or AMD Equavalent setup.

I do alot of DVD work. The iMac has a crippled bus and so does the low end G5 which kills it when it comes to encoding.so while OSX may be King. Mac computers are just lowly peasants in comparison to thier PC breathern.

Windows XP Pro can actually be a very good OS if you use some common sense . Using Firefox/Thunderbird , blocking pop ups , not opening unfamiliar e-mail, or playing with Kazza. just do that and keep up a good Firewall and AV Program, 1 or 2 free spyware programs. it seems like alot but once it's set up the stuff updates and scans automatically. my PC has become very low maintence.

PC's require the use of common sense and a bit of PC savvy. OSX does not that's why anyone's grandmother can use OSX.

i totally agree with you, macs are too expensive and sometimes inadequate when it comes to the numbers, but i love what i have.

and i never said i hated windows, i think its GREAT, i use virtual pc all the time, and i'm smart with it, i don't use kazaa, or nething like that. its a great OS, but i still think OS X is far superior. OS X is so much easier to use and i hope with tiger we can get some die hard windows users to see the light for once

 

[iGary]

macs are too expensive

Compared to what?

 

[biohazard6969]

when you compare the numbers, processor speed, RAM, graphics card, its way overpriced compared to PC counterparts, but its such a better machine, and the company is so well respected.....i'm trying not to sound like i'm fflip-flopping on this one lol

 

[notjustjay]

Switchers

Lots of good reading in this thread:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/109307/

In it I post my story of the "Zero Config Printer" experience, where I bought a new laser printer and my Mac already knew about it (automatically discovered it via Rendezvous) and was all configured to go before I even told it to print anything... and the Windows machine took two weeks of driver frustration before it got everything right.

Just one of many similar examples that exemplify the Mac experience.

But the zero virus thing is appealing too.

 

[dornoforpyros]

personally I put the mac-fanboys in the same category as Metallica-fanboys. You can tell them that Mac/Metallica sucks, even if your just doing it to piss them off and 9 times outta 10 your gaurenteed to get a rise outta them.

 

[iGary]

when you compare the numbers, processor speed, RAM, graphics card, its way overpriced compared to PC counterparts, but its such a better machine, and the company is so well respected.....i'm trying not to sound like i'm fflip-flopping on this one lol

Macs have an overall lower cost of operation to PC's. Period.

Processor speeds mean nothing when you are comparing two totally different architectures.

The magic words: graphic card - are you trying to play games? Mac is definitely not your platform, then.

Apple's upping all of it's configuration (admitted, rumor) to 512MB RAM standard this year...

Compare a Dell to an eMac, and a Dell to a Mac mini and there is littel or no diffrence in cost, but a world of difference in what you get.

 

[Yvan256]

I've stopped trying.

My partner has been cursing his laptop for a week because he can no longer read PDF's. He won't let me BUY him an iMac G5.

Erm. I'll let you buy me an iMac G5. Just wait a month though.

The company next door to my office is owned by a great guy who knows what a Mac head I am. He comes over last week and says "How do I make a PDF out of a Word document?" I said "Buy a Mac" and he just shakes his head and tells me to get out of his hair with "my Mac evangilism." He
needs to buy an add-on program to do what he needs it to do.

Well, he's right. He's only asking to create PDFs, and you recommend a new platform and computer. It's like him asking "How do I play MP3's in my Ford?" and you reply "You need to buy a Lexus.", sort of.

He also doesn't need to buy an add-on, there's plenty of freeware "PDF printers" out there. I don't remember which one I was using, but they're available.

Last week I walk into a sign shop to have some magnets made for my car. "OK I'll just e-mail you my logo." "Oh no, we shut down our e-mail because we just spent $300.00 having the viruses removed from our network." A sign shop. Using Peecees. For shame. I walked out.

Indeed, I too am shocked every time I see "print" shops not using Macs.

People don't like change and will shoulder reason to hold onto certainty.

You know what they say. "The devil you know"...

In their view, all computers are the same and Apple must simply have "different problems". Not reason enough to switch.

I guess I'm fortunate enough though. When I talk to someone about Macs, all they care about is their PC games (old and new).

 

[iMacZealot]

Windows had 2 updates service pack 1 and 2 and 2 is very handy. But you are right mac is king!!!

In my opinion, I think of the Service Packs as Security Updates for us OS X users. It's not like people really look forward to the Service Packs like a major new release to Mac OS X, such as a jump from Jaguar to Panther.

 

[iMacZealot]

Just use whatever you like, but don't go spreading crap about Windows and acting like a Mac zealot.

Oops. I guess I should change my forum name. Just kidding!

 

[iMacZealot]

Trust me some people don't care. I told my Dad that if they wanted to do that stuff, they should get a Mac (considering "empty" nest with me at college). I told him he can probably learn it in a lazy Saturday afternoon; or if he needs help there's the Apple store. He's like, *shrug* he just doesn't care. Our family was never that technologically inclined. Pictures? My mom has been pretty content using PowerPoint or those online photo albums.

Music? She finally got an iPod/iTunes. Finding Asian tracks are kind hard on iTunes. Chinese? HKPop? Non-existent on iTunes.

I'm guessing that your father is about 50 years old, correct? A fifty-year-old man wouldn't care because he doesn't use computers much in the first place. However, if you family was technologically inclined, my example would catch them and potentially make them "switchers."

 

[Capt Underpants]

Oops. I guess I should change my forum name. Just kidding!

It does give off a little bit of a zealotish (word? oh well...) feeling. I'm just saying that no one likes to deal with PC or Mac zealots. They don't seem to be rational. You're still a nOoB. You could change your name and not lose that many posts. But heck, I'm the one with "Capt Underpants" as a name and the crappiest home made avatar to boot. Who am I to talk?

 

[jiggie2g]

Processor speeds mean nothing when you are comparing two totally different architectures.

not true most beanchmarks will prove that an Athlon XP and G4 are very similar clock 4 clock , as are the Athlon 64 and G5. you obviously don't know much about hardware. the difference is i can get a Full speed Athlon 64 machine for like $700 , i can't even look at a G5 for less then $1299

Macs have an overall lower cost of operation to PC's. Period.

True and false , I agree macs are less of a hassle. however it is very decieving in saying they are cheaper in the long run. with a PC if u are sick of your video card u can replace it. need a new hard drive same thing , monitor same thing , new CPU u can replace or over clock.

I was able to save money buying a cheap'o $77 AMD Athlon XP-Mobile 2400+ CPU(at newegg) cuz they are known to overclock 500-700 overstock speeds.

The magic words: graphic card - are you trying to play games? Mac is definitely not your platform, then.

maybe not but this is a big market the mac is missing and only a blind jack ass would say otherwise. incase u didn't know graphic cards do serve another purpose besides games like Video acceleration, hardware encode assist , Quartz , Core Image/Video. this is a huge set back for mac. with all this stuff needing graphic accelaration all macs should atleast be running a Geforce 6200 or Radeon X300 and 128MB should be bare minimum not 32MB.

Apple's upping all of it's configuration (admitted, rumor) to 512MB RAM standard this year...

uh only because cheap'o stevo has finally realized after getting his ass chewed out by every analyst , news web site , mac user that OSX is a dog with out atleast 512MB.

Compare a Dell to an eMac, and a Dell to a Mac mini and there is littel or no diffrence in cost, but a world of difference in what you get.

a Dell comes with a keyboard mouse and faster cpu and sometimes even an LCD monitor for either the same or slightly more than that cut up iBook in a box they call a mac mini. not including basic features like a keyboard & mouse is just a complete insult to the intelligence of any inteligent PC buyer.

The Mac Mini has to be a perfect example of a well thought out plan poorly executed. so u get OSX and iLife. but let's see what else u get. compared to the dell. you get a tiny 4200rpm turtle speed drive to use for your desktop.
a 1.2-1.4 G4 which at best is maybe a 3yr old 2ghz P4 equavalent(maybe less). 256MB ram in a very user unfriendly case . only 2 USB Ports.
a slow ass Slot loading drive. a crippled 32mb Radeon 9200 running a AGP 4X
this negates any advantage it supposedly had over PC's intergreated chipsets
mas most new lowend PC's come with that new Intel 900 Graphic chipset which is just as fast as an old Readon 9200 or Geforce 5200 plus uses 128MB from the system for video effects.

 

[iGary]

True and false , I agree macs are less of a hassle. however it is very decieving in saying they are cheaper in the long run. with a PC if u are sick of your video card u can replace it. need a new hard drive same thing , monitor same thing , new CPU u can replace or over clock.

I have a 128MB vid card in my G4 that I installed myself, and a second hard drive. I used to have an old G3 which I had overclocked as well. So, you're just, sorry, wrong.

This is a huge set back for mac. with all this stuff needing graphic accelaration all macs should atleast be running a Geforce 6200 or Radeon X300 and 128MB should be bare minimum not 32MB.

Are you basing everything you know about macs on a $499.00 mini?

a Dell comes with a keyboard mouse and faster cpu and sometimes even an LCD monitor for either the same or slightly more than that cut up iBook in a box they call a mac mini. not including basic features like a keyboard & mouse is just a complete insult to the intelligence of any inteligent PC buyer.

Intelligent PC buyer. Heh. Does any PC manufacturer offer iPhoto, iDVD, iMovie HD, or Grageband INCLUDED in their keyboard/monitor/mouse-included setup? How about yearly virus protection subscriptions, oh, spyware and adware programs, you'll need those too. And I suppose the Dell is what about 50 times the size of the mini?

Not saying the mini is the end all be all, but it seems to be the only Mac product you have any cognitive knowledge of.

And if industrial design and ultimate user experience mean anything to you, then Apple's got everyone on the planet beat hands down.

 

[jiggie2g]

I have a 128MB vid card in my G4 that I installed myself, and a second hard drive. I used to have an old G3 which I had overclocked as well. So, you're just, sorry, wrong.

G3 ..LOL people still use those , don'y they put those in cute little Nintendo Gamecube's now ..take that old thing out back and put it out of it's misery.
what 128MB video card may that be let's see , and OVER Priced Radeon 9800 Pro , PCI Radeon 9200. or even an ancient Gefrorce 3. i'm taking about cards u can go 2 any store or site and buy , not the at time of purchase stuff. if u purchased a Geforce 6800 series or Radeon X800XT for a G4 you deserve 2 be slapped. Overclock what from 500mhz to 733. real over clocking is like 500mhz or better atleast %33 over stock on a real CPU not G3 trash. I don't care if ur G3 runs 1ghz it's still a G3 a complete dog.

Are you basing everything you know about macs on a $499.00 mini?

no but eveyone else here seems 2 be.

Intelligent PC buyer. Heh. Does any PC manufacturer offer iPhoto, iDVD, iMovie HD, or Grageband INCLUDED in their keyboard/monitor/mouse-included setup? How about yearly virus protection subscriptions, oh, spyware and adware programs, you'll need those too. And I suppose the Dell is what about 50 times the size of the mini?

Most people don't even use iMove or iDVD that often..let alone grageband , iPhoto and iTunes are probabally the most used programs on a mac besides mail and a browser. lst time i checked iTunes was free on both platforms.
there are a million and 1 Photo Programs on PC. same with iMovie or iDVD Adobe and Pinnacle both make very good programs in that dept.how bout a Nero equavalent on mac not cheep knock off toast or DVD Shrink which is free. so is DVD decryptor which is better than mactheripper. once u set up the AV , firewall and spyware. it works oon it's own as long as you don't do the stupid crap i mentioned in the earlier post.

Not saying the mini is the end all be all, but it seems to be the only Mac product you have any cognitive knowledge of.

onlu used it as an example because people here were speaking about lowend vs. low end. now if u wanna compare high end to high end which u don't because it will get very bloody for the mac.

And if industrial design and ultimate user experience mean anything to you, then Apple's got everyone on the planet beat hands down.

well on PC it takes a little effort , but its what u make of it. maintain a pc well and it can work just as good as any mac. wonder how great is that user expereince will be while the market share shinks to decimal level not much to go now apple what is it 's share like now 2%.

 

[iGary]

You're trolling at this point. Come up with some non-insulting, valid, factual responses and we can resume discussion.

Until then.

 

[jiggie2g]

You're trolling at this point. Come up with some non-insulting, valid, factual responses and we can resume discussion.

Until then.

Voiceing one's opinion is not Trolling , but as usual any one who comes to these forums saying something negative about all things apple is automatically labeled a troll by the maczealots

 

[iGary]

G3 ..LOL people still use those , don'y they put those in cute little Nintendo Gamecube's now ..take that old thing out back and put it out of it's misery.

Trolling. I have pre-press vendors using G3's to do preflight work on multi-million dollar Heidlebergs.

Learn how to play nice and we can talk.

 

[notjustjay]

In my opinion, I think of the Service Packs as Security Updates for us OS X users. It's not like people really look forward to the Service Packs like a major new release to Mac OS X, such as a jump from Jaguar to Panther.

I disagree. I think the service packs are like OS X point releases (Windows XP and Windows XP Service Pack 1 are like OS X 10.1 and OS X 10.2)

Service Pack 2 added a lot of things (including, unfortunately, a lot of instability).

The difference between 10.2 and 10.3, and now 10.3 and 10.4, have yet to really be paralleled in Windows XP. Maybe when XP gets a trickle-down feature set from Longhorn (the search and new UI).

 

[notjustjay]

Trolling. I have pre-press vendors using G3's to do preflight work on multi-million dollar Heidlebergs.

Learn how to play nice and we can talk.

Right. The computers on-board the space shuttles have been the same for decades.

It's not always about the latest and greatest.

 

[jiggie2g]

Right. The computers on-board the space shuttles have been the same for decades.

It's not always about the latest and greatest.

I guess that's why they haven't gone anywhere in like 30yrs.

 

[brap]

Voiceing one's opinion is not Trolling , but as usual any one who comes to these forums saying something negative about all things apple is automatically labeled a troll by the maczealots

Are you Timelessblur?

No, really, are you?