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PS3 and LED Cinema Display Solution (also DVI to Mini DP)

About the iMac 27"...

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come on bro... as far as people saying that the upscaler is needed without knowing... i am mainly going off of the fact the the reps from ATLONA have told me it is required. i believe our problem is actually that the resolution being supported doesn't necessarily mean it will be the best option. my hope is that a new scaler will come out that will utilize the iMac's full native resolution and not just the limited resolution of 1080p. i dont even think i've seen one way or the other but i believe the 1080 resolution will have big black bands around it on screen anyway. either way... the native 27in and the 1080 are both 16:9... so, i would rather use an upscaler and utilize the full screen. hope that all made sense...
 
Hello everyone,
I´ve got one question. I know you need the hdmi to hmi scaler if you use the ps3. But whats about the xbox 360. I think it can upscale to 19:10 and to 1920x1200 without the scaler or not?! Then you wouldn´t need a scaler.
Thanks very much.
(For the Apple LED 24" Display)
 
Hi guys,

Is there any news about an integrated solution for connecting a PS3 to 24'' Led Display at a decent cost?

Thanks
 
Skorpien,

I'm sorry, but I don't think that will work. I think its the same as the Dr. Bott video link, that I had to return because it doesn't work to connect a PS3 to the 24'' Led Display. If I am not mistaken the product you showed only "supports" 1920x1200 resolutions, but it doesn't upscales from 1080p or 720p to that resolution. For that you will need an hdmi to MiniDisplay Port upscaler. If you look at the specifications of the Kanex Xd it only states that it "Covert PC DVI signal to DisplayPort format to Apple® LED Cinema Display 24" at 1920x1200", so I bet it doesn't upscales hdmi signals from 1080p to 1920x1200.

It only works fine on the 27'' iMac because its display supports 720p, therefore the Kanex XD only haves to convert the the input resolution (720p) signal to MiniDisplay Port. It doesn't need to upscale the input signal, as it would need in order to connect to an 24'' Led Display.


Does anybody corroborates this?

Thanks
 
MrMarques said:
Skorpien,

I'm sorry, but I don't think that will work. I think its the same as the Dr. Bott video link, that I had to return because it doesn't work to connect a PS3 to the 24'' Led Display. If I am not mistaken the product you showed only "supports" 1920x1200 resolutions, but it doesn't upscales from 1080p or 720p to that resolution. For that you will need an hdmi to MiniDisplay Port upscaler. If you look at the specifications of the Kanex Xd it only states that it "Covert PC DVI signal to DisplayPort format to Apple® LED Cinema Display 24" at 1920x1200", so I bet it doesn't upscales hdmi signals from 1080p to 1920x1200.

It only works fine on the 27'' iMac because its display supports 720p, therefore the Kanex XD only haves to convert the the input resolution (720p) signal to MiniDisplay Port. It doesn't need to upscale the input signal, as it would need in order to connect to an 24'' Led Display.


Does anybody corroborates this?

Thanks
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Hmm, I'm very curious about this one.
 
MrMarques said:
Skorpien,

I'm sorry, but I don't think that will work. I think its the same as the Dr. Bott video link, that I had to return because it doesn't work to connect a PS3 to the 24'' Led Display. If I am not mistaken the product you showed only "supports" 1920x1200 resolutions, but it doesn't upscales from 1080p or 720p to that resolution. For that you will need an hdmi to MiniDisplay Port upscaler. If you look at the specifications of the Kanex Xd it only states that it "Covert PC DVI signal to DisplayPort format to Apple® LED Cinema Display 24" at 1920x1200", so I bet it doesn't upscales hdmi signals from 1080p to 1920x1200.

It only works fine on the 27'' iMac because its display supports 720p, therefore the Kanex XD only haves to convert the the input resolution (720p) signal to MiniDisplay Port. It doesn't need to upscale the input signal, as it would need in order to connect to an 24'' Led Display.


Does anybody corroborates this?

Thanks
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As this is still in pre-order status with an ETA of 4/2009 (I think they meant 4/2010 :p), I'm afraid you'll have to wait for any corroboration. Their product page provides very little information, and what it does provide is vague at best unfortunately. But judging from the XD's product page, it's entitled Kanex XD For Apple iMac 27" LED Cinema 24" - Play Blu-Ray DVD PS3 Xbox 360 Elite. So assuming this is correct, it will allow you to connect your PS3 (or any 1080p source) to the 24" LED ACD. I'm not sure how the conversion will work, but I'm guessing it will either be stretched to 1920x1200 from 1920x1080, or you will be playing with black bars along the top and bottom. But I doubt they would advertise that it works with the 24" LED ACD if it didn't. Your best bet would be to write them an email asking them if this will work.
 
Skorpien, what you say makes perfect sense, however don't forget that the Dr. Bott Video Link also advertised working with the Apple 24' Led Display. What I only discovered after trying it for a few hours, was that it only works with DVI input with input resolutions of 1920x1200, and not the native 1080p from the PS3 (or any other regular hdmi) input.

I am going to ask KANEX about this, but I will not get my hopes up considering this "magic" statement on their site: "Covert PC DVI signal to DisplayPort format to Apple® LED Cinema Display 24" at 1920x1200"

I bet its the same as the Dr. Bott Video Link.

Thanks for the input anyway.
 
Sorry I couldn't be more help. I would definitely be interested in what KANEX has to say about this. If you could post back when you get a response that would be greatly appreciated. And if KANEX can't upscale 1080p for the 24" ACD, hopefully somebody will come out with something that can.
 
Here you go from my recent email:

You have received a message regarding your service request.

Yes, the Kanex XD is compatiable with both iMac 27" and Cinema Display 24" it upscales to 720p only. But has an output resolution of 1920x1200 for the Cinema Display only.

Kanex Team:
http://www.kanexlive.com
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So in order for your PS3 to look good on the 24" ACD you'd still need an upscaler =/.

My other question would be, if I used this to connect to my PC desktop through HDMI, I would be able to set the resolutions myself right?
 
Definitely displaying at 1080p?

I've been following another thread on this forum (https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/806175/) and after tons of research, Q&A with atlona, dr. bott, etc, and some great tests from forum members, it was assumed that the 27" imac simply couldn't receive an input signal higher than 720p (unless it specifically matched the 27's native resolution). It was determined as far as we know, that this limitation comes from the 27" imac's firmware, and unless the firmware is updated by apple, the MDP input on the 27" will have a limit of 720p resolution.

However, this forum is saying that 1080p is possible using the scaler that is already available, I wanted to check and see that we're sure it's 1080p, not just 720p like all the manufacturers of these adapters are saying is the current maximum for the 27".
 
jlpoore89 said:
Hey everybody,

I know for a while now a lot of people have been wanting a way to hook up the PS3 (or any other non-Mini DisplayPort device for that matter) to the LED Cinema Display. There is finally a way to do it now thanks to Atlona Technologies.

For any DVI-enabled Mac or PC all you will need is there new DVI to Mini DisplayPort Converter.

Now for the PS3 it is a little more complicated. You can't simply use just the DVI to Mini DP Converter, because the LED Cinema Display doesn't support any of the resolutions output by the PS3. So to fix this you need their HDMI Scaler.

I currently have both of these devices to use my PS3 with my LED Cinema Display and I am extremely pleased with the outcome. The picture quality is absolutely amazing. This is absolutely the best display to use with a PS3.

As of now using these two devices with the proper cables is the only solution for connecting a PS3 to the LED Cinema Display and getting a full 1080p picture.

Atlona says though that they will be releasing a new device which combines the functionality of these two devices into one and they estimate that it will cost $200-250 (It should be available by the end of the year). It will also allow you to keep your Mini DP enabled computer and HDMI enabled device plugged into the box simultaneously and will have a switch to allow you to choose which one is displayed on the screen.

Hope the quality of the pics is good enough...if not I will upload uncompressed version to flickr and post a link.
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hey dude was you able to output sound from the led cinema speakers using does devices?
 
Hey guys,

I work for Kanex, wanted to say hello and to reach out to the Mac community.

yes this will be out shortly as the ETA states. We showed this at Macworld 2010 and won best of show for it also. It looks nice, and it passes sound as well. There is not much point to buy a scaler for a 27inch screen unless you really can tell the difference and need it as well, if thats the case use the Atlona solution, they have great products, and Im not here to knock them whatsoever.

Our product not only looks nice next to your iMac, but does the job with sound flawlessly and with zero lag whatsoever. All you need to do is set your PS3, Bluray Cable box, Xbox, etc to 720P and then your in business. See the video(s) below !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F1y_M-LJ9E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbpvZQvSbOM

We were the original company to bring out the mdp-hdmi + toslink sound adapter and the usb 2 channel version. Now the HDMI - MDP + sound.
We plan on bringing out more and more niche connectivity products that we all need for our Mac's.

We are US based and we support our products locally. Call us if you have inquiries. I will try to get more active in these forums to awnser questions !

Thanks
Kanex
 
So, to sum up:

1) Advantages of the Kanex XD over Dr.Bott:
- better design, looks good next to your iMac
- better support within the US

2) Advantages of the Dr.Bott:
- well, it actually exists and has been existing for months now
- better distribution outside the US and probably better avaibility
- all the cables out of the box (don't know about the Kanex box)

3) Draw:
- they both passthrough stereo sound from the hdmi source to the MDP cable. This is definetely an advangtage over the DVI-based (so no audio) Atlona AT-DP200 (DVI-SL) and AT-DP400 (DVI-DL up to 2560x1600 if connected to a DVI-DL source).
 
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