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Birthday detection?! Amazing Apple didn’t mention this at the event!
“The new Apple Watch can actually sense back through time, using ultra wideband technology, a temperature sensor and the microphone, it can work out each time “Happy Birthday” while you were the closest to burning candles. After our developers worked that out, it was a simple matter to count the number of these occurrences in order to figure out how old you are.

We here at Apple this this is the best and thinnest birthday detector we’ve ever made.”
 
It's actually not just the SPO2 sensor. There's actually a whole list of things that won't work on a Family Setup Apple Watch...

The following features and apps are not available: irregular heart rhythm notifications, ECG, Cycle Tracking, Sleep, Blood Oxygen, Podcasts, Remote, News, Home, and Shortcuts.

(from https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT211768)

I suspect almost all of these are based on the requirement to have an iPhone paired with the same Apple ID as the Apple Watch user. The lack of a Health app would be an obvious explanation for the health features, while the others are probably just technical limitations related to the individual watchOS apps right now.
 
I think SpO2 measurement will be great in a wife-reader app. When we guys are telling the wife the true reason for xy, the watch can blink if her SpO2 starts to tank (as a result of her holding her breath), and we can know early on that she's not buying our story and that we will in trouble and thus allows us to switch strategies early on when damage is still small.. could be a real life-saver app...


That is hilarious! :D

Made me laugh - thanks....
 
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"The following features and apps are not available: irregular heart rhythm notifications, ECG, Cycle Tracking, Sleep, Blood Oxygen, Podcasts, Remote, News, Home, and Shortcuts."

Huh...

Good to know, just saved me some money, and Apple just lost a sale.

Was going to buy the new Watch for my mom, who refuses to give up her iPhone 5. She doesn't want anything bigger, and wants a home button. I had hoped that Family Setup would allow me to get her the Watch w/o the expense of a phone she doesn't want and won't like?

But, 99% of what she'd want the Watch for is disabled if using Family Setup.. SMH..



Oh well?
 
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So wait a second, a bit confused by this story. Is it only a child that can't monitor someone else's blood sugar on a family set-up account? I was planning to get a the series 6 for my mum who doesn't use a smartphone, so I could keep an eye on her blood sugar. This weas a big selling point. But if I can't do this via my iPhone, the only way to check is from her watch, since she won't have it connected to her phone?
 
So wait a second, a bit confused by this story. Is it only a child that can't monitor someone else's blood sugar on a family set-up account? I was planning to get a the series 6 for my mum who doesn't use a smartphone, so I could keep an eye on her blood sugar. This weas a big selling point. But if I can't do this via my iPhone, the only way to check is from her watch, since she won't have it connected to her phone?
Unfortunately you won't be able to use any of the advanced health tracking features on an Apple Watch that isn't paired with the user's own iPhone. Presumably apps like ECG, Blood Oxygen, Sleep, and Cycle Tracking are disabled entirely when an Apple Watch is using Family Setup, so you wouldn't even be able to check these features directly on someone's Apple Watch — they simply won't work at all.

However, the Apple Watch doesn't monitor blood sugar anyway. This article is about the blood oxygen sensor. There is no blood sugar sensor.
 
"The following features and apps are not available: irregular heart rhythm notifications, ECG, Cycle Tracking, Sleep, Blood Oxygen, Podcasts, Remote, News, Home, and Shortcuts."

Huh...

Good to know, just saved me some money, and Apple just lost a sale.

Was going to buy the new Watch for my mom, who refuses to give up her iPhone 5. She doesn't want anything bigger, and wants a home button. I had hoped that Family Setup would allow me to get her the Watch w/o the expense of a phone she doesn't want and won't like?

But, 99% of what she'd want the Watch for is disabled if using Family Setup.. SMH..



Oh well?
Just buy her an iPhone 8.
 
Just buy her an iPhone 8.
That wouldn't really qualify under the heading of "She doesn't want anything bigger"

However, the first-generation 2016 iPhone SE could still be an option. It's the exact same size as the iPhone 5 and it's compatible with iOS 14, which means it should work fine with the Apple Watch Series 6 (the specs say "iPhone 6s or later" and the original iPhone SE actually came out six months after the iPhone 6s did, so it's technically "later").

With the iPhone 5 now being stuck back on iOS 10 it's really a good idea to upgrade to something more current anyway.

Sadly, Apple isn't selling the 2016 iPhone SE directly anymore, but you can still find them through a lot of other online retailers.
 
Unfortunately you won't be able to use any of the advanced health tracking features on an Apple Watch that isn't paired with the user's own iPhone. Presumably apps like ECG, Blood Oxygen, Sleep, and Cycle Tracking are disabled entirely when an Apple Watch is using Family Setup, so you wouldn't even be able to check these features directly on someone's Apple Watch — they simply won't work at all.

However, the Apple Watch doesn't monitor blood sugar anyway. This article is about the blood oxygen sensor. There is no blood sugar sensor.
Alright, thanks for the information.
 
Can we get a test between a pulse oximiter and the Apple Watch? It would be great to see what we’re are working with
 
So wait a second, a bit confused by this story. Is it only a child that can't monitor someone else's blood sugar on a family set-up account? I was planning to get a the series 6 for my mum who doesn't use a smartphone, so I could keep an eye on her blood sugar. This weas a big selling point. But if I can't do this via my iPhone, the only way to check is from her watch, since she won't have it connected to her phone?
Same here. I was thinking about getting one from my 80 year old dad who has issues with falling, is diabetic and has had heart issues. The only cell phone he currently uses is a TracPhone that he has to refill with mins. I was going to get this also for the cell plan because only time he uses one is in an emergency to either let me know where he is, if his car is broke down, etc. but now I am less inclined to get it.
 
Same here. I was thinking about getting one from my 80 year old dad who has issues with falling, is diabetic and has had heart issues. The only cell phone he currently uses is a TracPhone that he has to refill with mins. I was going to get this also for the cell plan because only time he uses one is in an emergency to either let me know where he is, if his car is broke down, etc. but now I am less inclined to get it.
Well, you’d still have access to the Fall Detection feature, along with Emergency SOS notifications, which could be enough of a reason by itself.

The Family Setup also supports high and low heart rate notifications still, along with the basic heart app. It’s only the ECG and irregular heart rhythm notifications that are missing from the heart features, and those are primarily for tracking atrial fibrillation.
 
Well, you’d still have access to the Fall Detection feature, along with Emergency SOS notifications, which could be enough of a reason by itself.

The Family Setup also supports high and low heart rate notifications still, along with the basic heart app. It’s only the ECG and irregular heart rhythm notifications that are missing from the heart features, and those are primarily for tracking atrial fibrillation.
Say I got my mum her own iPhone, just to set this all up for her. Since she wouldn't use the iPhone itself, would the features of the watch work? I mean, I'd just link it to her iPhone which would probably be sat on a shelf at home somewhere. If she went out and aboout without the iPhone, would the features work?
 
Say I got my mum her own iPhone, just to set this all up for her. Since she wouldn't use the iPhone itself, would the features of the watch work? I mean, I'd just link it to her iPhone which would probably be sat on a shelf at home somewhere. If she went out and aboout without the iPhone, would the features work?
As long you buy the cellular-capable Apple Watch, then you'd be able to do most of the same things you can do when the iPhone is nearby. The GPS-only model requires the iPhone in order to get connected to the internet (although it can also use known Wi-Fi access points that as long as they're not "captive" Wi-Fi networks — ones that require you to go through a sign-on page).

However, most of the health monitoring features don't actually require an internet connection, so if it's primarily for that you'd be okay with either model.

Apple actually has a pretty good support article that lays out what the Apple Watch can do when it's on its own:Use your Apple Watch without your iPhone nearby.

You'd still need to use the iPhone to actually check the health data, since there's no equivalent "Health" app on the Apple Watch — all of that data gets recorded into the health app on the paired iPhone (this is likely the main reason these features aren't available on a "Family Setup" Apple Watch — there's nowhere to record anything).

You'd also need to use the iPhone for things like installing watchOS software updates.
 
As long you buy the cellular-capable Apple Watch, then you'd be able to do most of the same things you can do when the iPhone is nearby. The GPS-only model requires the iPhone in order to get connected to the internet (although it can also use known Wi-Fi access points that as long as they're not "captive" Wi-Fi networks — ones that require you to go through a sign-on page).

However, most of the health monitoring features don't actually require an internet connection, so if it's primarily for that you'd be okay with either model.

Apple actually has a pretty good support article that lays out what the Apple Watch can do when it's on its own:Use your Apple Watch without your iPhone nearby.

You'd still need to use the iPhone to actually check the health data, since there's no equivalent "Health" app on the Apple Watch — all of that data gets recorded into the health app on the paired iPhone (this is likely the main reason these features aren't available on a "Family Setup" Apple Watch — there's nowhere to record anything).

You'd also need to use the iPhone for things like installing watchOS software updates.
Thanks a lot for this, it's really useful to know. Yers, it's mainly for the health monitoring features, and I can just check in on the Health app.

I guess technically since I don't have an Apple watch, I could just get her a Series 6 and just connect it to my phone and monitor via the Health app? She's often at her house which has wifi set-up, so I'm assuming anything it records will be sent directly to the Health app on my phone...right? Any issues you can think of with this?
 
"The following features and apps are not available: irregular heart rhythm notifications, ECG, Cycle Tracking, Sleep, Blood Oxygen, Podcasts, Remote, News, Home, and Shortcuts."

Huh...

Good to know, just saved me some money, and Apple just lost a sale.

Was going to buy the new Watch for my mom, who refuses to give up her iPhone 5. She doesn't want anything bigger, and wants a home button. I had hoped that Family Setup would allow me to get her the Watch w/o the expense of a phone she doesn't want and won't like?

But, 99% of what she'd want the Watch for is disabled if using Family Setup.. SMH..



Oh well?

Hi J,

Not sure if others have replied with the same idea.

You can buy her a new iphone SE 2020.

I have one, really impressed and a lot smaller than the other iPhones out there.

If she can get on with the bigger size, Its a good phone and at a much more reasonable price.


Cheers
Martin
 
It's quite possible that it is not an accuracy or reliability issue, the device may very well be as good as those fingertip ones doctors use; but a regulatory concern. Apple would not want to hold up its release while it gets FDA approval for it to be classified as a medical device in the US; and thus stresses it is not for medical use. Once they do all the testing, get the required proof of effectiveness, they may seek approval ; or simply point out how effective it is and let doctors and users decide how to use and interpret it.

This.

I think it might also help explain why the keynote felt a little flat: they couldn't get FDA approval in time, so they couldn't discuss its medical use at all, and had to be cagey of why this feature exists at all.
 
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Same here. I was thinking about getting one from my 80 year old dad who has issues with falling, is diabetic and has had heart issues.

Apple Watch does not have a blood sugar sensor. It has a blood oxygen sensor.

There is no such thing (yet) as non-invasive blood sugar sensors.
 
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Can we get a test between a pulse oximiter and the Apple Watch? It would be great to see what we’re are working with


Hi JM01,

I actually looked into that, as part of my “later adopter” research into the new apple watch. Hope the below helps.


Below are my notes - Happy for others to critique:


Is oxygen meter accurate?

  • Accurate, if sitting still – Below Utube link = compared with medical grade o2 finger sensor ($40)

  • However – can easily get unsuccessful readings – if moving etc.
  • However – only GET SNAPSHOTS – Not constant readings
 
The reason is likely due to some privacy issues. This is why Apple is marketing the AW SE instead of the Series 6 for this purpose. If it’s for a kid the primary reason will be communication and location tracking. For elderly it’s going to be fall detection, location tracking and a way to call for help.
 
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This.

I think it might also help explain why the keynote felt a little flat: they couldn't get FDA approval in time, so they couldn't discuss its medical use at all, and had to be cagey of why this feature exists at all.
FDA approval would just delay the feature and be zero benefit for customers.
 
The reason is likely due to some privacy issues. This is why Apple is marketing the AW SE instead of the Series 6 for this purpose. If it’s for a kid the primary reason will be communication and location tracking. For elderly it’s going to be fall detection, location tracking and a way to call for help.

I expect the reason to be technical. The iPhone is a single-user OS (UI-wise), but you're now pairing multiple users' watches. When collecting health data, where does it go?

Maybe in iOS 15, they'll extend this concept the Health app, letting you see metrics from your family. Then it can be collected and shown there. But for now, that isn't a thing.
 
I guess technically since I don't have an Apple watch, I could just get her a Series 6 and just connect it to my phone and monitor via the Health app? She's often at her house which has wifi set-up, so I'm assuming anything it records will be sent directly to the Health app on my phone...right? Any issues you can think of with this?
That might technically work, althogh I'm not sure if health data will sync back to the iPhone via Wi-Fi or if it needs to have a direct Bluetooth connection — it definitely required a direct connection originally for privacy and security reasons, but now that Apple allows health data to sync with end-to-end encryption via iCloud it may have extended that to the watch, although I wouldn't count on it as Apple doesn't relaly have any incentive to add direct sync, since most Apple Watch users have their iPhone nearby more often than not.

Even if this would work, however, I'm not sure you'd want your mom's data mixed up in your own Health app, since even though you don't own an Apple Watch, there's other data that may still get recorded in there. You'd have to make sure you don't use anything at all that ties into the Health app (e.g. exercise or diet apps), and even turn off things like step tracking, emergency SOS, your own medical ID, and of course you'd have to enter all of her stats like date of birth, height, weight, and so forth. The Health app is designed to track an overall health profile, so it would be weird having heart rate and blood oxygen data from your mom combined with your own step count, and some of the recommendations the health app would come up with might get skewed if there was a mismatch — conditions that might warrant an alert for an 80 year old woman wouldn't necessarily move the needle for a healthier 45-year-old.

Personally, I think it would probably be best just to pick up an inexpensive iPhone to pair with her Apple Watch. Even the 2015 iPhone 6s and 2016 iPhone SE support iOS 14 and can therefore still be used with the newest Apple Watch models.
 
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