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Killbynumbers

macrumors 6502a
May 29, 2019
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Why do Apple users continually assume that Windows don't own any Apple products like an iPhone?
There are lots of iPhone owners who are PC users not Mac users. Also, Windows are still used in many parts of the world, more than Macs, esp. in corporate settings.
I bought a 17" HP laptop over the weeekend because I missed using Windows. Haven't had a Windows laptop since the first iPhone. Unfortunatly between three Macs, iPad, watches, iPhones, I can't activate the Windows laptop with Apple, too many activations.
 

CarAnalogy

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Jun 9, 2021
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Don’t you love it when some companies tell you how to hack into others systems?

/s

Not sure the researcher was telling anyone to actually do it, but yes I do love it when security researchers find and report vulnerabilities. Because you can be certain there are other people out there just as smart who are also finding them, and either using or selling them instead of reporting them.
 

sparkinstx

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Nov 1, 2017
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I wonder how many iTunes users there still are. Especially on windows.
I've uninstalled it from all my Windows PCs at home. We only really used it to periodically back up iPhones, but since moving to iCloud backup, it's not necessary anymore.
 

MasterControlProgram

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May 5, 2022
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I still use iTunes on Windows, mainly to sync my modded iPod Classics. I hope there aren't going to be any more serious vulnerabilities as I don't want to replace iTunes with the new Music app; I strongly doubt the new app will support classic iPods (or sync movies/TV shows to them).
 

oldMacGenius

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Feb 7, 2018
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I wonder how many iTunes users there still are. Especially on windows.
Been platform agnostic since I started using computers - all hand me downs from others - Apple II, DOS, System 7, Windows 3.x/9x, and my own curiosity brought me to Linux and BeOS. I first used the first version of iTunes on Mac OS 9.

It’s only natural that I have been using iTunes for Windows since the first version of 4.1 in 2003 in my senior year of high school.

For me it’s insane to consider this much time has gone by, as in 2003 the Macintosh hadn’t even been out that long.

In 2003 Apple had no product that lasted as long as iTunes for Windows today, nearly 20 years old now.

Today, this might still be the case if the iMac and MacOS was not around.

Admittedly, iTunes worked better on the Mac, even then. But the PC version was a lot better than using the original software Apple shipped with the iPod: MusicMatch Jukebox.
 
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PC is a farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr larger world than the bubble in which we Mac people play. Pay attention and you'll see DOS apps still running in relatively important settings- like hospitals. DOS! I just bumped into it in dominant use with a not-poor client only 3 years ago.

I would wild guess- and it is just that as I have no data to support it- there is more-to-far-more active iTunes users than Mac owners. :eek:

Here's a surprising(?) PCmag quote from only 4 years ago...



I clicked a link into the store to see where it ranks now. It's #2, right behind WhatsApp and still ahead of Netflix and Spotify.
I always say the world runs on windows, starbucks runs on MacOS. Nothing wrong with either platform at this point. Both are fun A/F to use.
 
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HobeSoundDarryl

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I always say the world runs on windows, starbucks runs on MacOS. Nothing wrong with either platform at this point. Both are fun A/F to use.

Apple Silicon basically forced me to buy my first PC in about 16+ years... as I had to have access to full Windows (not just ARM Windows) too for work. I find Windows 11 quite Mac like in many ways and I could get a relatively loaded PC for only a portion of what I would spend on a work Mac. Upgrades for RAM and SSD were "bargain" compared to getting either from only one source... as it used to be for our Macs.

Since I knew I was going this way, I opted for a NOT Apple monitor so I could share the screen with both computers with no finicky issues. So now I have a 5K ultra-wide Mac (feels like my former iMac 27" but much more screen RE) and I can even split screen to run both Mac and PC side by side (kind of Parallels-like except no annual "subscription" required). Built-in hub has a variety of useful ports in 2023 instead of only 1 type and a single keyboard and mouse can be used with both platforms.

Now I do as much as I can on my Mac but easily hop right into full Windows when needed. A true PC also opened up a much larger world of applications generally not available on Mac. It's great to have choices and the right tools for the job.
 
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Apple Silicon basically forced me to buy my first PC in about 16+ years... as I had to have access to full Windows (not just ARM Windows) too for work. I find Windows 11 quite Mac like in many ways and I could get a relatively loaded PC for only a portion of what I would spend on a work Mac. Upgrades for RAM and SSD were "bargain" compared to getting either from only one source... as it used to be for our Macs.

Since I knew I was going this way, I opted for a NOT Apple monitor so I could share the screen with both computers with no finicky issues. So now I have a 5K ultra-wide Mac (feels like my former iMac 27" but much more screen RE) and I can even split screen to run both Mac and PC side by side (kind of Parallels-like except no annual "subscription" required). Built-in hub has a variety of useful ports in 2023 instead of only 1 type and a single keyboard and mouse can be used with both platforms.

Now I do as much as I can on my Mac but easily hop right into full Windows when needed. A true PC also opened up a much larger world of applications generally not available on Mac. It's great to have choices and the right tools for the job.
Exactly. I am tip toeing on buying a mac right now. I think I am just going to buy a couple of intel based units for now. Mini and macbook. I have been going all over the place with this. I want a desktop and notebook mac. That being said, I just got my son a new to him dell, so I may just put opencore on his old system to play with MacOS.
 
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HobeSoundDarryl

macrumors G5
It reads like you are mostly a Windows guy now. If so, consider a great Windows laptop (with dock) and maybe a Mac Mini (refurb). Then you would have Windows laptop + desktop in one and a low cost Mac that is quite capable too.

OR, if you think you want to swing hard the Apple way, flip that into a great Mac laptop and dock and maybe a Mac Mini-like PC box for typically less than Mac Mini prices.

I probably would NOT buy an Intel Mac at this stage. Once the last of them switch- Mac Pro (rumored as soon as WWDC on Monday)- Apple will likely be quick to phase out Intel and Rosetta 2 support for Mac OS. I was there for the first round, PowerPC-to-Intel and things went very fast once the last Mac dropped PowerPC.
 
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onenorth

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Sep 15, 2021
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I wonder how many iTunes users there still are. Especially on windows.
Except for a few years in the early 1990s when I was developing HyperCard stacks on Macs, I have been on Microsoft since this... We exist!


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msackey

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Oct 8, 2020
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Isn't it ironic that Apple software introduces a vulnerability to Windows?
Maybe it used to be ironic, back like 15 years ago. But not any more.

I think the Mac vs. Windows war is LONG over. There may still be users out there who are "Macs or else" or "Windows or else" camp, but it looks to me that both platforms co-exist. Heck, I use Windows at work and Mac at home. It's been like that for many years now. And, my institution supports both platforms. Some departments in my institution use Macs only, some Windows only, some both.
 

SpaceCrystal

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Jan 19, 2021
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I wonder how many iTunes users there still are. Especially on windows.
The only reason I’m still using iTunes For Windows, is because I don’t have a iPhone (yet) & because Apple TV in general doesn’t offer a iTunes music app like they do for movies & TV shows.

Heck, people shouldn’t even need iTunes for Windows if you have something like a iPhone, a iPad, a iMac, a MacBook or even a iPod Touch just to store music & build a music library through the Apple Music app that you bought from the iTunes store.
 
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Yes TRS-80 and Atari 800 pre-DOS years, but not Commodore.
I had the Vic-20, C64 and this wild HUGE version with 2 drives and separate tape drive. I tried to google it, but could not find it. it was not a regular 128, as that was the same as the C64. This thing was HUGE!
 
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George, You can thumbs down me all you want, it does not make my statement any less accurate. Hackers want maximum carnage, info etc. The amount of windows based systems are 100 times that of macs in the world. That is a FACT. Windows is on over 70 percent of computer systems world wide. macOS is just above 14 percent. Then the others are sprinkled over the remaining percentages.

MacOS is not some magical operating system that is "hackproof". There are many vulnerabilities in it, it's just pointless to hack them because of the small number in use.

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1284814

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Sep 20, 2021
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So if you don't update it an iTunes user can get admin access to the windows machine, but only an admin user can update iTunes.
I think this vulnerability will impact people who share their computers with others, if it’s only one user on the computer the update is not necessary if you are using iTunes 12.6.5 for the app management feature .
 

I7guy

macrumors Nehalem
Nov 30, 2013
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Gotta be in it to win it
Apple must not have thought this was a very serious vulnerability if it took them nine months to create the fix. That might be somewhat reasonable if they haven't seen or heard of this vulnerability being exploited in real-world malware (and to be fair, it was only a local escalation vulnerability, rather than remote), but two months just to confirm the issue also seems a little slow.

I wonder how much of that time was eaten up by internal bureaucracy such as legal procedures regarding admitting to a vulnerability. It's interesting that the most valuable company in the world operates like this, while I'd expect quicker acknowledgement and remediation from much lesser-funded open-source projects.
Probably decided to move this down to the bottom of the list due to physical access being required as well as admin access. So the threat while real requires specific actions and circumstances as well as physical access.
 

1284814

macrumors regular
Sep 20, 2021
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I think this vulnerability will impact people who share their computers with others, if it’s only one user on the computer the update is not necessary if you are using iTunes 12.6.5 for the app management feature .
Thanks for com=firming I wanted to make sure.
 
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