6 x 2 GB isn't that expensive.How is 12 gigabytes of DDR3 RAM only a $170 add-on?
Yes I'm sure that Microsoft has won with Windows 7 and it's over Apple is finished now on the hardware side too.
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Psystar Exits Bankruptcy, Launches New Xeon-Based Systems Running OS X
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exactly...I was about to write the same thing...one can wish it would start at that price
Tictacs? Like this you mean?
If you can buy my product, repackage it, and manage to sell it at a profit be my guest. For every one that you sell, it means that it's also one that I sell. Now, if I was smart I would see what you are doing and realize that I'm missing some market with my original product (if changing the package is all you really need to do in order to net a profit). I would then change my product to capture that market.
Ownership headaches
You know, I can see buying a Psystar for the novelty factor of owning an inexpensive, powerful OSX machine, but it would be impractical otherwise. Apple will surely put out updates that break functionality and cripple it; keeping your OS updated with the latest patches and security fixes would be a constant headache.
You know, I can see buying a Psystar for the novelty factor of owning an inexpensive, powerful OSX machine, but it would be impractical otherwise. Apple will surely put out updates that break functionality and cripple it; keeping your OS updated with the latest patches and security fixes would be a constant headache.
This is not 100% true, if you limit it to the last 5 years or to 64Bit only then you have 3 chipsets that Apple already have the drivers for 2 of them.
That leaves 1 chipset and expanding the GPU drivers to include more of Nvideas and Ati's GPU's than currently supported and these are made with a universal architecture per generation so its essentially the same driver per family or family's of GPU.
Finally there is the rather prominent base of Creative sound cards. The other items are irrelevant, as these would be usb devises and such that will work or won't or specialist devices be it pci, pci x or pcie that the manufactures would provide drivers if there is a large enough user base such as present with 3G wireless devices and pen tablets.
The millions of configurations you speak of is a miss conception, it is usually a family of products that share the same driver. Intel, Nvidea, and AMD will not go out of there way to make a requirement for the need of thousands of different drivers. And the people who would be buying OSX would do so under the same premise there used to with Windows which is expecting some hardware not to work out of the box but also expecting USB devices to work out of the box.
These users once roped in with OSX will be more willing to continue to buy only OSX and related products and this is where you would see a mass uptake in the buying of real Mac's and many more device manufactures jumping on board.
Actually, BK wouldn't have any bearing on Apple's ability to demand damages. Only on their ability to collect if they're awarded.
If Prystar ultimately loses, they'll just file BK again and go out of business so that they won't have to pay Apple anything. That being said, Apple isn't suing them for money, so that doesn't matter. They just want them to stop making Apple clones, and they don't care how that happens, as long as it does.
And what happens to Psystar when Apple stops selling full-install retail OS X boxes?
OS X already comes with every Mac, the only reason why you'd need a retail copy is to upgrade to a newer version. And Apple can simply sell upgrade-only discs for that and require a your Mac serial number to upgrade.
Or if you lose your disc. But again, when you call Apple to get those replacement discs you already need your serial # for that right now.
Or am I missing something?
OS X already comes with every Mac, the only reason why you'd need a retail copy is to upgrade to a newer version. And Apple can simply sell upgrade-only discs for that and require a your Mac serial number to upgrade.
Or if you lose your disc. But again, when you call Apple to get those replacement discs you already need your serial # for that right now.
Or am I missing something?
Pystar is not exactly competition for Apple as Pystar doesn't spend any money to develop OSX, it simply uses OSX to sell it's own configurations.
Microsoft is a competitor to Apple, as it spends its own money to develop its own software, even if it does not sell the software on its own hardware.
For Pystar to be a true competitor, it would have to develop its own software instead of essentially stealing the fruit of Apples labor.
Apple reinvests its profits in developing better hardware and software, and given Apples diminutive size it needs to charge more in order to develop its awesome technology.
A company like Pystar simply cuts into Apples profits, giving Apple less capital in reinvest in new technology as the money they planned to make by selling their own product is being used to make a profit for someone else.
Pystar is not an Apple competitor in the true sense of the word, Pystar is a parasite that takes what Apple has developed to make a profit and gives nothing in return.
I like the low price of Pystar products, but I also realize that I am not helping Apple any by essentially rewarding Pystar for something that Apple developed.
Microsoft is a competitor to Apple, as it spends its own money to develop its own software, even if it does not sell the software on its own hardware.
For Pystar to be a true competitor, it would have to develop its own software instead of essentially stealing the fruit of Apples labor.
Apple reinvests its profits in developing better hardware and software, and given Apples diminutive size it needs to charge more in order to develop its awesome technology.
A company like Pystar simply cuts into Apples profits, giving Apple less capital in reinvest in new technology as the money they planned to make by selling their own product is being used to make a profit for someone else.
Pystar is not an Apple competitor in the true sense of the word, Pystar is a parasite that takes what Apple has developed to make a profit and gives nothing in return.
I like the low price of Pystar products, but I also realize that I am not helping Apple any by essentially rewarding Pystar for something that Apple developed.
You're forgetting about gazillions of no name/generic usb devices from taiwan, honk kong, china...etc. Their horrific drivers screw up any OS.
Of course big players will properly adn carefully release drivers, it's the little players that suck.
Now Stay Down!
Barely took a standing 8 count before they get knocked silly. Fools. They have no legal leg to stand on.
Barely took a standing 8 count before they get knocked silly. Fools. They have no legal leg to stand on.
What a scam
open(7) for 1499$?? At that price it doesn't even include Wifi, Bluetooth, FW800 (let alone a decent number of FW400 ports). Heck, by the time I had put in the minimal specs I was already at 2000$... And at that price, you still have no guarantee you'll be able to update the OS in the future? Thanks but no thanks... A high-end iMac or low-end Mac Pro looks WAY more attractive.
This is almost as shameful as those Dell adds that promote prices on the back of you local papers... Not sure you'd ever want to buy the machines they advertise "as-is".
open(7) for 1499$?? At that price it doesn't even include Wifi, Bluetooth, FW800 (let alone a decent number of FW400 ports). Heck, by the time I had put in the minimal specs I was already at 2000$... And at that price, you still have no guarantee you'll be able to update the OS in the future? Thanks but no thanks... A high-end iMac or low-end Mac Pro looks WAY more attractive.
This is almost as shameful as those Dell adds that promote prices on the back of you local papers... Not sure you'd ever want to buy the machines they advertise "as-is".
Palm made iTunes think the Pre is an iPod, so I'm guessing it probably won't be all that tough for Prystar to fool OS X...at least until Apple releases a patch to fix it.
Again, they make the majority of their profits on hardware, which pays for the R&D that goes into that OS you love. Eliminate hardware profits and you eliminate Apple.
These gazillion generic/no name usb devices are already open to a real mac so the issue would not be any different and many are built on the generic usb profiles.
And we know this how? When asked to provide evidence of this, suddenly the records had been "lost".
I couldn't find that information. Given the debt Psystar owed and the creditors, it is surprising that Psystar could have sold enough computers to emerge on their earnings alone. This is just speculation, but I wonder if another backer has offered up cash to allow them to emerge from chapter 11? After all, the issues are pretty clear. Will the court allow Apple to use the EULA for its operating system to control hardware over which they have no intellectual property rights? If Psystar were selling shares in a damage suit against Apple and its billions in the bank, I'd buy.
Its not "illegal" but it is against the EULA. The legality of the EULA was in dispute and the court case didn't finish.
I don't see how a company as tiny as Psystar is can be seen to be "picking" on Apple. More like the other way around tbh.
Who was the idiot claimed they should write their own OS? Thats completely missing the point, and not as easy as you seem to think it is. If you want to see Apple's real attitude to Open Source look at the OpenDarwin project which shutdown because they felt it was "a mere hosting facility for Mac OS X related projects". There's another project and its command line only.
A healthy internet requires a diversity of operating systems to prevent the easy spread of viruses. Fact is, a large proportion of internet users simply can't afford Apple's prices, and aren't technically minded enough to install Linux. Apple should be forced to license their OS and then we would see if the Apple experience of tightly integrated harware and OS is really all its fans think it is. Let other manufacturers make their own machines, and let the customer decide if they want to pay for Apple's "high grade" hardware or hardware that just does its job.
I don't see how a company as tiny as Psystar is can be seen to be "picking" on Apple. More like the other way around tbh.
Who was the idiot claimed they should write their own OS? Thats completely missing the point, and not as easy as you seem to think it is. If you want to see Apple's real attitude to Open Source look at the OpenDarwin project which shutdown because they felt it was "a mere hosting facility for Mac OS X related projects". There's another project and its command line only.
A healthy internet requires a diversity of operating systems to prevent the easy spread of viruses. Fact is, a large proportion of internet users simply can't afford Apple's prices, and aren't technically minded enough to install Linux. Apple should be forced to license their OS and then we would see if the Apple experience of tightly integrated harware and OS is really all its fans think it is. Let other manufacturers make their own machines, and let the customer decide if they want to pay for Apple's "high grade" hardware or hardware that just does its job.
Um you really do not seem to understand hardware. There are thousands of products they would have to include support for drivers for and millions of configurations that would be possible. You can not sell a operating system for a non closed hardware platform without considering all the different vendors. You list creative labs sound cards as an example. Do you know how many different brands of sound cards are out there? And yes a lot of them will use similar drivers but you can not as a company pick and choose. If your product is going to work on a clone that allows people to pick whatever brand they want you have to support EVERY brand or face anti-trust violations since you can not say "only supports creative labs sound cards". It would be the equivalent of Microsoft releasing the next version of Windows and saying only works on AMD processors. They would be in court so fast your head would still be spinning. You write off PCI cards and such without realizing that yes the drivers do come from the company that makes those cards but the average consumer is not going to see that when they install that card and their system crashes, they will call the OS manufacturer because they don't think of the individual cards. If Apple releases for general PC market the quality of the OS will end up the same as Windows because they will have to make it to be stable with thousands of drivers and configurations (and we have seen how wonderful Microsoft has been able to do that) and they will have to deal with calls from customers who don't realize that just because it can be installed in their computer running OS X doesn't mean that Apple has anything to do with it. After all if its a popular item surely Apple would have people trained in it.
I'll be cheering on goliath on this one. The reason why I like apple is exactly because they control hardware and software so their products are not sheit, like the PC's I was idiotic enought to endure for so long out of pure ignorance.
You know, I bet Uncle Billy is somehow involved in this behind the scenes.
You know, I bet Uncle Billy is somehow involved in this behind the scenes.
Not unless they gave it away for free to the OEMs. The OEMs are so enslaved to Microsoft via contractual agreements to ship Windows that even if you chose OS X, you'd still have to pay for a Windows license since it is effectively part of every system sold just like the CPU or HDD.
It's why the HP workstations we buy cost more with Linux then they do with Windows.