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Psystar Halts Sales of Mac Clones, Plans Legal Appeal

JAT said:
While I agree that their claims are likely to lose, this is the legal system as set up by us. They have every right to claim a judge (or jury) is incorrect, that is the definition of appeal. It is not, however, priceless. No doubt it will cost somebody quite a bit. :D

So, your complaints here are really about the legal system, not Psystar. It's funny that sometimes you agree with it, and sometimes you don't. Maybe if you were consistent in anything but "Rah, Rah, Apple!!", other forumites would respect you more.
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They have a very high burden to overcome, and the record in the case is not on their side (for example, the appeals court will not consider things that were not plead by Psystar).

I wonder if the circuit court will even take the appeal.
 
JAT said:
While I agree that their claims are likely to lose, this is the legal system as set up by us. They have every right to claim a judge (or jury) is incorrect, that is the definition of appeal. It is not, however, priceless. No doubt it will cost somebody quite a bit. :D

So, your complaints here are really about the legal system, not Psystar. It's funny that sometimes you agree with it, and sometimes you don't. Maybe if you were consistent in anything but "Rah, Rah, Apple!!", other forumites would respect you more.
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My comment had nothing to do with the legal system. Obviously, Psystar is going to appeal. Parties often do it as a matter of course. My comment was that they're delusional if they seriously think they're going to get anywhere. They might have simply appealed as a matter of course, but I wasn't referring to this possibility.

And the sensible thing to do with respect to the Psystar case is to support Apple and any other individual or company that finds themselves in the position of being ripped off in a similar manner.
 
jeznav said:
I guess Apple might put the TPM chip in it's next hardware refresh. But then it's going to be difficult to maintain the non-chipped motherboard we have today.

Also, even if they trim vendor IDs and CPU IDs from the system, there's always a hack for that.

"Apple! You shouldve implemented the TPM chip back in Intel transition!"
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I doubt they will implement TPM (too much consumer paranoia - at AMD we ditched TPM because we wanted to differentiate from Intel and pretend we were the CPUs for good guys), and there are simpler ways of going about it (though many of the better ways would require a network connection).
 
If Apple rally wanted to give them Ol' in out, in out. They could say, go ahead and install it on your machines as long as it is purchased directly form apple (not retail) for the going price of $1000 per license and Pystar cannot sell the machines without it as well assume all support responsibilities. That would really put a hamper on things without the legal issues.
 
elhungarian said:
Wirelessly posted (BlackBerry9530/4.7.0.109 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/105)

So how can psystar afford more potential law suits when they have only sold 768 machines?
2.7 million $ and 768 machines. Hmm..
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Today class we will be answering this question. Please open your books to Chapter 7 ... ;)
 
soundbwoy said:
If Apple rally wanted to give them Ol' in out, in out. They could say, go ahead and install it on your machines as long as it is purchased directly form apple (not retail) for the going price of $1000 per license and Pystar cannot sell the machines without it as well assume all support responsibilities. That would really put a hamper on things without the legal issues.
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This is assuming Psystar doesn't ignore the licensure requirements ad they currently are.
 
scottness said:
An appeal? Are you kidding me? I wish I had money to keep myself amused in a losing legal pursuit.
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Everyone has the right to an appeal in case a travesty of justice occurs.

ANIM8R said:
Today class we will be answering this question. Please open your books to Chapter 7 ... ;)
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Not for awhile - they allready filed for bankruptcy and part of their agreement for escaping it was that they could not re-file for another year. They still have 8 months left.
 
jeznav said:
I guess Apple might put the TPM chip in it's next hardware refresh. But then it's going to be difficult to maintain the non-chipped motherboard we have today.

Also, even if they trim vendor IDs and CPU IDs from the system, there's always a hack for that.

"Apple! You shouldve implemented the TPM chip back in Intel transition!"
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It's apple sheep like you that make me sick, sure pystar was in the wrong a bit, but I am absolutely sure that apple is ignoring there customers by not offering us a mid grade tower. there is a HUGE market for a mac desktop with a coreI7 that doesn't cost 2500 bucks with no monitor. We need something in between the mac mini and mac pro. The way you talk about implementing a TPM chip makes it sound like your the type that wouldn't mind us all having chips implanted into our heads for our "protection" having apple open source might not be a bad thing if you want apple to become more main stream.
 
GIVE IT UP Psystar, I don't like what you're doing. Trying to profit in this way is absolute bollocks.

Yes, I own a hackintosh but for me it's a hobby machine (I love to tinker with things and troubleshoot why the latest thing has gone wrong - it's the ex PC owner that likes things to break)
 
badapple18 said:
It's apple sheep like you that make me sick, sure pystar was in the wrong a bit, but I am absolutely sure that apple is ignoring there customers by not offering us a mid grade tower. there is a HUGE market for a mac desktop with a coreI7 that doesn't cost 2500 bucks with no monitor. We need something in between the mac mini and mac pro. The way you talk about implementing a TPM chip makes it sound like your the type that wouldn't mind us all having chips implanted into our heads for our "protection" having apple open source might not be a bad thing if you want apple to become more main stream.
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Your error is assuming that Apple should cater to its customers - that is not correct. Its sole obligations is to make money. Apple has made it very clear that there are some segments of the market that they will not cater to - that is their God given right as intellectual property owners. They have no obligation to no-one but themselves.

Your sense of entitlement is very misguided. It matters not what you want. Apple offers something - if they do not offer what you want you have the choice of going with something that does or get nothing. You have no rights to OSX outside of what Apple is willing to offer. Take it or leave it.
 
What does Apple gain with this settlement?

What does Apple gain by agreeing at this stage?

They don't get money, they don't get Psystar to stop appeals, what do they get?
 
MattBaker said:
What does Apple gain by agreeing at this stage?

They don't get money, they don't get Psystar to stop appeals, what do they get?
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Well assuming their injunction succeeded, they get to move on with more relivant case matters. They know that Psystar is likely to not pay, thats why they filed the injunction - to stop Psystar from damaging Apples business any further.

It is not about money at this point, but they aren't going to waste their time when they can accomplish their needs by getting an injunction and waiting until Psystar echausts themselves in a failed appeal process. Apple wants to end this and end Pystars business. This was just house cleaning.
 
... Slightly off thread topic, but Psystar related so,...

While there are so many wondering if there were some big company behind Psystar, financing this -- what if it's what Apple wanted all along: a small company that could/would take the lawsuits only so far.

I think this whole suit was in their best interest. It tells bigger companies with much deeper pockets, you're going to lose if you try the same or something similar.

Could Apple have instigated this whole thing?

I really don't think so -- but I think it's an interesting "what if"? ;)
 
badapple18 said:
It's apple sheep like you that make me sick, sure pystar was in the wrong a bit, but I am absolutely sure that apple is ignoring there customers by not offering us a mid grade tower. there is a HUGE market for a mac desktop with a coreI7 that doesn't cost 2500 bucks with no monitor. We need something in between the mac mini and mac pro. The way you talk about implementing a TPM chip makes it sound like your the type that wouldn't mind us all having chips implanted into our heads for our "protection" having apple open source might not be a bad thing if you want apple to become more main stream.
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First of all, if the market was as big as you think it is, they'd be doing it. Apple enjoys making money. The fact that you want something doesn't mean there is a "huge market" for it. Something like 75% of apple's sales are laptops. That doesn't leave a "huge market" for the rest.

Second, accusing him of being in favor of "having chips implanted into our heads" is a moronic, histrionic, overstatement.
 
pdjudd said:
Your error is assuming that Apple should cater to its customers - that is not correct. Its sole obligations is to make money. Apple has made it very clear that there are some segments of the market that they will not cater to - that is their God given right as intellectual property owners. They have no obligation to no-one but themselves.

Your sense of entitlement is very misguided. It matters not what you want. Apple offers something - if they do not offer what you want you have the choice of going with something that does or get nothing. You have no rights to OSX outside of what Apple is willing to offer. Take it or leave it.
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Sense of Entitlement? Did i say i went out and bought an apple clone? did i say i built my own hackintosh? actually I said i wanted to purchase one. I use my macbook pro everyday and enjoy it. I would love to have a nice tower with a few hard drives and a decent processor with a monitor/monitors of my choosing (ones that don't cost an arm and a leg that are still good quality) and this is why when i get home i still maintain my 1 household PC for all of my media, backups, network storage and backup for my wife's macbook and my previously mentioned macbook pro. but i will be damned if i will spend 2500 bucks for the base model mac pro which is clearly over priced
 
badapple18 said:
It's apple sheep like you that make me sick, sure pystar was in the wrong a bit, but I am absolutely sure that apple is ignoring there customers by not offering us a mid grade tower. there is a HUGE market for a mac desktop with a coreI7 that doesn't cost 2500 bucks with no monitor. We need something in between the mac mini and mac pro. The way you talk about implementing a TPM chip makes it sound like your the type that wouldn't mind us all having chips implanted into our heads for our "protection" having apple open source might not be a bad thing if you want apple to become more main stream.
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Umm, you have no clue what you are talking about. Mac OSX is already opensource.

Methinks you're a Linux troll in disguise.
 
JGowan said:
... Slightly off thread topic, but Psystar related so,...

While there are so many wondering if there were some big company behind Psystar, financing this -- what if it's what Apple wanted all along: a small company that could/would take the lawsuits only so far.

I think this whole suit was in their best interest. It tells bigger companies with much deeper pockets, you're going to lose if you try the same or something similar.

Could Apple have instigated this whole thing?

I really don't think so -- but I think it's an interesting "what if"? ;)
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The courts do not like having their time wasted by companies essentially suing themselves - no way Apple could have gotten away with it especially when Psystars debtors are publicly known and contain no big companies.
 
badapple18 said:
Sense of Entitlement? Did i say i went out and bought an apple clone? did i say i built my own hackintosh? actually I said i wanted to purchase one. I use my macbook pro everyday and enjoy it. I would love to have a nice tower with a few hard drives and a decent processor with a monitor/monitors of my choosing (ones that don't cost an arm and a leg that are still good quality) and this is why when i get home i still maintain my 1 household PC for all of my media, backups, network storage and backup for my wife's macbook and my previously mentioned macbook pro. but i will be damned if i will spend 2500 bucks for the base model mac pro which is clearly over priced
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So? You're awfully defensive. I think we've hit a soft spot. Don't like the price... don't one.
 
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