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Psystar Mac Notebook Clone in the Works
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"Well they're paying for the OS so why shouldn't they be able to do it?"
Give me a break. OSX is not priced so cheaply because it was easy to develop.
Apple's pricing structure is their business. It's like when companies pull apart game consoles and say "well... this is only $400 worth of hardware... but they're charging $700. What a rip!". The software takes a lot of time and costs a lot of money.. but nobody wants to pay for it. Apple has done the smart thing here and taken the same route as mobile phones and game consoles -- you ignore the price of the software, but quietly pay more for the hardware.
The cheap price of Leopard is purely to encourage the majority of the market to upgrade so they can stop supporting Tiger as early as possible. It is completely irrespective of its value...
Psystar are a bunch of rip-off merchants.
- They rip off Apple by convincing customers that their cheap rip-offs are the same thing when they're not.
- They rip off OSX86 by taking the credit.
- They rip off the consumer by taking a concept intended for the computer literate, putting their profit margin on it, and not warning people of the potential problems that can arise.
Edit:
I'd also just like to say that this thread shows just how idiotic the whole "MATTE IS GOD" concept is.
Here, have some facts:
"I DON'T WANT TO MOVE AWAY FROM THE WINDOW!!!111"
With matte, incoming light is dissipated evenly. With gloss, it is reflected the same way it came in. This difference means that in bright light (e.g. near a window, on a bus), a matte screen will go grey and is practically unusable, whereas a gloss screen will create an annoying reflection and leave the rest of the screen visible.
"I USE MATTE IN THE INDUSTRY BECAUSE IT GIVES ME BETTER COLOUR"
Completely wrong and has no factual basis. If you're under a yellow light, enjoy your slightly yellow tint that you won't notice because of the dissipation. Reflections leave the rest of the screen untainted and are obvious, so you can tilt your head to offset them. Of the two, while the difference is minimal, gloss will give more vivid colours.
"I'M A PROFESSIONAL AND MATTE IS THE ACCEPTED STANDARD"
Oh... oh right, I'm sure the industry will love you for your Psystar Notebook with the cheapest, nastiest screen they could find.
Also... gloss means less backlight needed which means your battery will last longer.
Give me a break. OSX is not priced so cheaply because it was easy to develop.
Apple's pricing structure is their business. It's like when companies pull apart game consoles and say "well... this is only $400 worth of hardware... but they're charging $700. What a rip!". The software takes a lot of time and costs a lot of money.. but nobody wants to pay for it. Apple has done the smart thing here and taken the same route as mobile phones and game consoles -- you ignore the price of the software, but quietly pay more for the hardware.
The cheap price of Leopard is purely to encourage the majority of the market to upgrade so they can stop supporting Tiger as early as possible. It is completely irrespective of its value...
Psystar are a bunch of rip-off merchants.
- They rip off Apple by convincing customers that their cheap rip-offs are the same thing when they're not.
- They rip off OSX86 by taking the credit.
- They rip off the consumer by taking a concept intended for the computer literate, putting their profit margin on it, and not warning people of the potential problems that can arise.
Edit:
I'd also just like to say that this thread shows just how idiotic the whole "MATTE IS GOD" concept is.
Here, have some facts:
"I DON'T WANT TO MOVE AWAY FROM THE WINDOW!!!111"
With matte, incoming light is dissipated evenly. With gloss, it is reflected the same way it came in. This difference means that in bright light (e.g. near a window, on a bus), a matte screen will go grey and is practically unusable, whereas a gloss screen will create an annoying reflection and leave the rest of the screen visible.
"I USE MATTE IN THE INDUSTRY BECAUSE IT GIVES ME BETTER COLOUR"
Completely wrong and has no factual basis. If you're under a yellow light, enjoy your slightly yellow tint that you won't notice because of the dissipation. Reflections leave the rest of the screen untainted and are obvious, so you can tilt your head to offset them. Of the two, while the difference is minimal, gloss will give more vivid colours.
"I'M A PROFESSIONAL AND MATTE IS THE ACCEPTED STANDARD"
Oh... oh right, I'm sure the industry will love you for your Psystar Notebook with the cheapest, nastiest screen they could find.
Also... gloss means less backlight needed which means your battery will last longer.
Hmm, I wish I had known that before buying my MBP...although they're probably more bulky and heavier.
But that 12" barebones notebook...reminds me of my beloved 12" iBook G3...it was just the right size for pretty much everything.
It all depends how good it is.
My family usually sticks with Apple products (Apple II+, Apple IIe, another Apple IIe, Performa 600 bought from Apple's CFO, a family friend, iMac, iBook, Dual Power Mac, Apple Display used on Compac PC tower, iPod Nano, and Mini Mac), but I do use Microsoft Office and it comes in handy. I love Apple speakers, but my cheap Cambridge speakers do the job just fine. Everything I buy does not have to come from Apple Inc.
As long as I am not forever stuck in Microsoft Windows, I am quite happy.
I look forward to seeing how this clone laptop works out. Instead of a lawsuit, Apple should impose a fair royalty settlement. I admit to a clone and it was a Power Tower Pro from 1996 and it was amazing. It had OS 8.1 and the OS was extremely stable. I have nothing but great things to say for Power Computing's offer to the market.
My family usually sticks with Apple products (Apple II+, Apple IIe, another Apple IIe, Performa 600 bought from Apple's CFO, a family friend, iMac, iBook, Dual Power Mac, Apple Display used on Compac PC tower, iPod Nano, and Mini Mac), but I do use Microsoft Office and it comes in handy. I love Apple speakers, but my cheap Cambridge speakers do the job just fine. Everything I buy does not have to come from Apple Inc.
As long as I am not forever stuck in Microsoft Windows, I am quite happy.
I look forward to seeing how this clone laptop works out. Instead of a lawsuit, Apple should impose a fair royalty settlement. I admit to a clone and it was a Power Tower Pro from 1996 and it was amazing. It had OS 8.1 and the OS was extremely stable. I have nothing but great things to say for Power Computing's offer to the market.
Ah, these Psystar folks are gluttons for punishment. Either they have a legal ace up their sleeve, or they are just mugging for the camera and their 15 minutes of fame. Should be interesting to see how it plays out.
But people are coming around to the apple side these days, a "closed and controlled system" has better quality control. Cell phone companies are a a lot closer to the closed model. With most of our computing moving to the cloud, OS is nearly irrelevant.
Notebook, yes that can be an issue.
86% percent of Apple's "net income" comes from iPod, iTunes, and iPod add ons. It doesn't affect the bottom line that much for the company.
Apple's net income for laptops slightly outpaces their net income for desktops. Apple Inc is a minor player in computers, but THE player in downloads and MP3 players.
There is no high tech company that has a dominance in any area close to what Apple Inc. has on iPods and iTunes. I have met plenty of people refer to my computer as that from that iPod "company". And this is a nationwide trend.
While the iPod may not have saved Apple Inc from bankruptcy, it has made Apple a top player in high tech among the likes of Sony, Microsoft, Oracle, IBM, and Dell and today we can proudly use the term "Apple Inc" in the same sentence as any of those far richer giants.
Some of those companies have 30 times the employees of Apple Inc. The biggest high tech firm, Applied Inc. business group which includes Intel, has 80 times more employees than Apple Inc.
So for a tiny, teeny, spot of a company, Apple Inc. has made a huge splash.
"apple labelled"
This whole thing of only running OS X on "Apple labelled" devices is intriguing to me. Is "Labelled" a legal term of art, or do you just have to stick an apple label on the hardware to make it ok?
'Cause I've got a bunch of Apple stickers I got with some iPods which could legitimise the kids Hackintosh...
This whole thing of only running OS X on "Apple labelled" devices is intriguing to me. Is "Labelled" a legal term of art, or do you just have to stick an apple label on the hardware to make it ok?
'Cause I've got a bunch of Apple stickers I got with some iPods which could legitimise the kids Hackintosh...
Oh yes, better quality control and I am thankful for it. and yes, everything is moving closer to the cloud - funny.
Dumb/smart terminals connected to a main frame -> PC's -> lower PC's connected to a server (yes even the internet you are on a server some where).
We come full circle, well close - although I worry about having my info in a cloud.
in a way I still think there should be some sort of OSX that we can install on any machine. It stinks to have to run onenote on my windows desktop, CP Notebook (which is better) on my macbook, and then possibly something else on Linux (or bite the MS bullet and get an XP netbook.
This is the netbook, I am looking at - but I will give Apple until macworld to answer our wishes on a mini tablet....
http://www.dynamism.com/#Product=gigabyte_m912
Kohjinsha has one with a DVD burner, but it is almost double the price.
http://www.dynamism.com/#Product=kohjinsha_sx
well, then the apple sticker I have over my Dell logo on my work machine would work then Now they will have to change the wording from labelled to built.
I read this thread the other day and all I can say is - yes! I agree. I was tempted many years back by the Powercomputing offerings, but never did though. I wouldn't mind trying a hackintosh myself, but then I would know the risks involved. If I buy an
then I know I get the full support for the hardware too. If they keep going though, then go
...Modbooks are licensed by apple to run OSX because they are just modified macbooks. The modbooks are were all made by apple originally as MacBooks.
But it's still built by Axiotron.
Actually, it is still built by Apple then rebuilt by Axiotron.
Clone
Except it won't really be a clone, because all it will be is just another piece of **** case with OSX jammed onto it. No thanks, I'll drop the extra change on the real thing.
Except it won't really be a clone, because all it will be is just another piece of **** case with OSX jammed onto it. No thanks, I'll drop the extra change on the real thing.
Clones
Apple almost went bankrupt because of the clones. The Clone makers (Motoral,APC,PowerComputing,Supper Mac and, Raidius (Did I miss any one?)) where making machines cheeper and faster the Apple's. People where going to the clones and not buying Apple's Mac. This is the reason Steve Jobs kill the clone market.
Side Note: Apple bought out Power Computing at the end.
Hugh
Apple almost went bankrupt because of the clones. The Clone makers (Motoral,APC,PowerComputing,Supper Mac and, Raidius (Did I miss any one?)) where making machines cheeper and faster the Apple's. People where going to the clones and not buying Apple's Mac. This is the reason Steve Jobs kill the clone market.
Side Note: Apple bought out Power Computing at the end.
Hugh
Out of business
With $25B in the bank I don't think Apple is going out of business any time soon. And since when did the IBM clone army have better marketing? Apple's closed system is what makes it Apple. They have been doing pretty well with that strategy since Steve returned. I didn't know IBM ditched their consumer stuff but obviously they've become tired of MSOFT'S "You have to go with us because we're the standard" bulls#!t. Although sadly, Apple will probably become the same eventually. Hopefully not. And quality? Yeah. HUGE matter of opinion. I think it's almost unanimous that Linux (Erps- UNIX) is a superior OS to both Apple and MS, at least as far as stability goes. Of course, OSX being Linux (again) based an argument for quality could be made there.
In the end, I think it's Much more than just Betamax v. VHS, or quality v. open platform.
I'm not a (American) football fan, but I like to watch the superbowl. I went to a superbowl party for the Pats v Giants game. The house was predominantly filled with a bunch of Brady pretty-boys, with a noisy minority of Giants fanatics. I almost always root for the underdog, and my roommate who was from Long Island, as was his friend, who was the get obliterated - jump up and down - yell at the TV type, were obviously rooting Giants. The tension was thicker than the bean dip.
If you saw the game you can probably guess how that evening went. All I will say is the words "I hope I never see you again" were uttered. My point is people have deep seated loyalties, sometimes for good, sometimes for no reason at all. It's cultural. It's human nature. Some people like the gold standard. The returning champ. The undefeated. Some people like to root for the underdogs.
Apple got tripped up pretty bad a couple times early in the race. Consequently, a standard emerged. Cultures built up around it; Business cultures, gaming cultures, educational cultures etc. Apple had a tincey little niche culture in the graphics industry, and they were sort of lucky to have that. Five years after Steve gets back, "Boom", iPod. Everyone knows about Apple again. And guess what? They still make computers. They start throwing around words like Design, and reliability, and different, and worst of all, BETTER. Suddenly all these cultures based around a supposedly unshakable standard feel that their culture is under attack from an underground and absurdly noisy legion of crazies claiming to be better than they are.
I might be pissed too.
I'm making this all a bit grander than it really is maybe. Or maybe not. But I just disagree that this is a simple matter of quality or open and closed OS/hardware systems. It's a little bigger than that. It's about people and cultures. It's about standards and loyalties. Some people feel comfortable with the standard, and argue while not perfect (or that it is) it is good enough. Some people like to go the less popular route, but feel that the benefits outweigh the hassles. Everyone is different, and there will always be a standard and always be an underdog. No matter how big or small, right or wrong. And I think, it's part of what makes life so great. So who brought the bean dip?
With $25B in the bank I don't think Apple is going out of business any time soon. And since when did the IBM clone army have better marketing? Apple's closed system is what makes it Apple. They have been doing pretty well with that strategy since Steve returned. I didn't know IBM ditched their consumer stuff but obviously they've become tired of MSOFT'S "You have to go with us because we're the standard" bulls#!t. Although sadly, Apple will probably become the same eventually. Hopefully not. And quality? Yeah. HUGE matter of opinion. I think it's almost unanimous that Linux (Erps- UNIX) is a superior OS to both Apple and MS, at least as far as stability goes. Of course, OSX being Linux (again) based an argument for quality could be made there.
In the end, I think it's Much more than just Betamax v. VHS, or quality v. open platform.
I'm not a (American) football fan, but I like to watch the superbowl. I went to a superbowl party for the Pats v Giants game. The house was predominantly filled with a bunch of Brady pretty-boys, with a noisy minority of Giants fanatics. I almost always root for the underdog, and my roommate who was from Long Island, as was his friend, who was the get obliterated - jump up and down - yell at the TV type, were obviously rooting Giants. The tension was thicker than the bean dip.
If you saw the game you can probably guess how that evening went. All I will say is the words "I hope I never see you again" were uttered. My point is people have deep seated loyalties, sometimes for good, sometimes for no reason at all. It's cultural. It's human nature. Some people like the gold standard. The returning champ. The undefeated. Some people like to root for the underdogs.
Apple got tripped up pretty bad a couple times early in the race. Consequently, a standard emerged. Cultures built up around it; Business cultures, gaming cultures, educational cultures etc. Apple had a tincey little niche culture in the graphics industry, and they were sort of lucky to have that. Five years after Steve gets back, "Boom", iPod. Everyone knows about Apple again. And guess what? They still make computers. They start throwing around words like Design, and reliability, and different, and worst of all, BETTER. Suddenly all these cultures based around a supposedly unshakable standard feel that their culture is under attack from an underground and absurdly noisy legion of crazies claiming to be better than they are.
I might be pissed too.
I'm making this all a bit grander than it really is maybe. Or maybe not. But I just disagree that this is a simple matter of quality or open and closed OS/hardware systems. It's a little bigger than that. It's about people and cultures. It's about standards and loyalties. Some people feel comfortable with the standard, and argue while not perfect (or that it is) it is good enough. Some people like to go the less popular route, but feel that the benefits outweigh the hassles. Everyone is different, and there will always be a standard and always be an underdog. No matter how big or small, right or wrong. And I think, it's part of what makes life so great. So who brought the bean dip?
You understand, don't you, that if Apple perceived clones to be a real threat, OSX would come out in two versions, with two prices: "regular" and "upgrade". "Upgrade" would go for the regular $150 or so, but "regular" would be more like $350. This would be perfectly legal; other software vendors, including MS, do this all the time.
Mac OS X is built around UNIX not Linux. Who says Linux is better then the Mac OS. Linux is for the expert user not for your average joe. I have never had any problems with Mac OS X. Not one (and I leave my machines on for weeks). I don't understand what people are doing with there machines if there's crash all the time. But this is off the topic.
An Apple notebook is not new. The old one you had to take the Mac ROMS out of a Mac and put it in the notebook to work. Now I realize this is not the case now. Now you have to mod the OS to install on the machine. I don't see this for the average joe here if it crashed or something. Psystar better have some good tech support for what they are doing. Apple sure isn't going to help those users. :/
Hugh