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What does Apple have a monopoly on? PCs? No.
Oh ya, Apple products. That is right! If you want an Apple product, you HAVE to buy it from Apple... how unfair!!! Right dude, right?!?!

Call it what you want but Apple is treading rough waters. One could use the same argument for Dell, HP, Gateway, Etc. They wanted to use Windows let them do it. The people who cried about MS? Netscape ;)

And the US Justice Department? Yeah reliable source.
 
Also, purchasing OS X for your own use on your own machine is not 'Piracy.' To pirate an OS (or anything else) you are stealing it for resale elsewhere. This invalidates your first paragraph since Apple has, as yet, never commented on any 'Hackintoshes' created by private individuals for their own use.


Wrong. From the BSA:

Software piracy is the unauthorized copying or distribution of copyrighted software. When you purchase software, you are actually purchasing a license to use it, not the actual software. The license is what tells you how many times you can install the software. If you make more copies of the software than the license permits, you are breaking the law. Whether you are copying, downloading, sharing, selling, or installing multiple copies of software onto personal or work computers, you are committing software piracy.

Bolding mine. When you violate the license terms the right to copy ends. Essentially, if the license is not agreed to, the copy is unauthorized.and therefore it's piracy. It matters not if you are doing it for personal use or not.
 
Psystar has already been slapped down by the court for violating Apple's EULA. That much is legal certainty.

Psystar will fail in its motion to be allowed to sell Rebel EFI because the whole purpose of Rebel EFI is to allow Apple's OS to be installed on non-Apple hardware. As such, Psystar is aiding and abetting others to violate the EULA and they are attempting to make a profit while doing so. The court generally doesn't take kindly to "aiding and abetting".

Psystar is done. All that we are seeing now is the fish flopping around in the frying pan before the heat kills it.

Mark
 
What if....?

What if Apple is agreeing to this because they know that there are some very unhappy investors that got duped into giving money to Psystar and Apple has decided to let these angry investors “take care of the problem” for them?

Another example: What if there were to be a class action suit filed against Psystar for all the Rebel EFI software that didn't work and for deceptive trade practices? That would be an ironic turn of events, would it not? And that way Apple would have gotten their victory and left Psystar to the mercies of ”the next guy in line.“ Then Apple gets back to focusing on making better software and products and forgets all about Psystar.
 
perhaps we'll get our affordable headless mac after all.

Total cost of ownership for Mac Mini is actually less in most, if not all circumstances, so Macs are actually quite affordable.

Mac OS X >= Windows Ultimate

Windows 7 Ultimate $320

Apple Mac Mini + Mac OS X = $429 Apple refurb store.

Can you get a nearly silent PC with full warranty for $110?
 
I think they still sell the mac operating system. :p

Apple and Amazon sell boxed Mac OS X upgrades. Those licenses aren't for new installations. It's the same software and Apple would still earn money on the sale but not consider it a legitimate use of their software. Presumably Psystar's tactic is to make it Apple's problem with the consumer, not with Psystar, since Apple will be unlikely to do anything about it.
 
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What if Apple is agreeing to this because they know that there are some very unhappy investors that got duped into giving money to Psystar and Apple has decided to let these angry investors “take care of the problem” for them?

Why would apple care? They knew that Psystar was not going to pay up - they even admitted that in their filings. Money was gravy. The meat was setting a legal precedent and shutting the company down.

Another example: What if there were to be a class action suit filed against Psystar for all the Rebel EFI software that didn't work and for deceptive trade practices? That would be an ironic turn of events, would it not? And that way Apple would have gotten their victory and left Psystar to the mercies of ”the next guy in line.“ Then Apple gets back to focusing on making better software and products and forgets all about Psystar.

Why would Apple care about other litigation against Psytar - if anything it would help Apple and hurt Psystar even more. Apple doesn't care about anybody else suing Psystar. Their concerns are about their legal actions, not anybody else.

EDIT: Read the court filings - Apple admits that they are unlikely to get much money.
 
Psystar could have avoided this entire legal mess and settlement awards to Apple if they did what they're trying to get the courts to allow them to do now!

No, they couldn't. Please read and try to comprehend Judge Alsup's decision. If Psystar had done what you suggest, they would still be guilty of contributory infringement as well as various trademark and copyright violations.

Wasn't there a lot of undercurrent of psystar being funded my microsoft?

Just why in the world would Microsoft want to do this? Aside from the obvious outcome (more Mac OS X users means less people using Windows as their primary OS), it would completely wipe out their own software license validity. Can you imagine all those $5 educational copies of Windows hitting the marketplace at $300?

I'm wondering why Apple is settling with Psystar when so close to pocket a total court victory. Any ideas?

Yes. Psystar is lying. Apple won a slam dunk on all grounds and has very good grounds for summary judgment. There's absolutely no reason for them to give up everything they've won.

There would still be a very lengthy appeals process, during which Psystar could likely win the opportunity to continue to sell its products. Apple is just cutting off that avenue, knowing full well that attempting a additional suit to get any reimbursement of court costs would be like trying to get blood out of a stone.

Lastly there is the possibility that Psystar would declare bankruptcy and Apple would receive nothing, or that the appeals courts would lesson the victory.

None of that matters. The money doesn't even rise to the level of pocket change for Apple. And they couldn't care less whether they get the money from Psystar. Apple's goal in the whole process has been to completely smash the idea of companies selling Mac clones. There's absolutely no reason why they'd stop now that they've won.

Buying a legitimate copy of SL and installing it on a computer could NEVER possibly be copyright infringement. Might be EULA infringement, but EULAs have never been really put to the test in court, at least Apple's EULA regarding the fact that OSX can only be installed on Apple computers.

Wrong. Read the court decision and learn a little bit about copyright law. Apple, as the inventor of Mac OS X, has unlimited rights to its sale, distribution, etc. One of Apple's rights involves the right to modify the OS. No one else has that right unless Apple explicitly gives it to them. By modifying the OS (using a modified boot loader, for example), you are violating Apple's copyright. The decision could not have been much clearer on this issue.

Funny thing is that you can run windows natively on a mac (with Apple Support) but not the other way around. Microsoft is like cha-ching, they are not stupid.

Have someone explain to you the fact that Microsoft's business is based on selling software while Apple's business is largely based on selling hardware. There's no a priori reason why Apple should blindly follow Microsoft's strategy.

Sure, but that would not be aiding copyright infringement. Psystar would be free to suggest that you legally purchase a copy of OS X for installation on your new machine. If the user ultimately pirates it and infringes Apple's copyright, that's on the user.

Psystar really screwed up by pre-installing the OS. Apple would have had a much harder time if Psystar simply sold the computer without an OS.

Once again, please read the decision. Your argument is 100% wrong.


Because Psystar doesn't own the copyright.

Psystar can resell the product in its original form without any problem. If they sell a retail box of Mac OS X with no modifications, there aren't any issues. But as soon as they start to modify it or install it on a computer, (or tell customers how to circumvent Apple's EULA and encryption, for that matter), they're in trouble.
 
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So Psystar could be lying here?

I'd be interested to see Apple's clarification.


Wellll, maybeee...

Psystar made a claim that there was an agreement. Since there is no filing that we can find, we don't know the exact details. Psystar may have filed something, but for all we know Apple has yet to accept anything.

Essentially we have to trust the words of someone already found guilty - I am skeptical about this.
 
Call it what you want but Apple is treading rough waters. One could use the same argument for Dell, HP, Gateway, Etc. They wanted to use Windows let them do it. The people who cried about MS? Netscape ;)

And the US Justice Department? Yeah reliable source.

If Microsoft wanted to stop Dell, HP, Gateway, Etc. from selling windows, they could (as long as their distribution contracts are up).
Apple DOES NOT license their OS. THEIR OS, that they created, that they own.
Mac computers are not a market. Mac OS is not a market.

And if you want a Ford, Ford has to make it. If you want a Dell, Dell has to make it. If you want an Apple, Apple has to make it.
If you want Windows, Microsoft has to make it... etc.
 
What planet have you been living on?

Aiding copyright infringement is also a crime, and there have been numerous cases that point to this fact.

It's both "inducement" and "contributory infringement," and both types of indirect infringement are subject to the same legal liability as "direct" infringement.
 
Psystar could have avoided this entire legal mess and settlement awards to Apple if they did what they're trying to get the courts to allow them to do now!

No. Absolutely not. What they got out of all this is a legal court approved agreement. No more grey area for them.

They have a written agreement from Apple to sell "Mac OS X Ready" computers.​

They could have NEVER gotten that without going to court. Apple would have simply ignored their request for such an agreement. But now they have it. No one else does.

Why would Apple have agreed to give them anything? Apple was could not affordthe risk of going to trial. What if the validity of the EULA was brought up? I don't think Apple wanted to risk that to they settled out of court and gave away a BIG prize to aviod tial.

Pystar had nothing to loose. A judgement againt them would mean that they'd file bankruptcy and liquidate and I'm certain the owners have been pulling money out of the company such that "liquidation" would only net Apple a few thousand dollars.

Pysater's bussines plan was always to gamble. Gambling is goos if you have littel to loose and something big to win. I think they won big time.

Now that they have this agreement in hand, how much would a company like Gateway or HP pay to buy Pystar? HP could pay off the copyright fine with "chump change" and then sell millions of "Mac OS X Ready" PCs.
 
No. Absolutely not. What they got out of all this is a legal court approved agreement. No more grey area for them.

They have a written agreement from Apple to sell "Mac OS X Ready" computers.​

They could have NEVER gotten that without going to court. Apple would have simply ignored their request for such an agreement. But now they have it. No one else does.

Why would Apple have agreed to give them anything? Apple was could not affordthe risk of going to trial. What if the validity of the EULA was brought up? I don't think Apple wanted to risk that to they settled out of court and gave away a BIG prize to aviod tial.

No they don't. Apple filed an injunction to stop, because Apple won a summary judgement in court.

What you think is fact is actually unfounded SPECULATION.

Apple already won the validity of EULA in court, via summary judgement.
 
I just don't see how Apple could possibly benefit from a settlement with Psystar. Saving money by reducing the cost of the legal battle, or being a benevolent Apple, doesn't seem to be so important compared to protecting the Macintosh brand and confirming the Apple right to conduct business in their own way. I tend to agree with those calling this a Psystar lie, a lie made of partial truth.
 
I just don't see how Apple could possibly benefit from a settlement with Psystar. Saving money by reducing the cost of the legal battle, or being a benevolent Apple, doesn't seem to be so important compared to protecting the Macintosh brand and confirming the Apple right to conduct business in their own way. I tend to agree with those calling this a Psystar lie, a lie made of partial truth.

Wishful thinking, on their part.

Publicizing it, for them, brings it closer to acceptance.
 
Are you implying, then, that Microsoft was not convicted of abusing its monopoly on the PC operating system market ?

Perhaps, you deem the E-019 Court of Appeals decision to be off-base as well.

No, I am saying the Judicial System here has proven to be extremely biased and on occasion known to be overturn may times over by its own. Check out the District Circuits for more examples.

If Microsoft wanted to stop Dell, HP, Gateway, Etc. from selling windows, they could (as long as their distribution contracts are up).
Apple DOES NOT license their OS. THEIR OS, that they created, that they own.
Mac computers are not a market. Mac OS is not a market.

And if you want a Ford, Ford has to make it. If you want a Dell, Dell has to make it. If you want an Apple, Apple has to make it.
If you want Windows, Microsoft has to make it... etc.

My point exactly to the case of "bullying monopoly". You are right. It is there choice.
 
Total cost of ownership for Mac Mini is actually less in most, if not all circumstances, so Macs are actually quite affordable.

Mac OS X >= Windows Ultimate

Windows 7 Ultimate $320

Apple Mac Mini + Mac OS X = $429 Apple refurb store.

Can you get a nearly silent PC with full warranty for $110?

Why pay $320 when you can get a windows or mac computer for around the same price?

http://www.dell.com/us/en/home/desk...x?refid=inspiron-zino-hd&s=dhs&cs=19&ref=dthp

I'd never use this Dell or mac mini for anything I do.

I'd rather have an affordable small tower (core i7 based). The 27" corei7/i5 iMac without the giant monitor in it would be a very powerful, very affordable machine.

So if I can buy a PC and install Mac OS X on it with little fuss using Psystar's tools, I'll be a happy camper.
 
Because Psystar doesn't own the copyright.

Psystar can resell the product in its original form without any problem. If they sell a retail box of Mac OS X with no modifications, there aren't any issues. But as soon as they start to modify it or install it on a computer, (or tell customers how to circumvent Apple's EULA and encryption, for that matter), they're in trouble.

You don't need to modify the retail DVD to install it. They can sell the retail DVD along with Rebel FEI. It does not modify anything on the READ ONLY DVD. It just makes the DVD boot. You don't even need to modify the OS AFTER you install it. Just use Rebel EFI to boot into the OS. So how is this "unauthorized copying or distribution of copyrighted software"? The only thing you are doing is breaking Apple's EULA. Which means nothing.
 
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