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If companies don't address their customers needs, they lose them. That's how it works. It's just business.
And if companies don't expect profit in offering products that only satisfy a minor amount of customers' needs, they aren't required to provide them. That's also how it works. It's just business.
 
And if companies don't expect profit in offering products that only satisfy a minor amount of customers' needs, they aren't required to provide them. That's also how it works. It's just business.
I do think the mid range tower group is growing a lot bigger than you think. I know of multiple people voting with there wallents now about that. Every hacketash owner did.
I will never buy an apple desktop until they have a mid range tower. The power mac are overkill and I have to waste a lot of money on crap I do not want or need and the iMacs do niot meet my wants

I will keep building windows desktop until that day. 1500 bucks saved on just the tower is a lot of money and well worth it to me. It is more powerful than the iMac and meets my needs

I am voting with my wallet
 
I do think the mid range tower group is growing a lot bigger than you think. I know of multiple people voting with there wallents now about that. Every hacketash owner did.
I will never buy an apple desktop until they have a mid range tower. The power mac are overkill and I have to waste a lot of money on crap I do not want or need and the iMacs do niot meet my wants

I will keep building windows desktop until that day. 1500 bucks saved on just the tower is a lot of money and well worth it to me. It is more powerful than the iMac and meets my needs

I am voting with my wallet

The powermac was overkill ? The PowerMac G3 B&W and PowerMac G4 existed in an age where there was no such thing as a PC under 1000$. They sold for 1599$ as a base model.

They were very much mid-range towers at the time. And they were way ahead of their time. I don't get what was overkill about their price to feature ratio.

You speak as if Apple never sold a mid-range tower. They did. They don't anymore. Hackintoshers aren't a majority of people, they are a very small niche.
 
It has nothing to do with computing and everything to do with the current generation's strong sense of entitlement. The world owes them, they don't owe anything to the world.

If a 20 something today was to make the JFK speech, it would go like this : "Ask not what you can do for your country, ask what your country can do for you".

Way to make bold claims about everyone born in a 10 year period of time. :rolleyes: :D

You realize that every generation feels they had it tougher than the one that follows them, right? :)

10 year period of time ? It's the generation born after 1985 ish. It's way longer than 10 years. The "enfant roi" generation. In fact, there's many psychological and anthropological studies about it.

And it's not about having had it tougher, it's about "strong sense of entitlement". If you'd work with a 20 something or younger (and if you are a 20 something or younger you don't realise this) you'd know how their work ethic sucks and how you're to blame for their every mistake. They just never take responsibility for their acts. It has nothing to do with me having had it tougher, it's just that I recognized that if I want something, I have to work for it.

My wife was a dean of admissions at a college, and she told me all about those studies. They also discuss it at various conferences. She was in charge of career counseling, and she found that in the last 5 or 6 years, there is a trend where the students think they're entitled to a job, and, once employed, entitled to come and go as they please, etc. She had to give presentations to the students teaching them that their future bosses have a different view on how things work.

i absolutely agree with you, but we could ask ourselves: "how did this entitlement generation come to be?" - they are after all "our" children, so i guess we did something wrong when teaching them values etc... just a thought.

As a representative of the 20-somethings (24), I can at least explain partially for this view.

From an employers point of view, they want employees who will be lifers, since turn over is costly for them in training. But what's in it for an employee to stay at one company their whole life? So they can get laid off? Have their jobs shipped overseas?

Living through this difficult economic situation has only solidified this viewpoint, as most of us probably have had a tough time getting a job after graduating, or had a baby-boomer family member lose a job. Of course I think its ridiculous to think anyone is 'entitled' to a job after graduation, but growing up your entire life you are constantly told by parents, teachers, elders... that if you want to get anywhere and live comfortably, you need to get a college education. Then once you've earned the education/racked up the loans, *poof* no jobs. Obviously things will eventually turn around... just my 2 cents.

I don't know the ages of the people on here who are blasting the 20-somethings, but I'm 51, and I remember older generations saying similar things about us Baby Boomers when we were in our 20s: .............. I'm a manager myself, and I've seen a cross-section of individuals. We've never had a problem finding talented, hard-working people in any age group. My older son, who is 25, is a trainer at a tech-support call center. He says they have a hard time finding enough high-quality people to staff the call center -- but the job pays only $10 per hour, which isn't going to attract talented people with college degrees.

............

The more things change, the more they stay the same...


Not to re-derail the thread, but there were a lot of great points made here today, and I probably didn't grab them all for this post

I agree with many of the statements about the post ~'85ers having a shallow work ethic, sense of entitlment etc. Now as a member of the 20 somethings (not for long - 40 days). I would like to think that I have a pretty great work ethic, and out of my four other siblings (all younger) I would say mine is the worst. All I know is I'm making less money than my dad was in the 70s with the same amount of education... mmm... actually, a better education. Which brings me to one of the other points: Education is about the most inflated thing in this economy. More than gas, more than food more than taxes - just about anything. Do I feel a sense of entitlement? Hell yeah, I feel entitled to a job! OK, not quite like that, but back in the day, if you had a degree, you had a job. Now, as has been mentioned, You have a degree? SO? I busted my ass for my degree. What did I get in return? A $90,000 piece of paper... that I havn't paid for yet. Oh, well. Keep busting my ass I guess. I'm not super pissed, it's just a different world. A lot of people I went to school with were slackers and bitched about every single project they eventually failed out. or took 7 years to graduate. But there was a good handful of smart, hardworking, talented kids too. The hard workers were certainly in the minority, but I don't think quite by the landslide maybe we'd like to think. Having great parents, and as a parent now myself, I am convinced a smart kid, with an ingrained sense of right and wrong, healthy work ethic, and a desire to learn and cooperate with others is the result of good parenting 90% of the time. So all of this talk of how kids these days are such irreverent slackers should trace a path backwards to the root of the personality.

But aaaaaaannnyyway, back on track; this is hilarius.

No. They'll just steal them for Apple stores, unlock them, and sell them for the T-Mobile network. Making them work on Verizon would be actual work.
 
If I have purchased OSX and can get it to work on a PC, I feel I'm free to do that.

What you feel is irrelevant. And frankly that's the problem with the positions similar to yours. Guess what, you don't get to make up the laws as you'd like them.

As a federal judge just ruled, leaving absolutely know doubt, it is illegal, despite what Psystar, or you, or anyone else would like to believe.
 
And you completely miss the point of the ads. They showed clear huge holes in the line up. Apple sells still did well but who knows how many people they lost because of those ads. I bet they lost quite a few potential sells or people 2nd guess themselves on buying apple after seeing them. They did make you think

Well made you think as long as you are not a blind follower of apple

Think about what? About going out and buying a Mac in a recession?

Yessir indeed.

This whole "How many more could they have sold" argument just doesn't hold water when Apple is breaking Mac sales records quarter-after-quarter. That's like saying "Imagine how many more medals Michael Phelps could have won." At some point your going to get yourself tangled into an absurd infinite progression scenario, in which the corporate entity or individual can never achieve enough to your satisfaction.

The ads only made me think about how MS views its target demographic. Yuck. Hardly flattering.


Psystar will continue operating it seems, they will now be a generic PC vendor. They plan to keep on selling Rebel EFI :

http://www.computerworld.com/s/arti...ort_Psystar_i_not_i_shutting_down_lawyer_says

. . . at their own peril, as the Judge Alsup stated.
 
Their site is back up and still lists Rebel EFI as out of stock and free.

Seems one set of lawyers, afraid of being held in contempt, are saying the works is getting shut down, and the other set of lawyers is saying not so fast? Problem is, no matter what happens in the other case, Alsup's ruling stands.
 
And if companies don't expect profit in offering products that only satisfy a minor amount of customers' needs, they aren't required to provide them. That's also how it works. It's just business.

You're right. They don't need my business. If they think professionals are a minor part of their customer base, then they should stop trying to sell to professionals. We are not willing to buy their product, but if we can find a way to use their OS, which we like, we will. If they want to try to police that, they should go right ahead. All that will result in is more lost business and bad PR. Apple is quickly becoming a company I don't like. Let's see- Apple iPhone and ATT exclusive. How's that working out for everyone? Happy with your service? REALLY?

Remember Napster and record companies? Lessons to be learned. Ignore them at your own peril.
 
The record companies seem to have won that one.

Not really. They've lost a ton of business to independents and downloads. Record stores went out of business in droves. The entire industry has changed, with bands like Radiohead skipping the companies altogether and selling their product on their own. This is only going to continue. The only record stores that have survived are the independent, small niche stores- at least here in Chicago.

Now that Apple use Intel processors, they are in the same boat. The audience is no longer captive.
 
bretm,

I never thought about it that way.
Apple creates software to run Windows on their hardware.

Microsoft as a software company of course has no issue with this.

Psystar creates software to run OS X (Along with a triple boot of Windows and Linux) on their hardware.

Apple as a hardware company doesn't like this and sue.

Love the do as I say not as I do mentality.

You've got that backwards.

MS want you to put their OS on as many machines as possible, just one license per machine. They don't care if it is a Dell, a HP, Tosiba, or even a Mac.

Apple's OS is tried exclusively to Apple machinery. Psystar were circumventing this, and ergo, Apple went after them, especially as they were making a profit out of it.
 
Not really. They've lost a ton of business to independents and downloads. Record stores went out of business in droves. The entire industry has changed, with bands like Radiohead skipping the companies altogether and selling their product on their own. This is only going to continue. The only record stores that have survived are the independent, small niche stores- at least here in Chicago.

Now that Apple use Intel processors, they are in the same boat. The audience is no longer captive.

All that would have happened anyway, and in the meantime Napster and its progeny are gone (or licensed).
 
10 year period of time ? It's the generation born after 1985 ish. It's way longer than 10 years. The "enfant roi" generation. In fact, there's many psychological and anthropological studies about it.

And it's not about having had it tougher, it's about "strong sense of entitlement". If you'd work with a 20 something or younger (and if you are a 20 something or younger you don't realise this) you'd know how their work ethic sucks and how you're to blame for their every mistake. They just never take responsibility for their acts. It has nothing to do with me having had it tougher, it's just that I recognized that if I want something, I have to work for it.

VERY Good point. Almost every day one of my 20 something cooks calls in to say "I am going to be late today because of "insert excuse here." Or they show up late. They bitched cause they didn't have enough time to get ready for service, so I changed their schedule to let them come in 30 min earlier, then they show up late.... When I say "Why were you not here at 3?" They say "I didn't notice you changed the schedule" UMM WTF? I work hard for the job I have. I work REALLY hard because this is my second career. I get freakin pissed when I see one of them using my knife to pry open something. I say "WTF? Are you actually using my knife to open a can?" "Sorry Chef, I forgot my knife today..." I don't get it. Seriously.

Chef Jay
 
Really? File sharing sites are gone? SERIOUSLY?

Mininova, pirate bay, napster, mp3.com, kazaa, audiogalaxy, torrentspy, razorback2, grokster, morpheus, .... I've lost track of all the file sharing sites that have vanished. There will always be filing sharing sites, but when the average PC user doesn't know the name of any of them, the RIAA can count that as a victory.

Back in the napster/kazaa days, file sharing sites were operating out in the open, within the continental U.S., with legal impunity. The situation is very very different now.
 
It has nothing to do with computing and everything to do with the current generation's strong sense of entitlement. The world owes them, they don't owe anything to the world.

If a 20 something today was to make the JFK speech, it would go like this : "Ask not what you can do for your country, ask what your country can do for you".

agree - "it's not my fault" should be this young generation's motto and unfortunately the legal system continues to reward those with frivolous lawsuits (i was primarily thinking about medical-legal terms being a physician but apparently Psystar thought they could sell other's intellectual property on their own hardware as well).

sure apple could capture more market share by opening their hardware to others, but it is and has not been in their business model to do so. and i don't think apple has any plans to do so any time soon.
 
Hackintosh is a great thing for hobbyists / enthusiasts. I have no problem with it.

But I crack up laughing every time I read how it "works perfectly except..."

Unless the definition of perfect has changed, I'm pretty sure most Hackinstoh advocates are abusing that term.

If you built your machine with known supported hardware, you can have a flawless experience. My Hac does not perform any better or worse (well, it is faster.. Much faster) than my iMac at the office. Everything works. Sleep, Airport, Time Machine, etc.

I just prefer using two matched screens without having to pay $3K for my computer.
 
Mininova, pirate bay, napster, mp3.com, kazaa, audiogalaxy, torrentspy, razorback2, grokster, morpheus, .... I've lost track of all the file sharing sites that have vanished. There will always be filing sharing sites, but when the average PC user doesn't know the name of any of them, the RIAA can count that as a victory.

Back in the napster/kazaa days, file sharing sites were operating out in the open, within the continental U.S., with legal impunity. The situation is very very different now.

it's best for everyone involved that "the average pc user" doesn't know the names of file sharing sites. of course to be honest i don't believe that the average pc user has ever known of any file-sharing sites.

nowadays with on-demand streaming through netflix, amazon, itunes, etc - it is just too easy and cheap to obtain legal media entertainment. maybe im just getting older though. not sure what the younger generation is up to these days...
 
it's best for everyone involved that "the average pc user" doesn't know the names of file sharing sites. of course to be honest i don't believe that the average pc user has ever known of any file-sharing sites.

nowadays with on-demand streaming through netflix, amazon, itunes, etc - it is just too easy and cheap to obtain legal media entertainment. maybe im just getting older though. not sure what the younger generation is up to these days...

Working with a fair few interns, I can safely say that the Piracy generation is alive and kicking. Now, that there is torrent clients, like utorrent etc taking place of the centralized servers like napstar and others.

Girl next to me just down loaded the entire series of Dexter, Friends and CSI in a single sitting!
 
Thank you for a very informative post.

I don't think the Hackintosh community is driven by a sense of entitlement. It seems to be more of a "because I can" thing. The community mostly encourages hackintoshers to go out and buy OS X instead of pirating it. I happen to think the community is a benefit to Apple in the long run and most people recognize the moral right of Apple to protect their product from people trying to commercialize hackintoshes.

It is though. How many insanelymac.com threads start out as "I got OSX to run on a much cheaper PC?"

Sure some of it is the hack value "I got it to run on a Dell Mini 9" Apple doesn't want to compete in that sector, and I do not blame them.

I would say most of the stuff is the "Apple doesn't make a mini tower, so I will build my own."

Well life is full of compromises. Deal with it.

Chef Jay
 
Mininova, pirate bay, napster, mp3.com, kazaa, audiogalaxy, torrentspy, razorback2, grokster, morpheus, .... I've lost track of all the file sharing sites that have vanished. There will always be filing sharing sites, but when the average PC user doesn't know the name of any of them, the RIAA can count that as a victory.

Back in the napster/kazaa days, file sharing sites were operating out in the open, within the continental U.S., with legal impunity. The situation is very very different now.

Really? I know of a few that are great.
 
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