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Psystar Working on Mac Laptop Clone, Apple Files DMCA Charges
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Again, if you don't buy a real Mac, Apple will go belly up and you will no longer have MAC OS.
If apple doesnt give the consumers what they want then they will eventually realize that we want competitively priced laptops. If circumstances get dire for apple and they are too stupid to realize that then they deserve to go under. Yeah, it will suck not having osx, but when a company refuses to give enough people what they want, it fails.
License vs sale
"OS X is copyrighted by Apple. No one has a right to it except Apple. The EULA is a license to use Apple's software: without it, you have zero right."
Maybe, maybe not. What makes a sale a sale vs a license? In Vernor Vs Autodesk, the court ruled the software in question was sold, not licensed. If sold, it's like a book, the vendor's rights and obligations end at the sale.
Now most true licenses have an expiration date. Something like an annual renewal. If they are perpetual, they say so. Is there a promise by apple that they will support software X for some time after you buy it? So If I bought 10.3 now from some computer store that found a copy on their back shelf and tossed it in the discount bin, is Apple required to update all the security patches for one year after the purchase date? If it's a sale, no. If it's a license, then where is the support I just paid for?
But whatever makes it so, various courts have ruled in various ways about what sets a license off from a sale.
The Groklaw discussion points out that may be the real issue here. How much can a vendor limit your use of a product after selling it? Imagine if Sears licensed their tablesaw, and the condition was you could not use that saw to build any furniture that was in their catalog. In other words, the Tablesaw can only be used to build furniture not available in the current Sears catalog. A judge would laugh that one right out of the courtroom.
The line has gotten vague; The judge in Vernor pointed that out specifically. So perhaps it is time to hammer it out.
"OS X is copyrighted by Apple. No one has a right to it except Apple. The EULA is a license to use Apple's software: without it, you have zero right."
Maybe, maybe not. What makes a sale a sale vs a license? In Vernor Vs Autodesk, the court ruled the software in question was sold, not licensed. If sold, it's like a book, the vendor's rights and obligations end at the sale.
Now most true licenses have an expiration date. Something like an annual renewal. If they are perpetual, they say so. Is there a promise by apple that they will support software X for some time after you buy it? So If I bought 10.3 now from some computer store that found a copy on their back shelf and tossed it in the discount bin, is Apple required to update all the security patches for one year after the purchase date? If it's a sale, no. If it's a license, then where is the support I just paid for?
But whatever makes it so, various courts have ruled in various ways about what sets a license off from a sale.
The Groklaw discussion points out that may be the real issue here. How much can a vendor limit your use of a product after selling it? Imagine if Sears licensed their tablesaw, and the condition was you could not use that saw to build any furniture that was in their catalog. In other words, the Tablesaw can only be used to build furniture not available in the current Sears catalog. A judge would laugh that one right out of the courtroom.
The line has gotten vague; The judge in Vernor pointed that out specifically. So perhaps it is time to hammer it out.
Nope, sorry that's not how it works. If everyone starts buying non-Apple hardware to run OS X then Apple will change its hardware to better supply the needs that people are seeking elsewhere, and/or they will also start charging more for OS X and make their profit on the OS license sale rather than on the hardware. OS X is way way WAY too valuable an asset to Apple for them to just stop making it.
Awesome
A couple months ago we were putting down new floors and my office was all over the house. We were finishing up for the day, and I was late for teaching at an after school program. I needed to print out a pile of stuff and my system was completely disassembled. In under 10 minutes I had slapped together my 10 yo tower, an even older 19in monitor, an external HDD, a printer (via network no less, so that included the router), printed out my documents and was out the door. Now this was not a million dollar appointment, but there is no way. No Way. I would trust anything other than a product off an apple shelf to perform like that. Every day I wake up knowing that I'm not going to have to see "The System does not recognize this monitor!", "New hardware found! Would you like to install drivers?" "Network printer not found!"
Hell yeah, I'll pay a premium for that! Yes. I like living in this cage, it's pretty effing nice.
To me it's not really about the legal stuff at all, I think someone would have to be nuts to buy something from Pyster in the first place. To me the problem with these guys is that their whole philosophy is cheaper is better, and while I don't claim to be the smartest guy, let alone a contract lawyer, I have been around long enough to know that usually you get what you pay for. I always do my research when buying, I know what I am getting and what I am getting into and I am rarely disappointed. That includes not letting some mildly retarded Apple employee push HP-POS1100 printers on me.
Oh, right, and damn, they look great on my desk.
A couple months ago we were putting down new floors and my office was all over the house. We were finishing up for the day, and I was late for teaching at an after school program. I needed to print out a pile of stuff and my system was completely disassembled. In under 10 minutes I had slapped together my 10 yo tower, an even older 19in monitor, an external HDD, a printer (via network no less, so that included the router), printed out my documents and was out the door. Now this was not a million dollar appointment, but there is no way. No Way. I would trust anything other than a product off an apple shelf to perform like that. Every day I wake up knowing that I'm not going to have to see "The System does not recognize this monitor!", "New hardware found! Would you like to install drivers?" "Network printer not found!"
Hell yeah, I'll pay a premium for that! Yes. I like living in this cage, it's pretty effing nice.
To me it's not really about the legal stuff at all, I think someone would have to be nuts to buy something from Pyster in the first place. To me the problem with these guys is that their whole philosophy is cheaper is better, and while I don't claim to be the smartest guy, let alone a contract lawyer, I have been around long enough to know that usually you get what you pay for. I always do my research when buying, I know what I am getting and what I am getting into and I am rarely disappointed. That includes not letting some mildly retarded Apple employee push HP-POS1100 printers on me.
Oh, right, and damn, they look great on my desk.
I have absolutely no problem with Psystar, Efix, OSX86 project et al. Come on, give it to them!
Any competition that will push Apple back on the right track is very welcome. I even hope that Windows 7 will be good enough to light a firewire under their lazy asses, so they have to produce real professional hardware again (like they still do with the MacPro).
I'm so sick and tired of these overpriced switcher toys with their crappy displays and crippled amateur ports, which deliver style only but not enough functionality!
Any competition that will push Apple back on the right track is very welcome. I even hope that Windows 7 will be good enough to light a firewire under their lazy asses, so they have to produce real professional hardware again (like they still do with the MacPro).
I'm so sick and tired of these overpriced switcher toys with their crappy displays and crippled amateur ports, which deliver style only but not enough functionality!
Maybe I phrased that incorrectly. In his ruling to dismiss Psystar's counterclaims, the judge stated that Apple made it clear to consumers that OS X was locked into Apple hardware.
LOL....
Hey check out my new car. It did cost more than most and looks great, but it didn't come with a set of wheels and a transmission. For that, I'd have to pay alot more.
It has to do with Apple range of options, as I assumed you were implying.
Overpriced, somewhat outdated hardware to begin with, then charging outrageous prices on top of that in order to even get something as ubiquitous and inexpensive as a bloody simple firewire port.
Your correct. Apple has no cash on hand, and has set themselves up so that even the loss of 1 or 2 laptops could mean the end of Apple.
Oh that's a fine solution. Go into your garage, shut the door, start your car and sit in it. No one is forcing you to breathe either!
Which is why the osx86 project exists: To give people what they want since apple obviously isnt.
They already doing that. They are countersuing Pystar to buy back all Open Computer they have sold.
Hugh
cheesymogul stated that Apple's pro machines contain "crippled amateur ports." I just asked what ports on Apple's pro hardware are crippled and/or amateur. I have no idea what your comments have to do with my question.
After losing 250.00 in restocking fee's because I didn't want to live with a Yellow screen and keyboard skipping problem in my new MBP all I can say is put me down for a apple lappy clone too psystar!!
I would snap up a Psystar laptop. Apple support is useless to me when I have MR. All Apple support will do for me is repair problems that shouldn't exist in the first place.
I'd like to see both the 12-incher (think PB G4 12") and and full-sized truly performance-oriented machine. Two big whole in Apple's lineup. And, of course, a consumer laptop that is actually reasonable priced, like around $700.
I'd like to see both the 12-incher (think PB G4 12") and and full-sized truly performance-oriented machine. Two big whole in Apple's lineup. And, of course, a consumer laptop that is actually reasonable priced, like around $700.
That's what I said:
I meant the new Macbook of course: Crappy display with a restricted vertical viewing angle like 10 years ago. No FW, only slomo USB 2.0.
From a 1300 $ notebook I would expect at least a mediocre display and FW400 (FW800 would be perfect), or PC express to fix the problem with a card.
Without these features the damn thing is worth $800 max.
When Lenovo (ex IBM) is able to cram a PC express slot into their $400 S10 netbook, this should be a piece of cake to add into a frickin' $1300 13incher for Christ's sake!
We certainly get amateur hardware for pro prices!
The "Pro" line starts at 15" and might have useable connections, but the display is still far from ideal. No matte options for creative professionals who depend on this feature. Ergo for some people even Macbook Pros are only semi-pro.
The only model that still deserves the Pro label would be the 17". But not for long, in January 09 we'll get the glossy disaster too...
And for those who need a small footprint (12/13") pro notebook, there is absolutely nothing in sight.
MS gives me what i want. An OS that works on whatever hardware i feel like buying that day. Apple wouldnt have a problem if their hardware were competitive with the rest of the market. I know the fanboys practically worship apple's exorbitantly prices laptops, but the truth is that pretty much every other hardware manufacturer has lower prices and better performance. Therefore we have osx86, so we arent stuck using overpriced computers.