Hey guys, Like some of you, I was waiting for the 17" update and was quite surprised that Apple discontinued it. Now I'm looking for a replacement for my 17" MacBookPro5,2. I'm strongly considering a refurb, but I was surprised when the Apple sales assistant told me they are being sold online at actual original cost. There are a few models that have savings but most do not. Is this accurate? I'd like to think you get a savings buying a refurbished machine. Is there still a matrix of what these machines used to cost? BTW - I've looked at the MBP Retina display and the weight and screen are nice. It's just not what I'm looking for.