qualcomm/exynos vs apple A series

Discussion in 'Alternatives to iOS and iOS Devices' started by yellowscreen, Sep 19, 2016.

  1. yellowscreen macrumors regular

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    this stopped being funny

    will apples absolute domination in phone and tablet hardware power (cpu, flash) ever end?



    completely outrageous
     
  2. keysofanxiety macrumors 604

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    I hope not! And I've got my fingers crossed for an Apple-designed CPU coming to their MacBooks soon.

    If they can crack the problem of the x86 instruction set, I reckon they'll be able to properly spank Intel.
     
  3. yellowscreen thread starter macrumors regular

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    considering the advances they have been making and the fact they probably dont care if their apple chips cost 30 or 50 bucks (unlike qualcomm and intel which have to compete in the market) future macs probably wont have competition in terms of processing power. similar situation as with the iphone.

    apple probably doesnt care about margins on their cpus. that could be the secret juice.

    now imagine a 300$ apple A chip...
     
  4. Hanzu Lao Suspended

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    Notice how it opens first 3 apps just as fast, but then something happens and performance goes down.
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    If they are working on a fast enough chip for Mac then i would think it's not going to be more expensive than Intel chips are now. If anything they'll probably be cheaper, because of in-house design and only manufacturing done in a 3rd party fab.
     
  5. yellowscreen thread starter macrumors regular

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    you mean note? probably a combination of throttling, slow flash and android itself

    exactly! apple pays intel around 300$ per chip (depending on the chip), at least thats what i have been reading. Apple A series chips cost around 30-50$. the potential is huge
     
  6. I7guy macrumors G5

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    I don't think they will be able to get around windows compatible x86 instructions very easily.
     
  7. LIVEFRMNYC macrumors 604

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    The real test for me is how well each app performs after it's loaded.

    On the 6S Plus, I've had Marvel Champions stuttering every now and then during battle. On the Note 7 and S7 edge, that game has been extremely smooth. The same can be said about other games and cross platform apps that are better on the Note 7 or the iPhone 6S Plus.

    I'll be getting my Note 7 replacement and a iPhone 7 Plus, and I won't be opening a ton of apps on either at the same time.

    There is also something I noticed when loading games on Android phones. If you don't install the Play Games app, it takes longer to load.
     
  8. grkm3 macrumors 6502a

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    doesn't the note 7 have the same CPU as the old gs7? if so a fair test should be Samsung's next cpu
     
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    The a10 looks pretty impressive.
     
  10. LIVEFRMNYC macrumors 604

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    Yea it does, that's one of the main reasons I sold my 6S Plus. Now when I get the iPhone 7 Plus, it being faster and 1gb jump in ram should iron out the the minor issues I had.

    I'm still going to get my Note 7 replacement. Can't wait to compare cameras.
     
  11. FFR macrumors 65816

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    The a10 is a beast.
     
  12. FFR macrumors 65816

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    Note 7/ gs7: 2016
    iPhone 7/ 7 plus: 2016

    Seems fair to me.
    Next year Apple will have the 10 nm a11.
     
  13. yellowscreen thread starter macrumors regular

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    virtualization? emulation?

    there was an apple insider article, cant seem to find it right now. if my memory serves me, it was stated that when A chips become powerful enough, they could emulate x86. idk
     
  14. Atomic Walrus macrumors 6502a

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    There's no way the CPU alone is responsible for this. SD820 isn't a very impressive chip, but its single core on Geekbench is just a bit behind the A9. It's pretty obvious that Android itself, poor development practices for Android, and/or memory performance are heavily involved in these results. I don't think even dropping an A10 into the Note 7 would resolve these issues.
     
  15. I7guy macrumors G5

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    Theoretically given enough time, money and resources anything could be accomplished. By then who knows where intel will take the x86 lines.
     
  16. grkm3, Sep 19, 2016
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    there product cycle are not times right.this is apples new soc and will go against the gs8 the note 7 soc is 7-8 months old and was made to go against the a9

    it's amusing how it's only fair to compare it when apple is on top but then when next gen other socs come out it goes back to benchmarks mean nothing etc.

    one chip is next gen using the newest instruction set from arm.its not fair to compare it to an older instruction set and last years gen soc.

    the snapdragon 830 and exynos 8895 are using the same instruction set as the new a10 and are the chips made to complete with it.
     
  17. BlueGoldAce macrumors 68000

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    Guys....let's be realistic. A few of you think Apple is going to start dominating intel? Really?

    AMD has been chasing intel forever, and has yet to catch up. Patients and experience play a huge role here. Apple is going to dominate intel anytime soon.
     
  18. FFR macrumors 65816

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    That doesn't make any sense.
    Galasxy s7 and note 7 were released in 2016 with the iPhone 7.

    The galaxy s8 will be released in 2017, same year as the next iPhone which will have the a11.

    Your right I don't think it's fair to compare a smartphone released next year with one that is released this year.
     
  19. Technarchy macrumors 604

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    I've never liked the Snapdragon series.

    I really wish Samsung would use their own Exynos design globally.
     
  20. grkm3 macrumors 6502a

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    all socs are using arm instruction sets and customizing them to fit there needs but the base core architecture is based off arms instruction sets the are used.the a10 is using a custom core based off its newest instruction set and is not fair to compare it to last year's instruction set that were used in the a9 and gs7 and note 7

    just because it was released in the same year doesn't mean anything.you are comparing 7-8 month old architectures to the new custom cores using the latest arm instruction sets.

    the gs8 will also use the new instruction sets and is the core to compete with the a10.like I said they are in different cycle release dates and not fair to compare.

    what will you say when snap dragon 830 comes out and beats the a10? you will say wait for a11 to go against it etc.
     
  21. Technarchy macrumors 604

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    Even the Apple A9 is superior to the 820 and it's from 2015. Stop making excuses for Qualcomm unspectacular silicon.
     
  22. grkm3 macrumors 6502a

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    forget Qualcomm man talking about next gen socs from everyone using arm instruction sets.

    don't know why u keep bringing up Qualcomm vs exynos everyone knows exynos is better.you are side tracking what I'm trying to get across
     
  23. FFR macrumors 65816

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    Sorry still doesn't make any sense.

    The note 7 and the iPhone 7 were released a month apart, and the galaxy s7 6 months prior. Your argument doesn't hold merit.

    The flagship phones of 2016 are the iPhone 7 for Apple and the galaxy s7/ note 7 for Samsung.
     
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    Ouch. I'm surprised the Note 7 didn't explode midway through the video.
     
  25. AustinIllini macrumors demi-god

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    It's really not a fair fight. It's like comparing a LaFerrari to an F1 car. The A10 Fusion has better hardware/software integration on its side. The Android OS that runs on snapdragon and hummingbirds (Throwback!) is just much heavier than iOS.
     

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