Qualcomm Now Seeks iPhone XS and iPhone XR Sales Ban in China as Legal Battle With Apple Intensifies

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    Qualcomm plans to file for an injunction on the iPhone XS, iPhone XS Max, and iPhone XR in China, which would theoretically prevent the sale of those devices in the country, a lawyer for the company told the Financial Times today.


    Earlier this week, a Chinese court granted an injunction on older iPhone 6s through iPhone X models in China after it ruled that those devices violated two Qualcomm patents, and the chipmaker now plans to assert those same patents against the latest iPhones amid an escalating legal battle with Apple.

    The first Qualcomm patent reportedly enables users to "adjust and reformat the size and appearance of photos," while the second is said to relate to "managing applications using a touch screen when viewing and navigating apps."

    In a statement issued following the ruling earlier this week, Apple said all iPhone models remain available for customers in China:
    Apple has continued to sell the affected iPhone models in China because it believes the patent infringement ruling does not apply to iOS 12, leading Qualcomm to call on the Fuzhou Intermediate People's Court to enforce the injunction.

    Reports suggest that Qualcomm's latest efforts are an attempt to pressure Apple into settling a long-standing dispute between the two companies, primarily over chip-related licensing fees. Reports also suggest that the iPhone injunction could be politically motivated due to the ongoing US-China trade war.

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  2. pat500000 Suspended


    Jun 3, 2015
  3. kis macrumors 68000

    Aug 10, 2007
    Qualcomm are clearly the bad guys here. There's no way Apple can possibly have stolen intellectual property. Only others do that.
  4. Aluminum213 macrumors 68040


    Mar 16, 2012
    Good for Qualcomm, Apple has bullied enough companies over the years
  5. AnthonyG6 macrumors regular


    Sep 13, 2017
    I think there will be an 'out of court' settlement of an undisclosed amount in the near future between Apple and Qualcomm.
  6. Mackinjosh Suspended

    Aug 21, 2014
    Might as well already be a ban on the XS and Max in China given how awful those phones are selling there.
  7. lenard macrumors 6502

    Oct 10, 2007
    Raleigh NC
    Really? Which ones......
  8. pat500000 Suspended


    Jun 3, 2015
    Probably group fights.
  9. ArtOfWarfare macrumors G3


    Nov 26, 2007
    Uh... they already successfully banned all your other products. Doesn't seem like a desperate move to me.
  10. ericgtr12 macrumors 65816


    Mar 19, 2015
    While Qualcomm may be winning this battle in the short term, they're just forcing Apple's hand who are now focusing on creating their own. In the end I don't see this working out well for Qualcomm.
  11. truthertech macrumors 68000

    Jun 24, 2016

    Please move that fake news over to other web sites.
  12. jcshas macrumors 6502


    Oct 8, 2003
    So doesn’t Apple have enough cash in the bank to buy Qualcomm and make this all go away?
  13. AngerDanger, Dec 13, 2018
    Last edited: Dec 13, 2018

    AngerDanger macrumors 601


    Dec 9, 2008
    It's amazing how much the patent system sounds like a game of Simon Says. Apple has manufactured machines that manipulate photos and switch applications for decades BUT throw the phrase "using a touch screen" before a feature, and all of the sudden, it's brand new.

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  14. AnthonyG6 macrumors regular


    Sep 13, 2017
    Not everything is for sale no matter how much money you have.
  15. alvindarkness macrumors 6502a

    Jul 11, 2009
    Qualcomm aren't seeking bans, they are choosing to curate the phone options in China. Because its the right thing to do, I mean it would be a sin if they didn't.
  16. cocky jeremy macrumors 601

    cocky jeremy

    Jul 12, 2008
    Columbus, OH
    Everything is for sale. With that said, I don't want Apple to buy them. I want Apple to bury them.
  17. britboyj macrumors 6502a

    Apr 8, 2009
    The first Qualcomm patent reportedly enables users to "adjust and reformat the size and appearance of photos," while the second is said to relate to "managing applications using a touch screen when viewing and navigating apps."

    This is such a blindingly obvious patent with prior art I don't see it standing up at all.
  18. 78Bandit macrumors 6502a


    Jun 13, 2009
    Absolutely. Patents should not be issued for things like this. It wasn't that long ago Apple was suing Samsung for using the "swipe to unlock" and "pinch to zoom" gestures. Patent law has gotten ridiculous and is being used to protect generic ideas rather than the specific implementation of those ideas.
  19. scottwaugh macrumors 6502

    Jul 22, 2002
    The fact Qualcomm did this after it came out Apple was just going to do their own modems in the future (i.e. Qualcomm doesn't have to beat Intel at Apple, its just never Qualcomm again at Apple) may not be a coincidence.

    I believe that Apple was the biggest selling brand for Singles day there in China (an event much bigger in sales than Black Friday in the U.S.) beating local suppliers even - so they must not be selling too awful (although the local suppliers might want that rumor spread).

  20. BvizioN macrumors 601


    Mar 16, 2012
    Manchester, UK
    You seem to not have an idea who is bulling on this case. The "smart ass" Qualcomm seem to want a % for every iPhone sold (regardless if they do or they do not have their chips in them) and not for the actual chips. And only for Apple. What a wonderful idea he?? Talk about bulling!!
  21. newyorksole macrumors 68040

    Apr 2, 2008
    New York.
    Don’t you think it would’ve happened by now? This has been going on for a whiiiile.

    Doesn’t look like they’re settling any time soon.
  22. macfacts macrumors 68040


    Oct 7, 2012
    It isn't illegal nor unfair to take a percentage. Apple signed the contract. No one had a gun to Tim's head.
  23. ksec macrumors 6502a

    Dec 23, 2015
    Apple will have to paid Qualcomm one way or another. It is not just the 4G/5G SEP, it is patents like this, and many others in Power Management, SoC, GPU etc. Normally Apple will sign cross patents agreement with Intel, AMD, Microsoft etc so effectively they don't sue each other.

    Problem is Qualcomm aren't willing to do this deals. And if the Court decide the SEP should be lower than what Qualcomm would like, Qualcomm will just charge more for their other patents.

    This will drag on for a very long time. Lawyers should be very happy.
  24. ravenstar macrumors regular

    Jan 12, 2005
    I suspect not. Apple seems pretty determined to put an end to Qualcomm's percentage pricing and double charging schemes. I don't think they'll accept an agreement for anything less than per unit pricing inclusive of license fees unless the courts force something different on them.
    --- Post Merged, Dec 13, 2018 ---
    Please read up on FRAND. That changes the playing field significantly.
  25. MoreRumors? macrumors 6502a

    Feb 28, 2018
    Tim's eyeglass lens
    So a campfire is not good enough and adding more fuel to transform into a bonfire...SMH.

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