How exactly is Apple lagging? This chip isn't even out yet and if X Elite is anything to go by (same type of hype, pre-launch) then there's not a lot to worry about for Apple!
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Qualcomm Says New Snapdragon 8 Elite SoC Has 'World's Fastest Mobile CPU'
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You clearly aren't familiar with the Stage Manager and a tad over zealous on the DEX 🤣
There are external GPU's running with Raspberry Pi 5's now - which is ARM (several people working on it, Jeff Geerling has a web page with details and YouTube videos showing it running stable recently)
Oh ok, I honestly thought you were supporting my statement since you were saying that cable is expensive because it has exclusivity in areas therefore no competition, but then I was confused by “his example checks out” at the end.
But I think I see what you’re saying here—that you need multiple streaming services in order to get all the same channels that you had with cable, so in that way competition (supposedly) increased prices.
But that’s not an example of competition driving up prices, that’s an example of fragmentation. Fragmentation is very different from driving up prices across the board. It just means that there is now potentially tougher choices. This makes it more expensive for those who don’t want choices but want everything, but cheaper for those who do only want specific content. It’s competition that keeps the prices of those individual choices down. (It also keeps the quality of those individual choices up.) And because players in the new streaming market are not only competing with each other but also with players in the old cable market, and vice versa, it probably does keep the prices in both markets from raising as fast as they would without the competition.
Clock-speed is obviously important as is the software running on the device.
Memory is equally important. Speed to that RAM is critical in using this memory and Apple utilises RAM more efficiently than Android. I was just having another scan at some of those claimed benchmarks they are using to tell everyone how great this thing is.
Memory Bandwidth of up to 10.7 Gb/s. The A17 Pro from Apple is 51.2 Gb/s. And that’s last years chip, with less than half the Memory Frequency of the A18. LPDDR5 (3200 MHz) to LDDR5+ (7200 MHz). So the Apple chip still maintains its lead in RAM speed of about 5 times! Apple is definitely not lagging and is still ahead of the market.
But all in all, who the hell needs a faster phone? The only reason I upgrade is to make sure I am on the latest software, or have a better camera. I really don’t think this is going to make a difference to anyone’s life playing Plants v Zombies on the train.
I think something got lost in translation here. It’s 10.7 Gbps per pin, or 85 GB/s for the 64-bit interface if my math is correct. Apple uses slower RAM in iPhone 16, I believe at 60GB/s.
Still, there won’t be many phones utilizing that RAM. It’s new and not produced in high volumes. It’s only suitable for a flagship phone that is not expected to sell in high numbers.
I wasn’t aware. Thanks. But as you say. It’s not likely a deal breaker anyway. It’s crazy how powerful these phones are already.
Based on Geekwan's new youtube video, A18 Pro has lower multi-core score. It was based on a engineering product. So take the results with a grain of salt.I’m surprised no one has mentioned iOS 18.1 making substantial differences in benchmarks for the iPhone 16 Pro. Putting both single core and multi core out of reach for the SD8gen4 if their numbers are to be believed.
A18 Pro closes in on Snapdragon 8 Gen 4 in multi-core, dominates single-core score in Geekbench
Although Apple's A18 Pro SoC resides at the very top of smartphone CPU performance for now, its reign may turn out to be rather short-lived, thanks to the upcoming Dimensity 9400 as well was Snapdragon 8 Gen 4 SoCs. However, a recent Geekbench listing portrays a shocking boost to A18 Pro's...www.notebookcheck.net
The power efficiency of Qualcom's new CPU looks better too.
Yeah I don't think the discrete GPU support is an architectural limitation, more of an implementation / firmware limitation. Nvidia has kernel drivers for Linux on ARM64, for example. It's likely that MacOS and Windows don't support something that low-level in their ARM versions.
Those who have access to the documentation for it have run the numbers and provided that as their assessment. Knowing that these are raw metrics, no OS, no apps, it can only perform worse once it’s in a flagship.
It is cheating to compare against Apple’s latest, though, whatever they release will always be behind. They should compare it against Apple’s chips from 2 years ago.
The folks at Asahi Linux have said that there are no GPU commands leaving the SoC for Apple Silicon, so even they can’t get eGPU’s to work.
And thank you for your meaningless trolling, where you failed to provide an anecdote, let alone a citation! 😁
Also, anecdotal observations work fine as a counter to an absolute. If you say cars don’t have 4 wheels, and I say my car has four wheels, that proves your statement wrong. What my statement can’t do is prove all cars have 4 wheels.
The More You Know.
I can't speak to the strangeness of Apple's designs. Apple uses ARM instructions, but the designs are all their own. I would argue A/M series chips are better described as being ARM-compatible rather than ARM-based.
It's highly likely that the GB6 MC score for the SD8g4 will be higher than the A18's. But it's highly unlikely that this will be beneficial to almost anyone. See my recent post about this. SC score is much more important, in any case.
As for power efficiency... color me skeptical. They couldn't do it with the 12-core (SXE), and I don't think they'll manage with the 8. But I guess we'll find out when someone actually ships a phone with this chip, which will be... when exactly?
(Answer: possibly never, since ARM seems intent on pulling their license completely!!!)
I tend to agree. I should clarify, I am saying that any company’s marketing numbers should be taken with a grain of salt until they can be tested by third parties, regardless of a companies track record on those figures panning out.
How long before peak performance gets throttled, because it’s too much heat? 3 seconds?
NAH I stick with Apple
NAH I stick with Apple
If I remember correctly, wasn’t this something to do about the drivers expecting a certain device memory caching behavior to work that Apple does not support? “GPU commands” are what the driver makes them to be, they are not somehow limited by the platform. But if you can’t make the driver run due to a low-level incompatibility, that’s a problem.
There are multiple layers to ARM. Apple Silicon is 100% compliant with the instruction set and its semantics. It is not compatible with the usual kernel-level interface for ARM however. I am not sure how much of that ARM fully defines and how much is a convention adopted by manufacturers. The point is that you can’t just boot an OS written for other ARM systems without extensive modification.
No, you got that wrong. The reason was not a faulty antenna system, but users holding the iPhones wrong. The taller signal bars were actually for better readability.
Well this is all moot now because ARM just cancelled Qualcomm’s IP license!
Doesn’t matter how fast something is if you can’t sell it.
www.bloomberg.com
Doesn’t matter how fast something is if you can’t sell it.
Arm to Scrap Qualcomm Chip Design License in Feud Escalation
Arm Holdings Plc is canceling a license that allowed longtime partner Qualcomm Inc. to use Arm intellectual property to design chips, escalating a legal dispute over vital smartphone technology.
www.bloomberg.com
They did not just catch up..Snapdragon Elite makes A18 Bionic look like last year Technology
I wish...check Geek Bench 6 and AnTuTu scores for Snapdragon Elite...they are already ahead of A18 Bionic
If you mean the device tree, Broadcom, Qualcomm and others use one mechanism, and Apple uses a different one (reminiscent of Open Firmware from the PowerPC, SPARC days).
I don’t believe ARM itself makes recommendations on that. It’s more of a convention, whereas on x86, BIOS used to be and now EFI is.
As a result, Windows can boot from Qualcomm and Broadcom (Raspberry Pi) because it knows how to enumerate devices there, and not from Apple, because Microsoft never implemented the HAL for that (though perhaps they could resurrect Windows NT for PowerPC code, but either way, it probably isn’t that difficult to implement).
It’s 10% slower per core than A18 despite 7% higher clock. How does it make Apple look like last gen tech? Mins, they are using the same process and everything.
Sure, 8 Elite is 12% faster in multi core geekbench, it also has more cores that run at considerably higher clock compared to Apple E-cores. Frankly, it is not a good showing for Qualcomm that it’s 8-core complex only barely outperforms Apples 2+4 configuration given that Apples E-cores only offer 1/3 performance of the P-core.
To make it clear, I am not trying to diminish Qualcomms achievements, they made an incredible product. It’s just from the technology standpoint I don’t find Elite 8 very impressive compared to the state of the art. It does not excel in its base architecture and it packs multiple cores to achieve good benchmark scores. You are not buying a phone to crunch numbers, so I never understood the emphasis on high multicore performance anyway. Of course, compared to Intel/AMD these cores are very impressive indeed.
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