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For a movable second laptop to use with iMac for me, the FHD screen would be quite enough.
Don't think I'll need Retina in the business trip now.
 
This supports my claim device speeds arrived at "good enough" a few years ago about the time Intel ran into a wall on performance increases in silicone based x86 chips.

The improvements have largely been to software and services and I heard a rumour also bug fixes. The graphics seem to have gotten better on the devices that use late model Intel chips and of course they sip power better being a smaller die resolution.
Actually Air could have gotten a very significant upgrade years ago. As for hitting a performance wall, it is more a question of Intel not trying. Apple hasn't hit such a wall and neither has AMD,
AMD actually is in the drivers seat again (just barely but there).

We all know how well Apples A series is doing performance per watt but AMD has made significant strides with its chips one of which is the Threadripper series just updated today. Sadly I think Intel lost its way.
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If only people remembered how slow, clunky, and expensive laptops were back in the day. See: https://pifflelab.com/2012/07/22/computers-the-1990s-you-paid-how-much/

$999 for an amazing laptop (opposite of Chromebooks) seems inexpensive to me. How much should we expect for minimal money?

Apple should be able to easily hit the $700 mark and keep quality up. They would need to use an A series processor but performance would be better that todays Mac Book. If they went AMD they might have to bump up the price into the $800 range.
 
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Low cost notebook from apple?

Sooo Intel Pentium Silver, 4GB of DDR3 soldered, 64GB soldered SSD, 1 usb type C port, 1366x768 resolution 11" screen.

-999$
Ouch that's indeed quite an inexpensive Mac...actually possible though given its "low cost"....
 
Does seem like a no-brainer - people love the Air.



Well, neither the MacBook or the non-touchbar MacBook Pro got an update at WWDC, so the whole lower end of the laptop range is ripe for a re-shuffle.

I'm wondering if the non-TB MacBook Pros are for the chop: even if the "starting price" of the new low-cost machine is $999, the options could easily take it up to the $1300+ range...

However, the other alternative might be an updated nonretina machine at a lower price: bear in mind that most of Apple's competitors offer 1080p entry-level options: even "premium" ranges like the Dell XPS13 start out at 1080p before moving up to 4k.

Sorry to break it to you, but Dell's "non-retina" 13" 1080p screen offers a higher native resolution and more screen real estate than Apple's 13" MBP.
 
The 2017 non-Touch Bar. The current 2018 13” MacBook Pro starts at $1,799, and the new rumored 13” machine will start at $999. So it’ll be less “pro” than the current Pro.

What form that “less pro than the Pro” takes is the subject of much debate. How does Apple take the 2018 MBP and de-feature it to take $800 off the selling price? My opinion:

1) No Touch Bar
2) 15W CPU instead of 28W, so lower performing CPU and GPU
3) No Thunderbolt 3 ports
4) Retina/P3 display optional
5) Entry level dual-core
6) 16GB RAM, and larger SSDs not configurable on the entry level model
Not sure the coming budget laptop can replace a mbp, even if it's a 2017 version. After all, being inexpensive would mean less better hardware than mbp 2017.
 
I don't see why the Air even exists anymore. Maybe because of MagSafe and the non-dongle USB port, and keyboard.

If push came to shove and i had to buy a Macbook today, I'd be buying the Macbook Air (because of the keyboard - i know it will still work in 6-12 months, jury is out on the 2018s, and the 2016-2017 machines are definitely flawed).

That's pretty sad, given it would be a downgrade from the machine i bought 3 years ago.
 
It doesn't matter how Apple's copy writers try to spin it - retina or not, a TN display panel looks like crap compared to an IPS panel. A premium laptop manufacturer still selling laptops with TN screens is disgraceful. Maybe they will try to spin it as "integrated privacy screen"? :rolleyes:

TN panels have GARBAGE color replication. Slightest angle change and you get wildly screwed up colors (reds in whites, weird desaturations, etc.)

I will not buy a craptop with a TN panel.
 
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Edit: But in the case of the Mac mini, I wouldn't argue that it needs a design refresh. Give us decent internals + upgradable RAM + Space Gray as an option, and that'll be good enough.

That upgradable RAM part would need just undoing the boneheaded decision of soldering it down in the 2014 downgrade. It was upgradable in the previous iterations of the same case design, so there’s plenty of room for that.
 
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Almost certainly will be buying this to replace a 2010 MacBook Pro. Sat on the fence with getting the new Pros but would love to save a chunk of change and wait to spend money for more computing power when I get a new iMac. It is looking like my patience will be rewarded.
 
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I suspect that by the October, Apple’s ‘laptop’ lineup will look like this (and in order of price, ascending):

  • Ipad Pro w/ Smart Keyboard w/ *drumroll* trackpad
  • This new 13 ‘Air’ replacement
  • MB 12 - discontinued
  • MBP escape - discontinued
  • MBP 13 & 15 TB - as currently
‘Most people’ will be directed to the iPad Pro if they want a new computer.

College students and those that just want a new clamshell will be directed to this new Air.

Yes, it’ll start with an i5 processor 8GB/128SDD to achieve its starting price, but believe me there’s loads of people around who just want to do some light productivity tasks and to edit a few photos and family videos & (with iCloud Drive), they are never going to fill up that 128SSD.

Btw, this machine will never be cheaper than the iPad Pro w/ keyboard & trackpad though.

The current 12 MB will be discontinued as the intel Y chips will continue to be expensive with bad price performance ratio. Besides, you’ll be directed to the iPad Pro or new MB 13.

MBP escape will go. Those who want a 13 inch laptop for light business productivity tasks will be directed to the new 13 MB 256 SSD.

This then will open up a pricing gulf forcing those that definitely need mobile pro performance computers onto the MBP.

Already this lineup is feeling more sane than Apple’s current line up.
 
Sorry to break it to you, but Dell's "non-retina" 13" 1080p screen offers a higher native resolution and more screen real estate than Apple's 13" MBP.

No - the 13" MBP has a 2560x1600 screen, c.f. the 1920x1080 "FHD" you get in the lower-end (but still $1k+) XPS 13s. The more expensive XPSs have "4k" UHD (3840x2160) screens which is "better" than the MBP on the "bigger numbers are better" basis - but is a massive overkill on a 13" screen (People use a 40" screens at that resolution!!!).

The 1080p Dell is higher res than the current MacBook Air's 1440x900 - but then with a non-retina screen which pretty much has to run at native resolution, you have to consider how small you want the text and icons to be... The next step up (without going retina) would be 1680x1050, which might make things a bit small.

If Apple did manage to put a 2560x1600 screen in a < $1k laptop, that would be pretty good value c.f. competing "premium" PC ranges which usually start at 1080p.
 
Whilst I agree.... i'd still have to buy an MBA today if i had to buy a new macbook :-\

It's strange, isn't it. They sell a few devices with screens with the best color replication (instead of making a high refresh rate a thing across the board) and devices with screens with the worst color replication.

Don't give them sales on a device you don't want. Send them a message.
 
It doesn't matter how Apple's copy writers try to spin it - retina or not, a TN display panel looks like crap compared to an IPS panel.

I said "nonretina" not TN - they could still update the display without going retina. Oh, and TN displays have got a lot better - I've got a Dell S2817Q 4k TN display sat next to my iMac and while its obviously outclassed by the 5k iMac its a perfectly good general-use display and doesn't have a noticeable viewing-angle problem (or i'd find it useless as a secondary display).
 
If only people remembered how slow, clunky, and expensive laptops were back in the day. See: https://pifflelab.com/2012/07/22/computers-the-1990s-you-paid-how-much/

$999 for an amazing laptop (opposite of Chromebooks) seems inexpensive to me. How much should we expect for minimal money?

Its because life changed, in 1996 computers was luxury, the whole WWW was invented in like 1993. Today computers are a requirement. You almost can't get work done or study without one. Some people own more than one computer! They also tend to be highly consumable, while you can still drive 10-15 year old cars, a similarly aged computer is unusable at all. In fact, it will have a hard time just displaying websites.
 
This is really not true anymore of Windows. Windows 10 is a much better product now and has come a long way. I work with Windows everyday and rarely see the issues I used to. But I do agree MacOS is better.

Win 10 is better, but it’s still an absolute mess with a combination of the newer Windows universal apps, .net & the classic Win32 applications all being able to run on it.

Not to mention a Windows application strategy that has changed every year ie first it was to use the new universal app framework, then it was to wait whilst MS revamped it to include fluid, now it’s ok to add fluid UI elemental to old Win32 and .net apps...

Yes, it means it means Windows 10 is super compatible but it also means that it has to carry loads of legacy APIs in order to do this - with the problems that this brings.

Compare with macOS where Apple have been ruthless about getting rid of older frameworks - with even OpenGL about to bite the dust soon.

Not to mention the unholy mess that is the windows 10 user experience with settings all over the place and apps like Mail and Calender seeing UX changes every few months but with obscure systems utilities seemingly unchanged from the Windows 7 days.

I do tend to think that MacOS is more stable whereas Windows 10 feels like living in a multi year renovation project.

Having said that, I’d love it if MS could make Windows so it all felt consistent with all apps switching to tablet modes seamlessly, as was promised. They just seem to be woefully unable to execute on that vision.
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I think it will be an iOS based iBook. Why else would Apple all of a sudden rename iBooks to Books? However, that does not mean that it will replace macOS, but rather offer an inexpensive alternative for those (the majority I guess) that do not really need the power and versatility of macOS. They will sell millions of them/iBooks (since they are comperatively cheap and iOS is already known and used by millions) and continue to charge high prices for the Macs purchased by those who really need them.

Good thinking!

Here’s another idea: I wonder if the iBook name is going to be used for Apple’s first ARM Mac laptops?

It would be a way to differentiate them and convey the fact that these devices are not powerhouses but instead have long battery life and mobility as their key features.
 
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No - the 13" MBP has a 2560x1600 screen, c.f. the 1920x1080 "FHD" you get in the lower-end (but still $1k+) XPS 13s. The more expensive XPSs have "4k" UHD (3840x2160) screens which is "better" than the MBP on the "bigger numbers are better" basis - but is a massive overkill on a 13" screen (People use a 40" screens at that resolution!!!).

The 1080p Dell is higher res than the current MacBook Air's 1440x900 - but then with a non-retina screen which pretty much has to run at native resolution, you have to consider how small you want the text and icons to be... The next step up (without going retina) would be 1680x1050, which might make things a bit small.

If Apple did manage to put a 2560x1600 screen in a < $1k laptop, that would be pretty good value c.f. competing "premium" PC ranges which usually start at 1080p.

You are mistaken. Apple's 13" MBP with a 2560 x 1600 screen only provides the screen real estate of a 1280 x 800 screen. Apple's "retina" screens take lower resolution screens and double the pixels to provide better clarity at the same 1280x800 resolution. Thus any 1080 screen will provide more screen real estate but offer less sharpness.

Personally, at 13", I prefer the additional screen space [provided by the 1080p panel].
 
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Your last sentence hits the nail on the head of the issue. Customers are tired of a too much of a good thing. iPod has a great click wheel? Too bad here's touch screen where you can't skip or stop w/o looking at the device and also you have to click 2-3x to do what used to take 1 click or spin. Laptop is nice and functional, light, and affordable? Too bad, here's a thinner, more expensive, more dongle-needy laptop with a buggy keyboard. Like your iOS and apps that's doing the job for you just fine? Too bad, here's a radically reinvented change for the sake of change iOS with a new UIx for navigating thru apps, mostly because it's different and new.

Change is unavoidable but truly smart & useful change is done by so few really talented designers who don't let 1 aspect of a design get over-prioritized, those of which I wish Apple had more of.

Great! To add to that: here’s a series of phones that you can use one handed, now here’s a collection of jumbo phones that are so heavy that you can kiss goodbye to them if you drop them.
 
It doesn't matter how Apple's copy writers try to spin it - retina or not, a TN display panel looks like crap compared to an IPS panel. A premium laptop manufacturer still selling laptops with TN screens is disgraceful. Maybe they will try to spin it as "integrated privacy screen"? :rolleyes:

There is no excuse in 2018 for a 999+ laptop to ship with a sub 1080 panel that's not IPS.
 
Great! To add to that: here’s a series of phones that you can use one handed, now here’s a collection of jumbo phones that are so heavy that you can kiss goodbye to them if you drop them.

Yup. I’ll add:

Great! To add to that: here’s a series of phones that you can use one handed, now here’s a collection of jumbo phones that are much more slippery to grip and so heavy that you can kiss your uncracked screen goodbye after the inevitable drops for the item you carry around more than the thoughts in your head since Apple’s genius designers continue to think only of how a phone looks for advertising than thinking about durability.
 
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