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I think id like Macromedia to buy quark, itd be the missing app for Macromedia. Im even one of the few that prefer Freehand to Illustrator.

we are happy to move from 9 to X, and even to ID from quark, but weve recently upgraded to Quark 5 after problems with 4, but NONE of our repro houses have quark 5 let alone ID, so we have to downsave to Quark4.
 
Quark Sucks

What you guys should try is MS Paint 5.0.1b

word around the campfire is you can use capital letters now...

www2.microsoft.com/usethissoftwareoreelseyouuglyloserface.htm
 
I'm with you

Originally posted by greenfruit
I think id like Macromedia to buy quark, itd be the missing app for Macromedia. Im even one of the few that prefer Freehand to Illustrator.

we are happy to move from 9 to X, and even to ID from quark, but weve recently upgraded to Quark 5 after problems with 4, but NONE of our repro houses have quark 5 let alone ID, so we have to downsave to Quark4.

I'm also one of the few that prefers Freehand over Illustrator.

Macromedia can take parts of freehand and polish them and it would make a killer pagelayout program ( whishful thinking)

Cheers
 
I love that feature

Originally posted by greenfruit
if they did the multiple page sizes in one doc that freehand does in a quarkesque app, itd be great.

I created multiple pages in all kinds odd sizes and it's as simple as point and click:D

try that with illustrator or Quark heck even with InDesing.

Too bad Macromedia is draging its feet on an upadte for Freehand they should be by now on Freehand 10.2.
Macromedia where are you?
 
Re: ID2 speed

Originally posted by jayscheuerle
Mangoman, how fast is the box you're running ID2 on? Its sluggishness drives me nuts on a 450 (as did OSX's in general until I got used to it).

Anyone else? At what speed machine does ID2 not feel so darn sluggish? - j

My colleague that I mentioned (geesh, am I spellin' that right?:confused: ) runs InD on a 450mhz. I've used his machine--and it IS slower than I want it to be. Frustrating. He, on the other hand, has the patience of Job. To answer your question: I run 933MHz Quicksilvers at home and at work, and at the risk of sounding like an ******, I'd hate to be running anything slower. So yeah, I'm with you, InD seems to be a hog for memory, processor, or both.

:(

I STILL wanna see Quark go down in flames. Heh heh...
 
Re: I love that feature

Originally posted by Wash!!


I created multiple pages in all kinds odd sizes and it's as simple as point and click:D

try that with illustrator or Quark heck even with InDesing.

Too bad Macromedia is draging its feet on an upadte for Freehand they should be by now on Freehand 10.2.
Macromedia where are you?

I'm one of those longtime Freehand devotees, too. Yep, one of the Freaks. And I also wish they'd get off their butts and improve the app. Sometime this year would, um, be nice...
 
i started using Freehand from 0.97b when it tookover from whatever the version before illustrator 88 was. It could do grads in text without converting to paths and i though 'WOW!'

of course we had cricketdraw at that time too, and we had quark 1 boxed up till a year or so ago when it got 'preened' in a clearout.
 
Re: This sinking feeling....

Originally posted by jayscheuerle
Quark has always had that feeling like it was designed by and for engineers or CAD people.

It has no soul...

Perfectly put, I've had that same feeling for years but couldn't quite articulate it.

I like ID quite a lot, but I'm a broadcast guy and my print needs are minimal.
 
Actually, we probably don't want to see Quark go down. If Quark went down, there wouldn't be any competition for Adobe. The reason why ID cost much, much less and is being updated continuously is to try to switch people over from Quark. Once Quark has died, Adobe can raise the price and slow down development. Just Look at how expensive other professional Adobe products are.

Adobe products (except photoshop) run really slow! GoLive 6, it takes about 10 min to open up a site with 2000 files (including graphics) on a PM G4 466. GoLive 5 on my 7600/132 opens that up in 4 min, and v4 opens it up instantly.

Illustrator 10 is much slower than FreeHand 10 (When I tried out both on the 7600).
 
Quark CEO lives in neverland

Originally posted by greenfruit
no, just enough to be easily readable, heres a smaller one

http://madeonamac.homeunix.net/~matthewm/blog/images/sml-goodbyemrquark.jpg

and this is quicker http://homepage.mac.com/greenfruit/sml-goodbyemrquark.jpg

Quarks acts as if it the only game in town, may have been for a while it was but not any more.
The fact that the is that they though they could f*** their customers as long as there was OS 9, then X came along and all developers jump on but they did not so now they tried to save face by saying the OS X is a dead end OS, they think by blaming apple the problem wil go away.

They just plain suck they are slow in development, at it shows now they are paying for it. Quark thinks that programs should be develop like it was in t '60s.
DIE QUARK DIE !!!!
 
Thus lies the problem with both programs..one of processor power...even if ID is slow, surely new processors will make a massive difference?

Once that is resolved it may be easier to make decision about upgrading fairly easily...
 
We made the ID switch at our agency 6 months ago and will never look back.

Who I think will end up buying Quark will not be Macromedia but the ugly giant himself Microsoft. Think about it. The only missing market Microsoft has yet to put a dent in is the core market for Apple...publishing. What better way than to obtain and control the product that dominates that market?

Quark's CEO is forgetting that most if not all ad agencies in the U.S. are Mac based and that creatives would rather switch careers than switch platforms. I can't speak for all creatives of course, but those who I am associated with will never cave to a PC.

The college in which I am associated with threatens every year to yank the Macs from campus and I remind them every year that if they do, I won't teach the design courses and they would be hard-pressed to find any worthy design professional to teach it as well. I am an adjunct, so I have very little to lose when being so brash.

We designers truly are passionate about our tools of the trade.
 
Quark isn't alone

There are many more apps used in pre-press that need to be updated. The company's that produce this software must relize that they need to get their programs into X NOW because their hurting Apple and the company's using their products. If you can code the whoel damn app to begin with I don't see it being impossible to port to carbon at least.
 
Re: Why IS Quark Dragging its feet?

Originally posted by faustofernos
The one thing that nobody talks about, or discusses, is WHY such a wealthy company can't come up with OSX version of its ONLY software application.

You commonly see following in companies that have several big corporate clients...

A price structure based towards corporate/professional (perhaps prosumer) that price gouges because these customers can write it off as a business expense.

A payroll structure based on commissioned sales and hand-holding for such clients.

In short- more spent on directed marketing, than Research and Development.

When Canon the camera company developed desktop copiers and laser printer technology, you saw something similar happening. A very affordable low maintenance product that in addition to giving people access to their own copier for the first time, also attracted the old type of high margin profit customer, corporate middle management that didn't have time to change the toner on their copier. So you saw a lot of payroll dedicated to coddling that dee[ pocket customer, that at the same time, tried to sell up the people that bought the affordable model.

I can't totally fault the model-- if Quark had not bothered to give free seminars way back when, a lot of people may never have realized it could work circles around PageMaker for example. But once that workforce is entrenched, it is difficult to redistribute development funds, as long as the sales force keeps up their end of the bargain, they stayed.

That is why most of us got phone calls asking the rather obvious question why we had not bought Quark 5, instead of a cheaper email telling us when the product we might actually want (ready for OS X) would be ready.

Quark is finding its fat cat customers have IP departments that are Wintel based, and that it has a better chance of competing in the Wintel market, where Pagemaker, which it can easily beat, is still a majority platform. They see more growth there, for the business model they are presently using, one heavy in sales dweebs and short on coders.

On the Mac side, the competition is harder, independant sorts that have less chance of being coddled by a personal sales rep instead of results.
 
The hell with quark

I think Quark is being bull-headed about their stance toward the Mac platform. Here is a company that hasnt updated the interface on their flagship program since 1986. The only reason QuarkXpress is sucessful is because it's been around so long, that most designers and presshouses are afraid to switch, which I can understand. Adobe has proved with Indesign 2 that page layout can be done right. Come on, features like transparancy and multiple undos should have been in Quark a long long time ago. Quark has bullied this industry into thinking that they are the only game in town. Its nice to see Indesign light a fire under their ass. I've only used Indesign since 1.5 came out, and life is good.
 
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