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Quark 6 Preview - Part 2

Originally posted by beatle888


...page maker did everything quark did. and what it didnt do as well as quark would of been implimented in updates if the application was supported. but it wasnt.
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thats funny, because adobe is still making PageMaker, are you saying they have come out with new versions and haven't supported them?

If they 'would have implimented' new features in PageMaker, why would they start all over again, and build Indesign.

im done with this thread...back to work
 
Originally posted by areyouwishing

im done with this thread...back to work
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Not ME! I'm all for a Smackin'-Quark-on-the head-like-a-baby-seal kinda Friday afternoon!

WHACK.
WHACK.
WHACK.

😱
 
Wow. THAT low, huh?

Originally posted by mangoman
Here, this is defamatory: Quark is evil and must be stopped, and their customer service is lower than whale sh*t.

How's that?

😉
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By the way, how low is Whale sh*t? I thought it was pretty high... 😀
 
Originally posted by areyouwishing
If they 'would have implimented' new features in PageMaker, why would they start all over again, and build Indesign.
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Adobe kept pagemaker because it's big with the PC/flyer/clipart crowd.

Because of that though, it carried a stigma for publishing pros. Adobe created InDesign as the "luxury line" of its layout apps. Kind of like what Lexus is to Toyota.

Pagemaker fans would have cried fowl at the big shift, but since ID was a new program, Adobe felt they could apply all that they've learned from Pagmaker (and Quark's) shortcomings.

ID2 is doing quite a bit right, but I'm looking forward to ID3 sealing the deal.. - j
 
sorry, but this is too much fun...

Originally posted by jayscheuerle
Adobe kept pagemaker because it's big with the PC/flyer/clipart crowd.

Because of that though, it carried a stigma for publishing pros. Adobe created InDesign as the "luxury line" of its layout apps. Kind of like what Lexus is to Toyota.
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You just proved my point, when Quark came out, it was BETTER than Pagemaker, thats why people switched, i don't think anyone switched because of a stigma. I would admit that post '97 people use quark only because its the standard, but we have gotten this far because of quark, it did revolutionize the industry with its ease of us. Just like InDesign is doing now, revolutionizing again, but with its feature set.

All in all, i think competition is great, there would not be a quark 6 in 2003 (crossing fingers) without the advent of Indesign.

http://www.quark.com/about/presscenter/prview.jsp?idx=322 This has a little more info about the new quark.

But, jay, please keep in mind, i agree with you, Indesign is the best Professional DTP thus far (in its feature set, not its UI).
 
Re: Re: Looks like InDesign to me.

Originally posted by Chuck
Gee Whiz, you guys have got serious issues! Any old excuse to heap abuse upon Quark, eh?

Take this comment for instance. It's too funny for words. Quark accused of copying InDesign, how ridiculous. It's just not even worth going there.

I'm sorry but how mature is it to write all these kind of posts to a legitimate thread about the company that has lead the page layout arena for over a decade.

I am in total agreement that Quark should have moved on to OSX a long time ago. But hello! That's not news to anyone.

Any mention of the name Quark in a thread and you boys just jump in and crack poxy jokes that you've cracked in 18 threads before this one. Well ha ha. Obviously I wasted my time reading this one.

Chuck.
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You're right in a lot of ways. These people go on and on beating the dead horse. They should be told not to spam over and over.

Quark continues to amuse though.
 
Nothing better than a good Quark bashing session

I love it, it makes me all fuzzy inside to see quack been bashed. 😀
 
Re: Re: Re: Looks like InDesign to me.

Originally posted by bousozoku
These people go on and on beating the dead horse.
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Yes (grunts)... but the d*mn (kicks) thing (grunts) ... isn't... quite (kicks harder) dead...

...yet.

(pulls Glock 45 from holster. racks the slide)
 
More ever so funny wisecracks. Why don't you guys just start a thread called 'unfunny flaming Quark jokes' and stay there.

I'm outta here.

Chuck.
 
Re: Quark 6

I have three words to describe Quark 6- pitiful, pitiful, and pitiful.

I actually wasted a half hour downloading one of the pre-releases floating around, installed it, and took it for a spin- has anyone else here done that?

About all I can say for it is, yes, it does function natively in OS X, and yes, it did seem to run for a while without crashing or doing anything terrible.

Apart from that, I might as well have been looking at a copy of Quark 3 running on my Quadra many, many years ago.

If I might politely inquire- what the HELL have these "Quark" people been doing for the last five or six years? Quark is rapidly becoming the Phil Spector of the DTP industry. I have *never* seen such a feeble port of an OS X app- my God, I'm surprised they didn't recode and include the Apple Font/DA Mover so we could all feel like we've gone back to 1987.

In case you're wondering, I've been a Quark user for many, many years. I long defended them to others, and championed the fact that their Applescript-ability allowed this program to run circles around their competitors. No longer, though.

I'm afraid that Quark long ago succumbed to SGI syndrome- "We're the best- we're the top of the market, no one can touch us! Now let's just sit back and rest on our laurels for the next five years or so..."

And look where it got SGI.

Sorry Quark, but you've got another long-time ex-user who's a sysadmin for a very large motion picture ad print department who is now fervently evangelizing for InDesign... too bad guys, you had the DTP industry by the tail, but you blew it.

Hope you socked away plenty in those 401ks when you had the chance... 😉
 
Originally posted by areyouwishing
thats funny, because adobe is still making PageMaker, are you saying they have come out with new versions and haven't supported them?

If they 'would have implimented' new features in PageMaker, why would they start all over again, and build Indesign.

im done with this thread...back to work
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go read my post again. all i said was quark did not make the publishing industry. if they didnt exist we had other options. damn AYW why the attempt to spin my words? stick to the flow of the convo. i have no desire to waste my energy explaining the obvious to you.
 
When did I say quark made the industry? I said Quark made the industry what it is today. To further exemplify...what it is today, both the good, and the bad.

I will stop "spin"ing your words if you stop assuming the relevancy of my points.

Stick to the flow of my meticulously constructed sentences before you start badgering me about a "well thought" statement... please.

you can stop wasting your "energy" now.
 
Re: Re: Re: Looks like InDesign to me.

Originally posted by bousozoku
You're right in a lot of ways. These people go on and on beating the dead horse. They should be told not to spam over and over.

Quark continues to amuse though.
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It's the personal criticisms by people like this and Chuck that are against the rules of this site and should be considered spam.

For the record, my first comment in this thread, which seems to have inadvertantly touched some raw nerves, was the first I've ever posted re: Quark. My second comment made a thoughful retraction, also before the sparks started flying. These guys did not bother to factor in my second comment - which demonstrated MY lack of bias.

SHEEEESH! You guys have got issues! Perhaps you need to see a QUACK! 🙂
 
quark is a touchy subject for a lot of people that have had to use the program for years without any innovation from the company.

there 4.0 update still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. i cant speak for everybody but when people say how solid quarkis and that its an industry standard so get use to it, well that also leaves a bad taste in my mouth (i just woke up and brushed my teeth 😀 can you tell). and to top it all off, from the (dead) horses mouth itself, quark bashes the mac platform saying something like its days are numbered and that mac users should move to the pc.

maybe if they would stop trying to make quark into some web development tool they would have 6 out by now. they seem to feel that a brochure contructed for print will translate directly into a website. i think any designer or art director would agree that the design for the two mediums are approach differently.

grrrrr i just dont want to have to use quark anymore. im not afraid of indesign. to me its more like a breath of fresh air 😱 😉
 
Originally posted by beatle888

...page maker did everything quark did. and what it didnt do as well as quark would of been implimented in updates if the application was supported. but it wasnt

Originally posted by areyouwishing
thats funny, because adobe is still making PageMaker, are you saying they have come out with new versions and haven't supported them?
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no, im not saying adobe released a new version and the industry hasnt supported them. why would i say that when indesign is adobes publishing tool for the industry?

what i was saying is AT THE TIME when quark and page maker where still batteling it out, like what 93 or so. if quark wasnt around we would of just used pagemaker giving pagemaker the support 😱 needed to push itself further by development and refining its tool set. people chose quarke because at the time it was a BIT easier to use. it wasnt this stand alone in the spotlight application, pagemaker was right there with it.

anyway, its a new morning and thought i would try to explain to you what my original post was about. i think saying quark made the industry what it is today is a bit grandiose. they didnt shape desktop publishing with any innovative tools that werent already available in pagemaker. quark just became the preference. not the originator. thats all i ment. i hope that helps.
 
See, my take was similar to what happened with AOL, and prodigy.

Prodigy brought the idea of an ISP to the mainstream, but AOL just did it better, now a lot of people are stuck with AOL today.

I can see it both ways, i don't know if adobe would have really spent the time in making pagemaker a better app, without the competion, similar to how quark is not innovating now, until they saw the threat of indesign.

The only app i think i have ever seen that has been great without competition is Photoshop....but that is just an opinion.

Anyway, I agree, its a new day. Thanks again!
 
Is everybody just barking at the same tree?
Devide and Conquer? betting on just one horse?

Who are still working with Quark?
Who are still working in OS9 ?

What would it take to bring those People/Company's over the new OSX ?

Why are people from Adobe finding jobs at Apple?
Why has Adobe recently turned 180, from mac-friendly to mac-bashing ?ie. switching focus towards PC market.

What's going to happen in the month's to come?

we're all very eager to see Apple release X.3 Panther together with IBM's PPC 970.

Quark is going to release 6, will they be so stupid NOT to be in on that major leap forward?

Apple wants everybody to buy there new hardware.......
 
Originally posted by mangoman
Here, this is defamatory: Quark is evil and must be stopped, and their customer service is lower than whale sh*t.

How's that?

😉
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Sounds about right. I have my copy on the way and Im a little scared actually. From what Ive already heard it sounds like its going to be a bugfest.
 

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Girdth thyself with Strength and Patience, brother. And if ye fail, thy hand will rest easy on InDesign's light yoke.

Godspeed,

mangoman
 
Re: Re: Looks like InDesign to me.

Originally posted by Chuck
Gee Whiz, you guys have got serious issues! Any old excuse to heap abuse upon Quark, eh?

Take this comment for instance. It's too funny for words. Quark accused of copying InDesign, how ridiculous. It's just not even worth going there.

I'm sorry but how mature is it to write all these kind of posts to a legitimate thread about the company that has lead the page layout arena for over a decade.

I am in total agreement that Quark should have moved on to OSX a long time ago. But hello! That's not news to anyone.

Any mention of the name Quark in a thread and you boys just jump in and crack poxy jokes that you've cracked in 18 threads before this one. Well ha ha. Obviously I wasted my time reading this one.

Chuck.
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Chuck has a point here. Which is why I will be using Quark until the day that I start hearing my prepress vendors say, "Were seeing more In Design Files than Quark files lately". Until that day (which is a long way off) Quark owns the layout arena.

[By the way, nice little forum here, I actually went looking for some kind of forum regardign Quark 6 and, here it is, in a familiar format no less 😀]

Anyway, jump on quark all you want, piss and moan but its going to be a round for a long time and no magazine changing a column from Quark to In Design is going to change that. As far as Im concerned that magazine is trying to make a statement, and its a good one, but it will be to no avail Im sure.

- JB
 
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