Question about authenticity of Link Bands

Discussion in 'Apple Watch Accessories' started by saltd, Jun 17, 2017.

  1. saltd macrumors 6502

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    So, I just received a link Band from an eBay seller, who advertised it as 100% authentic Apple. New open box. Box is authentic. Upon looking closely at them, I noticed that the etching on the inside of the butterfly clasp is missing, as well as the "assembled in China" etching on the lug. Plus, they don't feel very sturdy.

    The seller maintains that they are real, even without those etchings. For those of you who have these bands-does an absence of the etchings always indicate a fake?
     
  2. pcall1128 macrumors 6502

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    If it's real, all the above mentioned etchings should be present. Your seller either doesn't know what he's talking about or he's trying to rip you off.
     
  3. Arran macrumors 68040

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    Yep. Sounds fake to me.
     
  4. epca12 macrumors regular

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    No, most bands on ebay and even other online places are fake. They may be good quality but they're not authentic. I'm guessing they weren't charging anywhere near Apples price for it, if that is the case then assume it's 3rd party. You should be able to get your money back
     
  5. Relentless Power, Jun 17, 2017
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    Sounds like you received a replica or third party counterfeit. File a claim with eBay if you haven't already and you are covered through Pay Pal as well. Contact the seller and advise them of your findings. Document pictures for Pay Pal and EBay. And save all messages from the seller.

    Please report back and keep us updated.
     
  6. pcall1128 macrumors 6502

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    Good point, you'll get your money back no problem. I'm interested to hear about what happens as well. Who is the seller?
     
  7. Relentless Power macrumors G5

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    I think your question was intended for the OP. But the steps I recommended is how it should be handled with fraudulent sellers. This is why I stray away from eBay anymore. Hopefully it all works out.
     
  8. pcall1128 macrumors 6502

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    Yes it was intended for the OP, I should have wrote a separate comment for that. I agree with your comments on fraudulent sellers, so many of them out there. eBay provides adequate buyer protection but unless you're buying from Apple you just never know.
     
  9. saltd thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Thanks for all of your input. The seller has agreed to issue a full refund, but still maintains that they are genuine. The seller has been very cooperative about it, so we are just agreeing to disagree. I'm actually convinced that they believe them to be real. It is a reputable seller by the standards of eBay, but also a very high volume seller of Apple products. Nothing in their feedback suggests that this is a regular practice, so maybe this just slipped by them as well.

    I actually ordered two, and both are in unquestionably real packaging. Their feedback is 99% with over 25,000 feedback, so I felt that it was a safe sale given that they stated 100% genuine more than once.

    So...lesson learned-eBay is a minefield for items like this, and if it seems to good to be true, it is.
     
  10. OriginalAppleGuy macrumors 6502

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    OP - you didn't state the price you paid. The "fakes" tend to go for $60 - $80 while "real" Apple Branded bands go for $450.

    The definition of authentic allows something to not be branded, but to adhere to the standards of the branded item. SO in a way, both of you are probably right. If it's 816L stainless steel, has the butterfly clip, and press to release links then it's probably adhering to those standards.
     
  11. saltd thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Yeah, I've been watching these on eBay for awhile, and I'm usually very patient and a deal comes along. I'm always on the lookout for that sort of loophole in the item description.

    But that's a good point. Language is tricky, with genuine vs. authentic etc.
    Navigating that can be PITA. In this case the seller stated "100% genuine Apple product", and also sold it in real Apple packaging-so he didn't cover his butt very well if he was trying to sell a fake as real.

    One thing I did find odd was that after I bought them, the item couldn't be found through searching on eBay(specifying "sold items" in the search.). It makes me a little suspicious, as other items sold by the seller within that same day show up.
     

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  12. AndrewR23 macrumors 68040

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    Wow thats an incredibly good fake.

    That might be worth 90$ for the fake. Can you upload the link? Wanna see if there is 42
     
  13. OriginalAppleGuy macrumors 6502

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    I should have keyed in more on the real Apple Box it came in. That picture sure makes it look like it is in fact the Apple band. Wow, that guy has balls. Apple would slay him if they got a hold of him.

    I heard people will pay money for Apple boxes. Guess this is one of the things they do with them.
     
  14. Cogsworth macrumors 6502

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    That price certainly is "too good to be true".
     
  15. saltd, Jun 18, 2017
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    You got that right! I'm pretty embarrassed that I fell for this one, considering that price....but there are sometimes amazing deals on there if you're not in a hurry. I picked up a lightly used Milanese Loop on there recently for 31 bucks including shipping(a real one).

    These "look" nice enough in photos, but the fit and finish falls short when it's in your hands. As has been said before, it's the last 10% of Apple's manufacturing process that makes these so special. And these did NOT have that.
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    They don't have any other bands, and the ones I bought are not shown in his selling history(?).

    Trust me, they weren't worth 90 bucks. Very shoddy. Mostly they sell unlocked iPhones and other Apple merch. No bands though.
     
  16. Cogsworth macrumors 6502

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    Well you never know unless you take a chance, especially when they claim it's genuine. I'll bet a lot of people wouldn't even be able to tell the difference. I got my link bracelet last year for $270 from a guy on eBay who sold a bunch of them, and it was authentic. There was a thread here about it. I thought that was a steal at the time, and though they were the genuine article I'm sure the seller was obtaining them by questionable means.

    That was a great deal on a genuine Milanese though!
     
  17. fischersd, Jun 19, 2017
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    Actually, that picture proves it's a fake. The link that's reversed, showing a silver release button. Apple's release button's are DLC coated, like the rest of the band and they're bigger than that one, in relation to the size of the link. (just looking at mine).
    A pic of the back of mine to demonstrate:
    IMG_0362.JPG

    Edit: I don't see "Made in China" stamped anywhere on mine. Inside the butterfly clasp, it has stamped 42mm (in an oval), then underneath 316L Stainless Steel

    And, yes, I know mine's from Apple - I bought it from Apple with the watch - received in June '15 :p

    Also, if anyone suggests that it's the connector that's silver, it isn't - everything is dlc coated. Every surface that is visible to the consumer is black.
     
  18. saltd thread starter macrumors 6502

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    I'm pretty sure you should see that etched on the on the end of the connector that slides into the watch. Reads: "assembled in china"

    So, getting ready to ship these back, and I noticed another thing or two-these have 8 links on either side of watch that are non-detachable instead of 6 that the real Apple products have. That could be a deal breaker for people with tiny wrists.

    Also, the one band doesn't even have the quick detach buttons....so that's a fairly big problem if the seller wants to maintain that these are genuine Apple
     
  19. fischersd macrumors 68040

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    I'm telling you - there is no "assembled in china" on my band on the connector - but mine isn't the accessory either - it came with the SBSS 42mm watch. There is nothing stamped on the connector. Only stamping on mine is on the butterfly clasp.

    Yes, you're right - the 42mm has 6 stationary and 6 removable links per side (the 38mm may have fewer links).
     
  20. saltd thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Thanks for checking on that second etching. I know the Milanese loop has it, but that proves the Link bracelets don't.
     
  21. saltd thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Here's the marking I was thinking of below. I just grabbed one off eBay for 220 shipped. The guy sent me pics of his receipts and all of the markings. This one came with a watch as well, but it was a first gen.
     

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  22. fischersd, Jun 19, 2017
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    You don't think June of 2015 was first gen? :) Heh. We were all on here every day waiting to see who shipped. :)

    Yes, I looked again - nadda. Put it under a bright light and magnifying glass. If Apple's doing that now, they changed their manufacturing process to do it, as the first watches didn't have it.

    The only for-certain tell-tail that you have is the etching inside the butterfly clasp - haven't seen any clones doing that (methinks if they do, Apple would sue them into non-existence). It's one thing to make a copy/clone - it's another to create an actual counterfeit. (and, yes, Apple's been successful getting a lot of storefronts for the clones taken down on Amazon).
     
  23. WarHeadz macrumors 6502a

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    Sell the watch and get some of your money back.
     
  24. Arran macrumors 68040

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    Yep, I was wondering who'd buy an empty box.
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    Mine's the same. Genuine link bought directly from Apple.
     
  25. saltd thread starter macrumors 6502

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    He's just selling the band, not the watch. Otherwise, I'd certainly go that route.
     

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