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heraldo_jones

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Hello friends, these past few days I was testing a 15" M2 Macbook Air to see how it would perform for my music production and coding tasks (if you want, you can read about my experience on the Gearspace forum here and here), but I encountered a rather serious problem that led me to return the device:

When creating test projects for audio, whenever resource usage exceeded 75% (in Studio One, in Logic it was much higher due to the poor resource management of this program), and the temperature reached around 85-90 degrees Celsius (which I consider acceptable), after playing for a few minutes, the clock speed started progressively decreasing until the temperature stabilized at around 70-75 degrees Celsius. This resulted in a loss of performance, and the project started glitching, requiring a few seconds to stop before being able to play normally again.

I don't know if there is any sensor that the TG Pro program doesn't display, indicating that it might be overheating, or if Apple has configured this device to be above 80 degrees Celsius for only a few minutes. I hope to understand that a device with the M2 chip and adequate cooling system will not have this problem (for example, the Mac Mini M2).

Can any user of a Mac Mini M2 (regular version, not Pro) confirm if this throttling also occurs on the Mac Mini when it exceeds around 3-4 minutes of usage above 80 degrees Celsius? What I also see is that most people use the device as it comes out of the box and don't use applications like "TG Pro" or "Mac Fans Control" to adjust the cooling curve and prevent the device from reaching a certain temperature. It seems very strange to me that people prefer extreme silence even if it means the device reaches high temperatures, rather than keeping it well-cooled with some fan noise.

Thank you in advance.
 
Unfortunately I'm an M2 Mini Pro owner, so I'm not who you want to respond, but my own usage of Mac's is so close to yours I have to respond. I had an M1 MBA and like you, mine throttled heavily when doing my own workload. Not music for me, but VM based development and testing, but well over 80C and even heavier throttling.

You most likely wont see that problem with a base M2 Mini, it wont get up to 80C as it would already have ramped up the fan speed to start cooling it down. I haven't experienced any throttling in mi Mini Pro, ever, nor on the machine I had before that, an M1 Max Studio.

Like you, I'll take normal fan noise over overheating and throttling every single time.
 
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I also have an M2 Pro but the normal M2 Mini has a fan and I think lots of benchmarks show that the M2 Mini doesn't throttle where the M2 Air will. An M2 Pro Mini is worth considering over the base M2 as it's a pretty modest increase in price if you're already looking at a M2 Mini with 16GB of RAM, which is a practical minimum for a lot of work. If you're comparing to a 8GB/256GB M2 Mini, then peace, it's considerably more expensive.
 
MacMini will handle sustained workloads better without throttling. It does not matter wich version of M chips you will use.

Did you consider a 14"MacBookPro? It will do everything that a MacMini would, and it comes with a better chip and it has the portability of a laptop 😀

It's worth mention that the fan in MacMini is not loud, it can be heard, but it's not annoying.
 
Hello friends, these past few days I was testing a 15" M2 Macbook Air to see how it would perform for my music production and coding tasks (if you want, you can read about my experience on the Gearspace forum here and here), but I encountered a rather serious problem that led me to return the device:

When creating test projects for audio, whenever resource usage exceeded 75% (in Studio One, in Logic it was much higher due to the poor resource management of this program), and the temperature reached around 85-90 degrees Celsius (which I consider acceptable), after playing for a few minutes, the clock speed started progressively decreasing until the temperature stabilized at around 70-75 degrees Celsius. This resulted in a loss of performance, and the project started glitching, requiring a few seconds to stop before being able to play normally again.

I don't know if there is any sensor that the TG Pro program doesn't display, indicating that it might be overheating, or if Apple has configured this device to be above 80 degrees Celsius for only a few minutes. I hope to understand that a device with the M2 chip and adequate cooling system will not have this problem (for example, the Mac Mini M2).

Can any user of a Mac Mini M2 (regular version, not Pro) confirm if this throttling also occurs on the Mac Mini when it exceeds around 3-4 minutes of usage above 80 degrees Celsius? What I also see is that most people use the device as it comes out of the box and don't use applications like "TG Pro" or "Mac Fans Control" to adjust the cooling curve and prevent the device from reaching a certain temperature. It seems very strange to me that people prefer extreme silence even if it means the device reaches high temperatures, rather than keeping it well-cooled with some fan noise.

Thank you in advance.
The Minis have an active cooling system - a fan - that the MBA does not. This issue should not be a problem with a Mini or any Mac that has a fan. You may want to look into a device that better suits your work.

Separately, where did you see the data for the claim that "What I also see is that most people use the device as it comes out of the box and don't use applications like "TG Pro" or "Mac Fans Control"... "? That line made me curious.
 
When creating test projects for audio, whenever resource usage exceeded 75% (in Studio One, in Logic it was much higher due to the poor resource management of this program), and the temperature reached around 85-90 degrees Celsius (which I consider acceptable), after playing for a few minutes, the clock speed started progressively decreasing until the temperature stabilized at around 70-75 degrees Celsius.
Yeah, as others have said, literally any other Mac besides the MacBook Air will have a fan that will kick in and let you work with sustained processing loads without processor throttling.

I guess the "Air" part is short for "Air cooled" at this point.
 
Separately, where did you see the data for the claim...
It's obviously his own conclusion, his opinion based on what he did see.

I can't understand why people are so obsessed with sources for everything one could say, it's just an opinion. No data supporting it, as it should be.

I'm sorry if I sound rude.:)
 
I'm sorry if I sound rude.:)
Yeah, a little. No big deal.

I don't know why you would call it "obsessed" to ask for data about a factual claim made here. If the OP saw that themself, or read it somewhere, I'd love to hear it from them. I don't want to write off someone's statement here as uninformed opinion, especially when it doesn't sound like it is.
 
I've heard my m2 Pro Mini twice in the six weeks I've had it. Both times were when I was doing some apparently muscular things in Premiere and Topaz Video AI, as well as all my usual daily apps. The fan got up to 3,200rpm and I had to turn off the Mac's sound to make sure it was the fan I was hearing, not very audible.

Usually it runs at 1,700rpm no matter what I'm doing, or 2,300 if something complex is running, but that's still inaudible. I check it with Macs Fan Control app but I've used it only in Automatic mode.
 
It's obviously his own conclusion, his opinion based on what he did see.

I can't understand why people are so obsessed with sources for everything one could say, it's just an opinion. No data supporting it, as it should be.

I'm sorry if I sound rude.:)
Exactly this statement. I have been using control fan apps since my first 2009 Mac Pro but reading forums there are a lot of people complaining about fans not ramping up enough faster, or Macs getting hot without control and I've always asked myself the lack of interest of people searching for a simple solution as a software fan control system 😅
 
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As an M1 mini owner I've never seen it go above 50°C. Even rendering scenes with Blender where all 8 cores are running at full speed for about 10 minutes I've never heard the fans ramp up nor seen the temperature go above 50°. It's a huge difference compared to my 2012 i7 mini that used to idle at around 70°C. From what I've heard, the M2 can run a tad hotter but the cooling in the mini is more than sufficient to keep it cool as it was originally designed to handle the hotter Intel chips.
 
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I have only had my mini Pro for a few days now, but even when it was restoring my iMac files I never heard a fan, or any noise at all.
 
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