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I don't understand people's dislike of Siri. It works great for my wife and I. Siri rarely misunderstands me. I do wish it had more access to information but as far as doing things like texting, emails, reminders, calendars, directions...etc it works great for me. And those types of things are more important to me than finding out what sound a cat makes. I also have a Nexus and to be honest I am not any more impressed with Assistant than I am of Siri.
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Haha aren't all rumours questionable?

lol. That was exactly my first though when I read that.
 
I found it's got worse. I barely use it these days except for setting reminders. Even then, I found myself hoping I can recall what I meant when my phone reminds me to "what a joke" (water jug) or "Hey the Internet Hill" (pay the Internet bill).


Worse, "create a reminder" means (in Siri speak) don't create a reminder, modify any random active reminder. And "what song is this?" might mean "what song is playing on the radio" or it might mean "pick a random song, start playing it, then tell me what you picked".

It's pretty crap.
 
This is very exciting. I have wanted Siri to use all the gathering abilities she has on my iDevices to anticipate my actions and learn my behaviors. I want my phone doing things I do regularly (ie, muting volume when I arrive at "work", un-muting when I leave "work", playing only downloaded music when not on wifi, setting my alarm everyday based on calendar events, pulling up my grocery list when I arrive at the market, etc).

I feel like all of these are possible with current technology. Its a matter of a localized Siri to watch my behavior and know my contacts and appointments.
 
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If Siri enhancements place it on par with the capability inherent in Google Voice, then it's a HUGE win for Apple and its consumers.
 
I just can't get excited about any of this when half the time "Hey it's Sofiya Siri" doesn't even work (on the phone, it's decent with my watch) and the times that it does it often doesn't provide me with pertinent information any better or faster than a manual google search would provide. It's been around too long for its performance to be, what I consider, bottom of the barrel.
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If Siri enhancements place it on par with the capability inherent in Google Voice, then it's a HUGE win for Apple and its consumers.
Every year I tell myself "this is the year". And every year I'm sorely disappointed.
 
This is very exciting. I have wanted Siri to use all the gathering abilities she has on my iDevices to anticipate my actions and learn my behaviors. I want my phone doing things I do regularly (ie, muting volume when I arrive at "work", un-muting when I leave "work", playing only downloaded music when not on wifi, setting my alarm everyday based on calendar events, pulling up my grocery list when I arrive at the market, etc).

I feel like all of these are possible with current technology. Its a matter of a localized Siri to watch my behavior and know my contacts and appointments.

Unfortunately, the automatic mute and un-mute when you arrive at and leave work is currently impossible for a very stupid reason: the physical mute switch. There's no way to flip that physical switch programmatically!
 
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Especially true for the Watch!
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Alexa sucks. I hate my Echo and wish it used Siri instead. Siri needs a lot of work but I'm really not a fan of Alexa.

I recently tested Alexa and I could not stand it. She was horribly slow and boring with the responses. It was actually to the point where Alexa annoyed me. Even though I like what Amazon is doing and expanding with Alexa, being it will need to be integrated further into the home automation world, Alexis far from being perfect. I actually prefer Siri.
 
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About time they expanded Siri's capabilities. I hope they offer user control over the cloud features, for those who need enchanced privacy. Myself, I'd be happy to let it know me across devices. My Mac and iPhone will finally get to know each other.
 
I just can't get excited about any of this when half the time "Hey it's Sofiya Siri" doesn't even work (on the phone, it's decent with my watch) and the times that it does it often doesn't provide me with pertinent information any better or faster than a manual google search would provide. It's been around too long for its performance to be, what I consider, bottom of the barrel.
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Every year I tell myself "this is the year". And every year I'm sorely disappointed.
I hear you. This is why the Google app still resides on my iPhone home screen (with sad Siri disabled).
 
Don't think so. Humans can learn language without getting data from thousands of people. I think a couple of hundreds are enough. Also I think for dialects etc there could be Siri instances for each language.

The human brain is genetically wired as a language machine. Until a computer can match the sophistication of the human brain's language centers, it will not be able to really learn language.
 
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Anything to increase the abilities and usefulness of Siri. Perhaps now she will know what Rugby is.
 
Stop development
All we need is an Alexa delegator
Siri => Alexa => Siri
Sorry just not going to work: To Siri "Turn down the music" Siri to Alexa "Turn down the music" Alexa to Siri "Turn your own music down B**ch":p
 
I found it's got worse. I barely use it these days except for setting reminders. Even then, I found myself hoping I can recall what I meant when my phone reminds me to "what a joke" (water jug) or "Hey the Internet Hill" (pay the Internet bill).


Worse, "create a reminder" means (in Siri speak) don't create a reminder, modify any random active reminder. And "what song is this?" might mean "what song is playing on the radio" or it might mean "pick a random song, start playing it, then tell me what you picked".

It's pretty crap.

I use 'set a reminder' and 'what song is this' quit often with no problems, so it's not a universal problem.
 
I don't understand people's dislike of Siri. It works great for my wife and I. Siri rarely misunderstands me. I do wish it had more access to information but as far as doing things like texting, emails, reminders, calendars, directions...etc it works great for me. And those types of things are more important to me than finding out what sound a cat makes. I also have a Nexus and to be honest I am not any more impressed with Assistant than I am of Siri.
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lol. That was exactly my first though when I read that.
My issue comes to this: "Hey Siri" (she replies that she is listening) I say, "Navigate to Kyle's Bikes" (she replies with, "The nearest option is Flix Brewhouse"). Or I ask directions to he Hy Vee grocery store and she responds with directions to the same brewhouse. Actually, for some reason, in the Des Moines metro area, she seems to think Flix Brewhouse is really the only spot you ever need directions to. Or I ask her almost anything else at all that isn't direction related and she simply performs a web search and has a list of results for me. Google's app is far better than any of that.
 
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Thinking about getting a Pixel for better voice integration (among other things). Siri is pretty much useless for me.
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My issue comes to this: "Hey Siri" (she replies that she is listening) I say, "Navigate to Kyle's Bikes" (she replies with, "The nearest option is Flix Brewhouse"). Or I ask directions to he Hy Vee grocery store and she responds with directions to the same brewhouse. Actually, for some reason, in the Des Moines metro area, she seems to think Flix Brewhouse is really the only spot you ever need directions to. Or I ask her almost anything else at all that isn't direction related and she simply performs a web search and has a list of results for me. Google's app is far better than any of that.

Perhaps you should go to the pub then?
 
I turned Siri off. Comically bad compared to Google's natural language processing engine.

Apple's obsession with privacy will never allow their offering to be good as Google's; you need collectively analyze all human speech to actually develop something that will understand all dialects, intonations, and nuances of a spoken language.

I find Google laughably bad at understanding actual words, it's Ok once it actually gets that, but it should take care of the god damn basics first.
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If what it does well matches what you need, well it works great.
The one thing I dislike the most is the fact it will pull out almost 100% the correct info from the web, but seemingly can't work on it using my voice. So, front end requests (1-3) often OK, but final manipulation needs hands on the screen.
Example, If I ask to read me the "I have a dream speach", I always get either the WIKI entry or the foundation that has MLK's material, but then if I try to get it to read it, it balks.
Doesn't happen with all requests of this type though, some I can say read me about X and it will retrieve it from Google or whatever and start to read it.

I think just make it more predictable how it will react would help.

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But some requests are 100% for me no matter how fast I talk while others say they don't work
Examples:

Give me a <ethnic cooking> restaurant near me
Give me the nearest <ethnic cooking> restaurant

Say, "give me a french restaurant near me"
Get a detailed listing and then I can ask to call or get directions.

Its very hard to get this to fail for me, just about 100%.
 
Can't disagree more with this. AI and speech recognition is in the very, very, very early stages. The war hasn't been won yet; it hasn't even begun. AI today is what the original Macintosh was to raw hardware performance.

Apple's staunch stance on privacy means they'll be going the longer and more difficult route, which I maintain will be the better approach in the long term. This is because the core recognition will evolve to recognise any speech and any language without having to reference lots of other data already collected.

Think Star Trek Next Gen/Voyager and see how crew or new visitors interact with the computer using speech; that's what I'm envisioning could still be possible with a commited AI team, whilst still maintaining an obsession for privacy. That's far from an impossible idea.

Yes, Siri does need a lot of improvement; nobody's denying that. But so do the others. With the leaps and bounds that technology makes every year, it's much too early to simply say that the only way forward in AI and speech/context recognition is data mining.

That's a nice spin and all, the fundamental reason is that apple has not been investing in Siri. If you don't invest in something, it does not improve. We can invisage all we like, investment needs to me made, and you need clever people to make it happen.

One can argue that's is much too late....with many apple owners jumping ship to products like Alexa....frankly Siri is becoming a joke ... using you Mac analogy, it's like apple stopped at the first Mac it produced....in this case bought actually. Siri seemed to be a markerting tool that apple never for serious with. It's not even in the race, but hey, keep thinking apple will do it right .... it the Apple TV of AIs.....a hobby product
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And maybe it doesn't need to be. Apple maps isn't anywhere as good as google maps, but it's still good enough for my needs and I have no issues using Apple maps as my default mapping service of choice.

I don't know if Apple's emphasis on privacy is because they believe so passionately in it or if it is simply an excuse to gloss over the fact that Siri will never be as good as google now even if Apple didn't care about privacy, but if Apple can make this work, I feel it is a compromise I am willing to make.

Apple collects all Siri requests, and stores them, what's the emphasis on privacy?
 
I've got another observation about the current state of Apple's AI. Above the keyboard are a list of 3 words that are predictions for the next word you're going to type. I'm finding these predictions unbelievably good. It takes a bit of time/training to get used to looking up and seeing what they suggest but once you do you'll find the results really amazing. Normally I type in 1 or 2 letters at the most and it's predicted the right word. There have been a few times when I haven't had to type anything and it's got the word I want right there. Apple's AI is much further ahead than what the messages on these boards would have one think.
 
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