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MatthewDNewton

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Hi,

I have treated myself to a new Mac Mini, I currently have a 2009 i7 iMac, the only problem is this only has a Ethernet, FireWire 800 and 4 USB 2.0 ports!!

From what I remember these are slow transfer speeds compared to the Thunderbolt and USB3.0 ports on Mac Mini.


Can anyone suggest ideas on how I can easily transfer my data from desktop to desktop? (ps the new Mac Mini is 2TB SSD BUT iMac is 1TB fusion with 500GB SSD with half my data on SSD and half my data on HDD)

I would look at stuff like buying adaptors etc etc as long as it isnt too costly.

PLEASE HELP ! Thank you.

Matt.
 
If you're really in a hurry, take out the disk and connect up to a USB-C interface like a dock. Otherwise, just connect via Ether, as suggested above, or USB. And if you find yourself being annoyed at the slow xfer time, just repeat the mantra "this is why I have a new Mac."

I strongly recommend not transferring any apps or settings. 2009 will bring along a lot of crud. Start with a clean install of apps.
 
Thanks guys I appreciate it!

10/100/1000Base-T is the name of the Ethernet , does this help determine its gigabit capability ?
Also I’m regards to the apps, I will just download from the Apple store when signing in through my iCloud!

out of curiosity , does migration assistant only go through WIFI or can it be done through Ethernet ?
 
Thanks guys I appreciate it!

10/100/1000Base-T is the name of the Ethernet , does this help determine its gigabit capability ?
Also I’m regards to the apps, I will just download from the Apple store when signing in through my iCloud!

out of curiosity , does migration assistant only go through WIFI or can it be done through Ethernet ?
Yes, you have gigabit capability. You can use ethernet with Migration Assistant.
 
Don't use Migration Assistant. Do a manual transfer of files you need. Catelina is very sensitive to old incompatible code.
 
Don't use Migration Assistant. Do a manual transfer of files you need. Catelina is very sensitive to old incompatible code.

this is what I am trying to figure out , how to transfer them the quickest way due to my old iMac only having certain slower ports haha
 
And your question has been answered. Use ethernet, don't use migration assistant. You did ask whether MA can be used via ethernet hence my warning.
 
Ohhh my confusion was linked to it my
apologies !

so I can manually transfer data through Ethernet ? Sorry for being an annoyance but how would the computer pick up the Ethernet is connected and do I need to change settings etc ?
 
I would have thought Time Machine was your fastest and easiest route, assuming you have a backup drive with a USB 3 connection. If you want to go the Ethernet route you'll probably need to browse for the other computer cmd+k with file sharing enabled on both computers and then connect that way.

There is a big difference though between fastest and best. You are more likely to have fewer glitches over the longterm if you clean install apps and basically start fresh, only copying over essential data from the previous computer. The time required will very much depend on what you do, but I recently used this an an opportunity to reorganise both computers.
 
Good shout , I will end up just transferring my main project documents and license keys and any other stuff but RE download the apps from the App Store.

thanks for your help I’ll look up about the file sharing route
 
Fishrrman's "you can do it!" routine for migrating to a new Mac:

If you follow my instructions below, I guarantee a success rate of 98%:
PRINT OUT these instructions and check them off as you go along.

1. BEFORE you do anything else, run a "final" backup on your old Mac. Use an external drive for this. It can be either TM or a cloned backup using CarbonCopyCloner or SuperDuper. I prefer CCC.
I STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU DO NOT USE TM AS YOUR "MIGRATION EXTERNAL DRIVE". INSTEAD, USE EITHER CCC OR SD. Things will go better this way!
2. Shut down the old Mac and disconnect the external drive
3. Take the new Mac out of the box and set it up on the table. DO NOT PRESS THE POWER ON BUTTON until step 8 (read on). You don't want to begin setup until "the right moment".
4. If you're using an external display, connect the display using the usb-c/VGA adapter/cable that you have
5. Connect the keyboard and mouse if you use them. I STRONGLY SUGGEST that you connect them DIRECTLY to the Mac.
6. If you use a hub, leave it DISCONNECTED for now
7. Connect your backup drive -- use a usb-c adapter if needed.

OK, we're ready-to-go, so let's get goin':
8. Press the power on button for the first time.
9. The new Mac may ask for help "finding" the keyboard, just follow instructions.
10. Begin setup. At the appropriate moment, setup assistant will ask if you wish to migrate from another Mac or drive. YES, you want to do this.
11. "Aim" setup assistant at the external backup. Setup assistant will need a little time to "digest it all". BE PATIENT and give setup assistant the time it needs.
12. You will now see a list of things that can be migrated, such as applications, accounts, settings and data.
13. I suggest that you select ALL of them.
14. Let setup assistant "do its thing". It's going to TAKE A WHILE to move things over. Again, be patient. If you have a lot "of stuff", it will take a lot of time!
15. When done, you should see the login screen. Go ahead and login.
16. Once logged in, things should look pretty much as they looked on your old Mac.
17. You should check all your apps. Some may not run, and may require upgrading.
18. You can set aside the old backup, or ... "repurpose it" to become the backup for the new Mac. I'd keep the old one around for a week or so, at least.
 
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This is basically what I've always done and have had very few problems at all. I agree with using Carbon Copy instead of Time Machine. I have backups with Time Machine, BackBlaze and Carbon Copy on my systems, but always use Carbon Copy for migrating.

However - just to be clear - if you follow these directions you *will* be using Migration Assistant (which automatically runs as part of the setup process). I don't quite understand why Migration Assistant shouldn't be used. Back in the "old days" (15 years ago, for example), Migration Assistant really didn't work well. But I have used it exclusively since 2011 when setting up new machines with no problems.

Maybe something has changed with Catalina? I installed Catalina on the original Apple internal SSD on my 2012 quad Mini and used Migration Assistant, just to see what would happen (this was just a test run, to try out Catalina and not a production machine). Catalina has made some changes where things are stored - it creates a separate partition for your user files, for example. It ended up moving some data to new folders in that partition because it was stored in places that Catalina considers part of the protected operating system. This didn't seem to pose any real problems though. And, of course, any old 32-bit apps will not work under Catalina but that is expected.

In my case, I had a clone of my laptop on an external SSD and that's what I used for the migration. It was surprisingly fast moving over 100gb of data. Only took a few minutes. But for the OP.... you should already have a clone of your old Mac. If you don't, then start thinking about a better backup strategy. Bootable clones are really good to have. If something goes wrong with your computer (or if it's stolen) the clone will allow you to get back up and running instantly on another Mac. Time Machine backups are not nearly as good for this. They need to be restored to the new Mac before you can use it, and that might take a long time. I like Time Machine and have a Time Capsule, but really only use it for times when I've accidentally deleted or changed something important and want to revert to an old version. I would only use it as a last resort to restore a full disk.
 
Ok all , thank you for the suggestions and guidance! I will give that a try.
Ive heard using these old apps and transferring them over to my new Mac may cause many issues after they have been transferred , what’s the situation with this?
 
Ive heard using these old apps and transferring them over to my new Mac may cause many issues after they have been transferred , what’s the situation with this?

I'd love to know also, because I can't think of "many issues" that will be caused by migrating old apps. Have not seriously used Catalina for anything yet, so maybe there is some problem I don't know about. In my test, 32-bit apps were disabled and got a new icon that shows they don't work. But if you are going to update to new versions of these apps, it seems to me you'd want to have your old preference files on the computer, so everything will be the same. And I like the fact that Migration Asst will transfer all my settings so the new Mac is pretty much the same as the old one - right down to the arrangement of icons on the desktop.

I understand how there might be value to starting with a "clean slate" however, but it depends on exactly what was on the old computer as to how hard it will be setting up a new system from scratch.
 
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With Catelina I would not use Migration Assistant. As stated previously Catelina is more sensitive to crud from older systems with older apps installed. For example there was a .kext that was known to be a serious issue causing crashes when Catalina first came out and MA did not recognise it as problematic.

Use MA at your own risk. You have been warned. It's good practice to work with a clean install and manually migrate over files you need from time to time. You can move your preference files manually, but even those I would allow to be recreated with the exception of highly personalised preferences that would take a long time to recreate.
 
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Meh... I have been using migration assistant for years.... and hell... I have even used migration assistant to and from Hackintoshes and real Macs since 2011 and have never had an issue!
 
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Quick question, if your iMac blew up suddenly, how would you access the data that you created ?

If your answer is that it would be gone, please immediately sign up for a One Drive, DropBox, iCloud Drive, etc. Upload your created data, then set up your new computer with the applications that you use, access the data from the new computer (make sure it’s there), and wipe the old and dispose of it how you wish.

Please don’t only keep your valuable data only on the local hard drive of your computer. It’s also nice being able to easily access your data from any device from pretty much anywhere in the world.
 
I was using iCloud to transfer everything from a 2010 MacBook Air to a 2020 MacBook Air. It would take all night by the estimates from Time Machine. I bought a LaCie 1TB external SSD with USB-C and the whole process took about one hour. ~250GB of data. I used Time Machine with the SSD instead of the usual Time Capsule.

TC is great for automatic daily backups as they are made overnight when I'm sleeping. Don't know how long each one takes, don't care. They're done by the time I wake up. But I wanted this transfer ASAP so I could start using the new MBA. I got in on a 50% off sale on the drive, plus I had some Amazon reward credit built up. I paid about $100 for it.

LaCie Rugged SSD 1TB Solid State Drive — USB-C USB 3.0
 
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I was using iCloud to transfer everything from a 2010 MacBook Air to a 2020 MacBook Air. It would take all night by the estimates from Time Machine. I bought a LaCie 1TB external SSD with USB-C and the whole process took about one hour. ~250GB of data. I used Time Machine with the SSD instead of the usual Time Capsule.

TC is great for automatic daily backups as they are made overnight when I'm sleeping. Don't know how long each one takes, don't care. They're done by the time I wake up. But I wanted this transfer ASAP so I could start using the new MBA. I got in on a 50% off sale on the drive, plus I had some Amazon reward credit built up. I paid about $100 for it.

LaCie Rugged SSD 1TB Solid State Drive — USB-C USB 3.0

Yea, I’ve made that mistake before, never again. (USB drive)

See we aren’t talking about backups. It’s about files that you created. Word and Excel docs, audio and video projects, any coding, photos, and the like. Always keep a current copy in the cloud. Most software can be downloaded again. Heck, with a clean install of the OS and your apps, Cloning the drive might not be a bad idea.

My music and video files are kept on a NAS with mirrored drives. I used mirrrored drives because I don’t back them up because I have all the discs, but it takes a month or so to rip. :(
 
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@MatthewDNewton how is it going? This thread is super interesting to me as I am using a late 2009 IMac with a 1 tb ssd, and am considering upgrading to a Mac mini 2020.

I might stick with Mojave as I imagine it is more stable since it has been around for longer. I am planning to map what system requirements all my programs and logic plugin have, and if 64 bit and Catalina is not restricted in that mapping, I might try that route. I am torn between the rather filosophical question of migrating files to a clean install versus the clone option described above. I am learning towards a clean install. I do have all my productions on Dropbox so that migration would only require setting up Dropbox. The concept of Catalina beeing sensitive towards "crude data" sounds intimidating and maybe probably judging from my previous Mac experience of sometime buggy software. I must say that my knowledge on how Catalina and other macOS are built is limited so I really cant assess the likelyhood of those issues in detail.

But please, enlighten us with your progress

And BTW any Bluetooth issues? Those rumors are basically the biggest reason I dont have the guts to click that buy button..
 
I agree in general with TinHead88.

My experience over the last 30 years using, then fixing, Macs is this:
the cleaner the install, the cleaner the performance (PERIOD).

I used to do a CLEAN install: manual file migration, all preference files recreated... each time I did an OS upgrade starting from 10.3.9 to 10.4.x.

I used to wait until 10.x.3 service release came out for any os.

I used to keep my main machine TWO years / versions behind the current Apple one, as it seemed from all reports, and all the work I was doing on other's computers that this was highly beneficial for productivity unless there was some exceedingly important reason to upgrade, i.e. user needed latest version of X software of current version.

Sometimes undesirable behavior can be linked to a single corrupted preference file.

Then, later, when I decided 10hours of active time, and an entire weekend to get 90% of my Mac migrated over by hand and all preferences reset / recreated how I had them, etc. was too much of a pain in the A, and migration assistant had SOMETIMES worked without a hitch, I would use it every >other< time I upgraded macOS/X, and the alternating upgrade of the OS I would still do a clean / manual upgrade/migration.

For a while, one of my clients was a small school with about 20 Macs, I would refuse to upgrade more than one OS version at a time, I would not skip a single one, and insist that even in place OS upgrades would have to be used for a couple months, and if the users still couldn't work with that, then I would upgrade again, but only after things like mail, photos, etc. were allowed to be launched at least once and databases migrated/updated to the newer versions as is done on first launch after an os upgrade. Why? Because sometimes >skipping< an OS by upgrading from say, 10.10 to 10.12 would result in nasty results.

There are many more technical examples I could waste my time typing here, but if you don't get what those of us highly advising you to do a manual migration from, just a guess, 10.11? to 10.15 (four OS versions), you may get undesirable results, you may watch your Mac work on entire day on upgrading your iPhoto library to a "Photos" library... you may get antsy while Mail upgrades things, only to fail for some reason, or decide it's not working, and force quit or reboot.

You may, get off without a hitch. This is theoretically possible, and for some us, we are destined not to be in that group, hence our advice, for others, who might be professional programmers, they will say "use Migration Assistant! Otherwise you might forget/lose something in manual migration." Which is a perfectly valid argument in another way. Or "I've never had a problem, so why would anyone else?" Which is a little less sage advice, I hope you can see, one person's anecdote, is not another's reality. If computers worked perfectly, they would have been designed by computers. We're not there yet. As Apple continues to push its desktop OS toward its mobile one, more and more faith has to be placed in them, as more and more of our power tools are taken away from us or "deprecated" with the only justification being more control by them, and less by us. Unfortunately, computers are inherently flawed, just like their creators. After decades of troubleshooting them, I can say, programs do not behave as they are "supposed" to, including one called migration assistant, just because they were designed to. I have been able to intuit solutions to problems that programmers with far more experience and understanding of computers could not. Why? Because the programmers want a "reason". With a hundred (user facing) programs or more, the average computer's behavior cannot be explained in a logical manner. It's the interaction of dozens of tiny parts, like a clockwork skyscraper. Any little failure could be trivial, and affect nothing, or it could be catastrophic, and cause your computer to spontaneously reboot/lockup/lose data.

I'm back on Macrumors recently because my Mac mini 2018 running 10.14.6 had a firmware update rolled into a security update... now, even after a reinstall of the OS, I cannot manually sleep my Mac, it just reboots instead. Before I rolled back, to not having that update, it would reboot if it slept the screen or so with safari open. So I stopped using safari and went back to Firefox, but it still rebooted during energy saver induced sleep... I read that you can't roll back the new firmware type on T2 chips without bricking (breaking) your computer... I've read now too that Apple is aware of this issue and isn't planning to fix it... why? Because their solution is to upgrade to 10.15... oh wait, what about all my 32-bit apps which will not run if I upgrade? I can't get rid of all of them yet!

I just hope you choose the path that hurts YOU the least...

ugh...

Good luck.
 
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I've read now too that Apple is aware of this issue and isn't planning to fix it... why? Because their solution is to upgrade to 10.15... oh wait, what about all my 32-bit apps which will not run if I upgrade? I can't get rid of all of them yet!

I'm wondering if running Sierra in Parallels might be the best way to keep using 32-bit apps when I finally make the switch to a new Mac? Thinking about replacing two old Macs a Windows PC with one fully-loaded Mini with Parallels. Could really help keep the cost of this upgrade down if I can create a virtual machine of my old (Sierra) MacBook Air and continue using my expensive legacy software instead of updating everything at this time.

 
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