Qwertz -> Qwerty

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  1. Sven11 macrumors 6502a

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    Hello;

    I have a QWERTZ keyboard on my MacBook Pro. Is it possible to change it?
     
  2. mulo macrumors 68020

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    yeah, if your willing to pay.
    qwertz is german far as I know.
    you could just change the layout in system prefs
     
  3. Sven11 thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    How much is it?

    Do I need a new Top Case when they change my keyboard?
     
  4. mulo macrumors 68020

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    depends on how the return button looks, but they might just do that anyway, probably easier.

    I got it replaced for $200 on my old MBP, but that was a non-unibody, its a lot easier on pre unibody models.
     
  5. jlc1978 macrumors 68000

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  6. dusk007 macrumors 68040

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    Why don't you simply switch the Y and Z keys. (On youtube are tutorials for removing the black plastic keys and switching them) That is the one major difference. Although the funny thing is that if you are used to it quertz is better for English than for German and vice versa. Z is more important in German than y and in English it is the other way around. Those layouts are stupid for a reason but now we are used to it :(.
    English is way better for programming though.

    You'd only have to remember all the special characters that replace the Umlaute and all the special characters at different Positions.
    In theory if you switch to a UK Layout they might only have to switch the keyboard as this is has the same amount of keys. US keyboards are missing one key. I would always go for the UK if possible. I learned typing on the US and I still prefer the L shaped Enter you can just hit it more Enter like. It has more of a carriage return feeling than the US enter that looks like the shift key. And US keyboards do a worse job at different languages.

    It is also possible to get single black keys on ebay to switch them around but they usually demand something in the neighborhood of 5 €/$ for one tiny flimsy black plastic piece. To make the switch to a UK layout it takes 16-17 new keys according to my calculation. The 3 and 2 I would leave unchanged and some keys just have to move to a new position.
    That would be 80€ or $ unless you can find a cheaper source. If you do let me know. I also have the German keyboard but more because of resale value. I would like some more porgramming oriented UK one.
     
  7. Pablo90 macrumors member

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    QWERTY and QWERTZ keyboards are totally different, it's not just a key...
    The symbols, the accent, the special characters, the dashes/dots etc...
    Plus, there's not just one QWERTZ keyboard, but severals... It depends on where you buy your MBP: in Germany they have a different keyboard layout than in Switzerland or Italy, but it's always a QWERTZ....
     
  8. Sven11 thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Yes, they are totally different. Here are two pictures, that show the difference between the two layouts:

    QWERTZ: http://static.hardwareluxx.de/hardware/akaspar/reviews/apple_macbook/macbook_tastatur.jpg
    QWERTY: http://images.apple.com/macbookpro/images/overview-gallery2-20090828.png

    So you can see, that a few keys are bigger, smaller or on another place. (for example the return key) Because of this I think, that I need a new Top Case, right?

    Edit: I have already change the preferences. For iPhone and iPad is it much easier to change the keyboard layout. :cool:
     
  9. dusk007 macrumors 68040

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    @Paplo if you put my whole post into quotes than read it first.
    I did write that there are actually 16 keys entirely different and some simply on the wrong place. All you read is the first sentence.

    Z and Y though is the only real difference in typing text because all the special characters you never care where they are. Z or Y looks odd at the wrong place special characters you can simply map wherever you are used to find them, and you will rarely ever notice that you are typing on keyboard where they appear on different positions. Actually on the German Apple keyboard some special characters don't show up at all. You have to know where they are anyway in case you need them and looking at the keyboard doesn't help you a bit.

    And yes there are a few different QWERTZ but most of them are almost identical in all the most important parts. Switzerland actually only has a few different third level mappings and ist on the first identical and the second(shift) is two only with AltGr it gets a little more complicated because it is supposed to be trilingual.
    In my opinion the should have the i on a much more prominent spot. As Schwizerdütsch is such a cute language. ;)

    @Sven Jes but the UK layout is not that has the L shaped Enter key and is otherwise besides the Pound symbol almost identical to US with the exception of the one aditional key and the area surrounding the Enter Key. I am kind of getting the feeling I ask to much of you guys by writing so much text. It seems to be more difficult to read more than two lines of text than I guessed. Seriously either ignore my post altogether or show some respect for the time I use writing it and read it to the end.
     
  10. lewis82 macrumors 68000

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    You could get the French Canadian QWERTY keyboard. It's the same shape as the QWERTZ german keyboard, but it's QWERTY. It has è à é ù ç and ¨/^ keys (the latter being very useful for writing german).

    Good luck for finding it, though.
     
  11. jlc1978 macrumors 68000

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    Not really; but echt Wiener dialekt ist.
     

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