Rack 'em up...!!!

Discussion in 'Mac Pro' started by Boil, Jun 3, 2019.

  1. edgerider macrumors regular

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    yep!
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    this is what i wanted the most!
    my beloved xserve needs retirement !
     
  2. deconstruct60, Jun 4, 2019
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    deconstruct60 macrumors 604

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    Will be interesting if that is a variant motherboard or there is some kind of "redirect" in the wrapper rack casing. The power button and two Thunderbolt obviously can't be on "top" if rotate it 90 degrees and stick it into a rack. ( this power button is probably closer to the power supply. :) )

    Kind of a "top socket corner" they got into and out of. Plus probably cannot stability saw off the handles on the deskside, vertical version.

    P.S. and a different vent hole design (in number rows and columns. If filling a standard rack can commit a bit more to the width here. )

    P.P.S. Highly likely there is "rack case" surcharge attached.
     
  3. Boil thread starter macrumors 6502

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    From the dimensions, looks like no need to rotate 90 degrees...?

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    If Apple is charging a cool grand for a monitor stand, then you can bet the Mac Pro rack mount will have a premium upgrade price attached...!
     
  4. filterdecay macrumors regular

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  5. deconstruct60 macrumors 604

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    Airflow: front to back. That still has to be true when placed in a rack. Looking at the font view Rotate 90 degrees off of the feet and onto its side. The handle-frame of the vertical set up has to go completely; just like the power and TB sockets on top.

    Plus will probably need to be "tall" (rack perspective ) [ wider in vertical perspective] due to the double sided motherboard. ( not going to want cases above below to be too close. So a facade that is bigger than the container. )

    The rack mount points are vague in that photo also.

    It is a bit of taking away the business from the Sonnet folks.

    https://www.sonnettech.com/product/xmacproserver/index.html ( $1,500 )
    https://www.sonnettech.com/product/xmacminiservertb3.html ( $999)

    So yeah, probably at least a $1K.

    Technically this new standard Mac Pro case is even more "rack hostile" than
    the 2006-2012 one. ( 19" rack ( 17.75" gap 2019: 20.8" 2012: 20.1" ) It probably does work better on a floor. And I'm sure some narrow subset of folks will happy with wheels. Although that seems more like the "sit-and-spin-and-light up feature of the 2013.
     
  6. RyanXM macrumors 6502

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    I would imagine that at least 2", maybe even 3", of the 20.8" for the 2019 is for the handles and the feet. Take those away and it will fit in a standard rack.
     
  7. Boil, Jun 4, 2019
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    Boil thread starter macrumors 6502

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    I think that the only thing the same between the two is the internals, just dropped into your choice of chassis...
     
  8. RyanXM macrumors 6502

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    My point being that you can't take the dimensions of the desktop and say it won't fit. The picture clearly shows a different chassis as the power button and Thunderbolt 3 ports on clearly on the bottom of the front panel.
     
  9. edgerider, Jun 4, 2019
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    edgerider macrumors regular

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    to be honest i think the rackable one will be the one we want because it will not need fancy finishing and everything need to be accessible from top...
    I have never seen a server accessible from botom. flow also as to go from front to back it is a standard.
    i think it will be longuer to acommodate redundant psu... a rackmount server with no twin psu is out of question in IT world. also they could run more agressive fan profile.

    the macpro without the xserve is a less attractive solution and they need a complete solution as this machine are dedicated to big production house.
    this rackable version is the new xserve.

    production house will have regular macpro 7.1 on editor desk, and rack macpro with server apliance storage hooked to.
    one of those babe can serve media to 10 editor without breaking a sweat.
    slap a 100g fiber card a couple of vtrack or netapp chassis and voila tera and tera of apple storage ...

    don’t forget that 7.1 is twin 10gbe so basically you are looking at networks speed in the neighborhood of 1.8Gbs in link agrégation...
     
  10. zebity macrumors member

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    Hi Rackers,

    As a fellow racker and ex-Xserve owner this does not look good...

    Racked Mac Pro should be no more than 2RU and this look like 3 or 4.

    No hot swap storage up front and only single socket.

    An enterprise 2RU rack now-a-days has 2 x CPU, up to 24 x 2.5 inch sata/sas/nvme ssd hot swap bays, dual hot swap power and lots of PCIe slots out back, typically allowing 2 x GPU cards... but generally highly configurable.

    If I was going to build a Mac renderfarm, I would expect something similar in spec/configuration.

    Cheers,

    Zebity
     
  11. filterdecay macrumors regular

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  12. RyanXM macrumors 6502

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    Given the dimensions on the desktop version, my guess if a 5U.
     
  13. deconstruct60 macrumors 604

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    What I'm getting at is that because they perhaps planned ahead for another variant (with an even higher price point), they went ahead and make the vertical one even more "rack hostile". Because it doesn't have to pretend to even play that other role they can go even farther in the vertical direction to optimize in that orientation.

    May not be just "take those away" since they provisioned ports to the top ( which is the 'side' in rack context) they also have to move those too. Not logic board rocket science to have two "pads' for connectors, two different boards., or cabling (and re-drivers? ) added to re-route. So Apple has to put some overt effort into transforming it into something that is (19 inch) rack friendly.

    Servicing is another issue which is all oriented to vertical with the standard case and get more challenging when horizontal. (e.g., the outer case release handle is buried half way into the rack and cover can't come off unless completely removed from the rack. )

    I think Microsoft Azure has a Mac developer system hosting service. There are certainly more small-midsize players there. If Apple wants to follow Google , MS , Sony , etc into hosted gaming "in the cloud" with Mac gaming, these could pop up in a decent number of 'cloud' data centers ( and some of Apple's ). There are fair number of video folks that like to "cart up" (rack up) equipment. It is basically a different product with most of the same parts if they have done this 'correct'.
     
  14. filterdecay macrumors regular

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    IF you stack them how they show then you would probably have them on slides with access from the rear? Is that possible?
     
  15. RyanXM macrumors 6502

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    If I were a betting man, the top will open to access the components. Slide the rack out, open the top, reveals the innards.
     
  16. Flint Ironstag macrumors 6502a

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    If the rails allow it to slide out far enough for drive access, I'll live with it. Dual PSU and a lights out module would be nice. I'll be installing tons of these.
     

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