Rant pt.1

[MRU]

piracy is wrong mkay. Your argument for doing so is full of holes. Do you steal money to pay for rent, food, gas, clothes etc.... all those things are required by a design student too.

I'm sure the university do not expect you to have the software, and computers can be booked to do your project work on. Might be impractical - but it's at least legal.

 

[aristobrat]

TBH, i would not have upgraded, but got a really good deal ont his.

Wow, if you have to follow-up a purchase with a rant like this, then you really *didn't* get such a good deal.

 

[rdowns]

OK, we're now onto rant 2.
If I was to buy all the software I have used in the last 8 months it would cost thousands (Maya, Photoshop, Flash).

And if [removed by moderator] like you didn't pirate, the software would cost a lot less.

Where do people get this ridiculous sense of entitlement from?

Seems to be a major, major problem of many born in the 80s and 90s. IMO, one of the biggest problems we have in the workplace.

 

[MRU]

Seems to be a major, major problem of many born in the 80s and 90s. IMO, one of the biggest problems we have in the workplace.

Yeah I know what you mean, its like the world owes them a living or somthing and then they tend to justify everything they do with moribund arguments...

 

[xsedrinam]

Seems to be a major, major problem of many born in the 80s and 90s. IMO, one of the biggest problems we have in the workplace.

'Zat a call for retro revenge?

 

[TBi]

Where do people get this ridiculous sense of entitlement from?

What you mean ridiculous! Course we are entitled to everything, on a silver platter! Mommy n Daddy should buy it all for us while we play our PS3 down in the basement! We are also entitled to complain about a really good deal we got on a really expensive MBP, we are entitled to more for cheaper! Like free software that everyone else has to pay for!

 

[count chocula]

Seems to be a major, major problem of many born in the 80s and 90s. IMO, one of the biggest problems we have in the workplace.

while i know you werent saying all people born in the 80's and 90's are like milzay, i have to take issue with that statement. myself and most of my peers do not share the same opinions that milzay is expressing, in fact, i don't know anybody that does. because somebody pipes up with rubbish like this, don't think those of us who arent saying anything agree with him.

 

[iGary]

while i know you werent saying all people born in the 80's and 90's are like milzay, i have to take issue with that statement. myself and most of my peers do not share the same opinions that milzay is expressing, in fact, i don't know anybody that does. because somebody pipes up with rubbish like this, don't think those of us who arent saying anything agree with him.

He didn't say all, he said many, as you pointed out, and he is right.

 

[rdowns]

while i know you werent saying all people born in the 80's and 90's are like milzay, i have to take issue with that statement. myself and most of my peers do not share the same opinions that milzay is expressing, in fact, i don't know anybody that does. because somebody pipes up with rubbish like this, don't think those of us who arent saying anything agree with him.

As iGary pointed out, I said many, not all. I'm basing my statement on my personal experiences at work. I have over 40 people who work for me and my experience (and that of other managers at my company and other companies I have worked for) shows these people to fit the label I put on them.

 

[milzay]

Do you steal money to pay for rent, food, gas, clothes etc.... all those things are required by a design student too.

That's different, and before you automatically close your mind to what I am about to say, just please try and listen. The point is that in the future I will pay mass amounts of money to these companies. Right now I'm just getting to grips with them, they should be happy that I'm using their product, as its a long term investment. All companies offer incentives- Im getting a free inet upgrade and months free rent at my uni accommodation, a successful attempt to gain my custom. It really would not hurt them to offer free non commercial versions of their products. They should be grateful that I am adopting their software- long term benefits to them, whilst also a great incentive and goodwill gesture for consumers. Why are consumers nowadays so quick to side with businesses?
If people do use these programs for commercial purposes then it is wrong and they should face heavy fines.
Also note, the only programs I haven't bought are PS, Flash, Maya. This did just begin as a rant, just to let of steam, I would never change the situation I'm in (getting a MacBook at this time), and TBH in the near future I will purchase iWorks, however this issue of piracy is more serious to me.

 

[OnceUGoMac]

Where do people get this ridiculous sense of entitlement from?

Social Security?

 

[iGary]

That's different, and before you automatically close your mind to what I am about to say, just please try and listen. The point is that in the future I will pay mass amounts of money to these companies. Right now I'm just getting to grips with them, they should be happy that I'm using their product, as its a long term investment.

That's what trial and education software is for.

You don't seriously belive that Sony would give you a TV on the whim that you might buy one one day, do you?

All companies offer incentives- Im getting a free inet upgrade and months free rent at my uni accommodation, a successful attempt to gain my custom. It really would not hurt them to offer free non commercial versions of their products.

They do. Trial versions and educational versions.

They should be grateful that I am adopting their software- long term benefits to them, whilst also a great incentive and goodwill gesture for consumers. Why are consumers nowadays so quick to side with businesses?

They should be grateful that you are stealing from them?

If people do use these programs for commercial purposes then it is wrong and they should face heavy fines.

Again, this is why Education software is 75% less than the regular version.


Sorry, but your argument is not very solid at all.

 

[bousozoku]

Blue Velvet did you even try to read my last reply. Im surprised by your arrogance, to give a reply without even addressing any of the issues I mentioned. Please before you reply, read the previous post (not only targetted towards Blue Velvet).

I think you're missing the point. The software isn't yours to use and you have no claim whatsoever to demand that they upgrade their software to match your machine.

If you can't afford the software don't buy the machine. Use the machines the university provides, as I'm sure other people without means do.

It's sad that you think Blue Velvet is being arrogant since you seem to be arrogant and demanding of everyone else. The population of the world is not here to serve you.

Notes that job applications for computer-related jobs should ask if the applicant has pirated software at any point in time.

 

[aquajet]

That's different, and before you automatically close your mind to what I am about to say, just please try and listen...(nonsense removed)

As a former university music student, should I have been given a free double bass and bass guitar? I'll need an amplifier as well, along with cables, strings, rosin, etc. Since I was required to study piano, I'll need one of those as well. This could easily add up to tens of thousands, but I'm a student and am special and should be given these things, right? Just like you?

 

[notjustjay]

milzay, please step back, take a deep breath and re-read the nonsense you are spouting on these forums.

I am a software developer. For the record you will never be able to afford any of the products my company produces, nor would you ever be able to steal it, either. I'm not even that high on the totem pole yet in my company. But I'll tell you something, I am working my butt off for this career and I will not do it for free. If the world worked like you are demanding, people like me would not be getting paid, or we would be living in poverty, all so you can avoid paying for your software like everyone else, while living in your rent-free dorm room and surfing on your free internet.

You know what, if you're a frackin' cheap university student (I had another word in mind but the mods would never allow me to write it) then go ahead and pirate your software. Heck, we probably all did at one point or other. But DO NOT try to rationalize it in your fantasy world where I'm actually supposed to be GRATEFUL to little spoiled brats who apparently expect me to be at their every beck and call. Look at the other posters, like Blue Velvet and everyone else. You're standing alone on this one. You're being completely unreasonable and we are calling you out on it and yet you still have the gall to call US arrogant?!

Disgusting.

 

[milzay]

The money being made from uni students must be minimal to a business like Adobe, the real money's made from businesses. About time Adobe gave something back to the consumers, Maya have managed. (Had PLE edition on old com). Next you're going to be telling me thats wrong for Maya to be doing it.
Yes, I am the minority here, but statiscally there are many more people here who have pirate copies of PS, probably a lot similar to me, I guess they're hiding or staying quiet.

Heck, we probably all did at one point or other.

Interesting... (Dam, it must be difficult to hate yourself.)

 

[Zwhaler]

I think we need a 'Bitch Forum' where people can just... bitch.

Wouldn't that be nice

 

[notjustjay]

Yes, I am the minority here, but statiscally there are many more people here who have pirate copies of PS, probably a lot similar to me, I guess they're hiding or staying quiet.

I don't like you stealing software because it takes from my livelihood. But I am also grown-up enough to admit that it was stealing. Did I do it? Yes. Am I proud of it? No. Do I pay for my software now? Yes.

Do I stand on a soap box and try to justify the fact that I stole software by blaming the big corporations and claiming that it's my right to have software for free, and, oh yes, it has to work within the confines of my own particular idiosyncrasies too? No!

And that is the difference between you and I.

 

[aquajet]

Interesting... (Dam, it must be difficult to hate yourself.)

So, are you beginning to realize how faulty your reasoning is, and in a pathetic attempt to continue, you attack others?

Are you going to address my question above?

 

[Blue Velvet]

Why are consumers nowadays so quick to side with businesses?

Because people who need these tools are not merely consumers, they are producers who recognise the crucial role that other businesses and their products play in their own commercial success.

 

[bousozoku]

The money being made from uni students must be minimal to a business like Adobe, the real money's made from businesses. About time Adobe gave something back to the consumers, Maya have managed. (Had PLE edition on old com). Next you're going to be telling me thats wrong for Maya to be doing it.
...

Rationalisation is a powerful tool.

Maya is a software product. Alias (Alias|Wavefront), the makers of Maya, is owned by Autodesk now, isn't it? It probably has something to do with people not buying their software but using it anyway.

Adobe provides consumer-level software for consumer-level prices. They're still a business. There is no reason for them to product professional software at consumer-level prices or ridiculously, for free, unless it's some charity.

$399 for the full Creative Suite is a good price.

 

[Ugg]

That's different, and before you automatically close your mind to what I am about to say, just please try and listen. The point is that in the future I will pay mass amounts of money to these companies. Right now I'm just getting to grips with them, they should be happy that I'm using their product, as its a long term investment. All companies offer incentives- Im getting a free inet upgrade and months free rent at my uni accommodation, a successful attempt to gain my custom. It really would not hurt them to offer free non commercial versions of their products. They should be grateful that I am adopting their software- long term benefits to them, whilst also a great incentive and goodwill gesture for consumers. Why are consumers nowadays so quick to side with businesses?
If people do use these programs for commercial purposes then it is wrong and they should face heavy fines.
Also note, the only programs I haven't bought are PS, Flash, Maya. This did just begin as a rant, just to let of steam, I would never change the situation I'm in (getting a MacBook at this time), and TBH in the near future I will purchase iWorks, however this issue of piracy is more serious to me.

I know of no other field of study where students expect, nay, demand that companies provide them, free of charge, the products they'll need in their future careers.

The whinging that goes on amongst IT students is truly phenomenal.

You knew, when you bought the MB that the software wasn't available, why are you so upset about it?