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"To understand the history of rap, you need to know two things:

1. Rap is talking in rhyme to the rhythm of a beat.

2. Hip-hop is a culture, a way of life for a society of people who identify, love, and cherish rap, break dancing, DJing, and graffiti.



In the early '70s, when I was about 13 or 14 and disco was monopolizing the mainstream airwaves, the rap movement was just being born. A man by the name of Pete DJ Jones was about the most notable DJ during those early days. To me he epitomized the true meaning of a DJ. He had the precise timing necessary to enable the partygoer to dance nonstop while keeping the break of a record playing continuously. He had a clean mixing style and an excellent sound system.

I remember seeing Pete at a club called McCoys on 43rd Street and Third Avenue (midtown Manhattan) in 1972. I was 13 then and got in the club by using a phony ID. What I experienced that night was something that not only changed the course of my life, but also would eventually revolutionize the music industry. Pete was New York's #1 DJ. He had an MC named JT Hollywood (not to be confused with DJ Hollywood, who came on the scene around 1973), who was the first real MC I can remember. (During those early days an MC was the master of ceremonies -- the host of the party, show, or gathering. He told the crowd where they were and the DJ's name. He motivated them to have a good time.) What really knocked me out about JT Hollywood that night was when he said to the people, "If you want to have a good time tonight, somebody say 'Oh Yeah.'" The crowd of 1,000 responded by shouting, "Oh Yeah!"

Pete DJ Jones became my hero, and I followed him everywhere. I studied him, his style, his playlist, his MCs: JT Hollywood, JJ the Disco King, and the great "Love Bug" Starski. I followed him to all of the big midtown black clubs: Nell Gwynn's, Pippins, Nemos, Justine's, Ipanemas. I became a Pete DJ Jones follower and a DJ myself later on that year.

The teenagers of the South Bronx and Harlem didn't have the money to pay for admission to the expensive midtown and downtown clubs, so they had their own parties. Along the way, clubs, house parties, and block parties sprang up all over New York ghettos, giving birth to the neighborhood DJ and MC. Something of a mutation of disco, hip-hop was also a rebellion against disco.

Kool DJ Herc, the godfather of hip-hop, was a Jamaican-born DJ who moved to the Bronx in 1967. With his unique playlist of R&B, soul, funk, and obscure disco, Herc quickly became the catalyst of the hip-hop way of life. The kids from the Bronx and Harlem loved his ghetto style, which gave birth to the concept of the B-Boy. The B-Boy -- or beat boy, break boy, Bronx boy -- loved the breaks of Kool Herc, and as a result soon created break dancing. These were the people of the hip-hop culture. While Pete DJ Jones was #1 for the black disco crowd in NYC, Herc and the B-Boys were the essence of the hip-hop movement, because of they lived the lifestyle. The way they danced, dressed, walked, and talked was unique, as opposed to most of the disco artists and fans of the time, who were not as in touch with the urban streets of America.

The B-Boy crowd was different from the middle class blacks who were represented at Pete DJ Jones' parties. There was no dress code at a B-Boy party; we were younger and wore tennis shoes, jeans, mock necks, Playboys, Kangols, sweatsuits, etc. I remember many weekends going downtown to 43rd Street and Lexington Avenue to Nell Gwynn's on Friday night to check out Pete DJ Jones, and then traveling uptown the following night on the Number 4 train to the Bronx to check out Kool Herc at the Executive Playhouse. I was torn between these two DJs. I've had many debates about Pete DJ Jones' precise timing and Kool Herc's playlist. Songs like:

"Give It Up Or Turnit A Loose (In The Jungle Groove Remix)" by James Brown. This is the national anthem of hip-hop. Every B-Boy, MC, rapper, DJ, rap group, break-dancer, and aerosol artist knew this song, and when it was played at a party or club, everyone knew it was time for the best B-Boys to do battle. Definitely the highlight of the night.

"Get Into Something" by The Isley Brothers. Many people remember The Isley Brothers for their ballads, but this song has a drum break that is incredible. Excellent for the B-Boy break-dancer in you.

"Melting Pot" by Booker T. & The M.G.'s. This song is one of my favorites. The jazz feel epitomizes what hip-hop is all about. You'll love this one.

"Listen To Me" by Baby Huey. A strictly underground song for real B-Boys and Kool DJ Herc fans. Strong intro with strong R&B tracks.

"Scorpio" by Dennis Coffey & The Detroit Guitar Band. This song was a big national hit in 1971. Very funky and with an incredible break as well. Young MC used it in "Bust A Move" as did LL Cool J in "Jingling Baby."

"It's Just Begun" by The Jimmy Castor Bunch. The song's intro is probably its most popular part: "What we're gonna do right here is go back -- way back." Check out the guitar solo and the break.

"Apache" by Michael Viner's Incredible Bongo Band. This is one of the records Kool DJ Herc brought over from Jamaica. A calypso hip-hop feel with incredible percussion breaks. Also check out the guitar line that the Sugarhill Gang pilfered in their version of the same song.

"Hum Along And Dance" by The Jackson 5ive. Only a real B-Boy or a hard-core Jacksons fan would know this song. It may seem unbelievable that Michael Jackson contributed to the creation of hip-hop, but if you don't believe me, check out how funky this song is.

"Love The Life You Live" by Black Heat was another of my B-Boy favorites. This song has the most incredible break for your power moves. Many people know the original by Kool & The Gang, but this version is for the real B-Boy.

"Theme From S.W.A.T." by Rhythm Heritage. Pete DJ Jones loved to cut up the break of this song whereas Kool Herc couldn't quite pull it off. Remember the TV series S.W.A.T.? We're going way back here....

"Dance To The Drummer's Beat" by Herman Kelly & Life actually came out during the end of Kool Herc's reign. Hollywood, Eddie Cheeba, Starski, and Flash made it popular in the late '70s. There is a great percussion break that became very popular, enabling the DJ to show his skills.

"King Tim III (Personality Jock)" by Fatback was the first rap record. King Tim III was a rapper from Harlem who got a break by landing a job with old school dogs of funk Fatback. He would rap during the band's musical breakdowns, entertaining the crowd with call and response. When it comes to giving credit for making the first rap record, people get amnesia. I remember him -- he deserves the credit.



It is mandatory to express the importance of these songs. You have to understand that disco music was the hottest thing out -- it was a craze that infiltrated all of American society. We were the rebels who couldn't relate. We weren't going for it. These songs represent our attitude. They FEATURE strong R&B dance tracks, some with roots in Jamaica and Africa (via Kool DJ Herc). These are 12 of my favorites out of about 100. I love the breaks of these songs -- they enabled the B-Boys to get off their best moves, creating a circle of people around them who would watch amazed as the best would battle in dance. I was one of those B-Boy dancers and one of the best in Harlem. I loved to travel up to the Bronx and battle with the Herculoids (Kool Herc followers): The ***** Twins, Clark Kent, D.ST, DJ Coke La Rock, etc. When I went to Pete's gigs there was rarely any competition, except for when I battled Dancin' Doug from the Polo Grounds for the crown of Harlem. I lost that night at Nell's, so I think I was about the second best B-Boy in Harlem. What a feat -- ugh -- I mean defeat! But as for Kool DJ Herc (my other hero) and the Herculoids, they blasted NYC with a trend that soon became a culture for all the world to embrace. (Did you know I changed my name to Kool DJ Kurt for a while in 1976?) "
 
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"DJ Hollywood was the first rhythmic disco rapper. Unlike Herc he was not confined to the South Bronx. He would DJ downtown, midtown, and throughout the five boroughs of New York City -- although he gained his fame at Club 371 in the Bronx. His flyers read: "Featuring the Golden Voice of DJ Hollywood."

Hollywood was mainstream disco, but he was also the first DJ to interweave that sound with rhythmic rap as we all know it. And unlike the DJs and MCs before him who were basically like radio announcers generating crowd participation, Hollywood put raps together in rhythm with chants -- with eloquent, simple rhymes and a lot of crowd response. "Everybody scream!" was his house-rocker, and "Throw ya hands in the air!" became a chant heard at concerts around the world.

In 1975, '76, and '77 Hollywood became New York's #1 DJ and, space permitting, could draw up to 2,000 people on any given night. During that time Club 371 became the #1 club in the city. I remember going there back in 1977. The lines wrapped around the block. It was impossible to get in if you didn't have the juice. Luckily I knew Reggie Wells, the club's musical director, who went to CCNY with Russell Simmons and I.

As with Pete DJ Jones and Kool DJ Herc, not only did Herc and Hollywood dislike one another, but neither recognized nor respected the other's contributions. For the most part, even their fans were different. The B-Boys were from the ghetto, while disco was for the middle class and the rich. But there was hip-hop in both worlds. It was the hip-hop tug-o'-war -- disco rappers versus the B-Boys.

DJ Hollywood became another hero of mine because of his great voice. The man had style and class. DJ Junebug, the DJ behind Hollywood, was just as exceptional as Pete DJ Jones and Grand Master Flash. Tragically, he was murdered in the early '80s. God bless you, DJ Junebug.

Grand Master Flash (Joseph Saddler) earned his name with his speed on the turntables. He rose to legendary status in the world of hip-hop right as Kool Herc's reign was ending. A B-Boy to the extreme, Flash's DJ style took Herc's playlist to the next level. He was the first (even though some say it was the Grand Wizard Theodore) to utilize "scratching" and "cutting" -- taking two records and keeping the break repeating continuously -- thus rearranging the song and creating an extended instrumental groove over which the MC or rapper could entertain the crowd with raps. Flash studied the techniques of Kool DJ Herc, Grandmaster Flowers, Maboya, Plummer, and Pete DJ Jones. But it was Flash's desire to emulate Pete's style while playing the "antidisco" music favored by Herc that led to his turntable experimentations -- and took hip-hop to the next level.

In 1974 Flash began playing parties in the neighborhood and gained quite a reputation for rocking the house. Two years later he teamed up with rapper Keith Wiggins, who soon became known as Cowboy, and the pair rocked parties throughout the South Bronx. (Note: Flash, a B-Boy, did not play the same circuit as Hollywood, a disco rapper, but they were both hot at the same time.)

In 1976 Flash and Cowboy were joined by Melle Mel (Melvin Glover), Kidd Creole (Nathaniel Glover), Mr. Ness -- aka Scorpio (Eddie Morris) -- and later Rahiem (Guy Williams). Who knew then that they would become the premier rap group of the early '80s? Grand Master Flash & The Furious 5 went on to gain immense recognition in the recording industry with several hit records.

I didn't get a chance to experience Flash until late '77, because I was a DJ and an MC myself, doing disco shows in and around New York. When I did see him perform at the Hotel Diplomat, there was a spotlight on his hands. He had rings on every finger, and the reflection of the spotlight on his rings made it seem as if his hands were sparkling as he cut up the beats. He was a most incredible DJ; he inspired me to get back to the B-Boy school of hip-hop. So it was a dream come true when I finally got the chance to work with Flash & The Furious 5 in 1978. We were called Grand Master Flash & The Furious 7 (Kool Kyle was the seventh MC).

Afrika Bambaataa is a bona fide hip-hop legend. He is affectionately known as the grandfather of hip-hop, having been a part of the movement since 1972. The former gang leader of the Black Spades, Bambaataa is the founder of the Zulu Nation, an organization dedicated to peace, love, and unity. The Zulu Nation is said to have worldwide membership of more than 400,000, including some of rap music's brightest stars. Celebrated master of the beats, Bambaataa is known to have more than 25 crates of records! His 1982 hit, "Planet Rock," is still a highly sampled reference standard.

I have talked about Flash and Bambaataa in Volume 1 because they were influential during these early days. Since their records actually came out later, I will mention them in the next volume as well. Also, Run DMC and I will be mentioned in Volumes 2 and 3 although we were significant back in these early days as well. "
 
Originally posted by mactastic
Stereotype Alert! Stereotype Alert! All rap promotes violence? Really?

And how is this different than Skrewdriver?

I love rap. Rock for me has gotten way to whiney like blink-182 style. None of the rap I listen to premotes violence. It's just the **** that they play on the radio.

Just to be fair though, I am sure that there is some artist somewhere that doesn't produce violent rap, but that would be called poetry, not rap.

Look at:
Spearhead
Guru
Blacalicious
Mr. Lif
outkast
camp lo
Nas

There are tones of others I could name. All of thoes artist have disses against people like Dr. Dre/enminem whatever his name is becasue they do premote violence and are just producing rap for money.
Not beats and lyrics which are the soul of rap.

But many artists like wu-tang clan are based on kung-fu cuture and have harsh lyrics. I don't have a problem with that.
 
Originally posted by mactastic
Seems like enough to ban country music by Dippo's theory.

That I wouldn't mind either because I can't stand country music.

Music can have a very bad influence on people especially kids. This should be enough for us not to support music that corrupts kids but we would rather lie to ourselves and say that it isn't bad. All the while, the world crumbles around us.
 
Originally posted by Dippo
That I wouldn't mind either because I can't stand country music.

Music can have a very bad influence on people especially kids. This should be enough for us not to support music that corrupts kids but we would rather lie to ourselves and say that it isn't bad. All the while, the world crumbles around us.
What kind (if any) of music do you like?
 
Originally posted by Dippo
Good music.
At the moment I am listening to some Coldplay.

He said I'm gonna buy this place and burn it down / I'm gonna put it six feet underground / He said "I'm gonna buy this place and watch it fall / Stand here beside me baby in the crumbling walls

Oh I'm gonna buy this place and start a fire / Stand here until I fill all your heart's desires / Because I'm gonna buy this place and see it burn / Do back the things it did to you in return

He said I'm gonna buy a gun and start a war / If you can tell me something worth fighting for / Oh and I'm gonna buy this place that's what I said / Blame it upon a rush of blood to the head

- Coldplay, A Rush of Blood to the Head

And that's just from memory!

Davis
 
Originally posted by Dippo
Good music.
At the moment I am listening to some Coldplay.

How friggin original. But not surprising that your choice in music is just as narrow as your views.

I realize that is a fairly direct insult and a potentially bannable offense, but it's hard to hold back when you encounter such utterly unsupported, ignorant spouting of opinion. And here you have multiple people giving you multiple examples of why your brilliant "theory" is bogus, and it's all just hitting a brick wall. My advice to anyone else who encounters this thread is to save your breath. Some people just will never get it!

By the way, my initial comment may have seemed to criticize Coldplay. In fact I don't really have anything against the band, but it was such a typical response that I had to laugh... I mean, it is one of the more mainstream bands these days and he seems to proudly boast that he is listening to it like that excuses all the other stereotypical B.S. (i.e., "You can't say I'm closed-minded, I'm listening to COLDPLAY!")

Kudos to everyone else's comments putting this guy in his place. Glad to know that this sort of thinking is in the minority among most intelligent people.
 
Originally posted by Nanda Devi
How friggin original. But not surprising that your choice in music is just as narrow as your views.

I realize that is a fairly direct insult and a potentially bannable offense, but it's hard to hold back when you encounter such utterly unsupported, ignorant spouting of opinion. And here you have multiple people giving you multiple examples of why your brilliant "theory" is bogus, and it's all just hitting a brick wall. My advice to anyone else who encounters this thread is to save your breath. Some people just will never get it!

By the way, my initial comment may have seemed to criticize Coldplay. In fact I don't really have anything against the band, but it was such a typical response that I had to laugh... I mean, it is one of the more mainstream bands these days and he seems to proudly boast that he is listening to it like that excuses all the other stereotypical B.S. (i.e., "You can't say I'm closed-minded, I'm listening to COLDPLAY!")

Kudos to everyone else's comments putting this guy in his place. Glad to know that this sort of thinking is in the minority among most intelligent people.

You might want to read this before you end up getting yourself banned.

You did seem to provide a lot of insults but no justication for your opinion. Actually you didn't even provide an opinion, just insults.

Everyone else was giving their opinions in a civilized way no matter how much they disagreed with my views, I would suggest you do the same.

Thanks
 
Originally posted by Nanda Devi
By the way, my initial comment may have seemed to criticize Coldplay. In fact I don't really have anything against the band, but it was such a typical response that I had to laugh... I mean, it is one of the more mainstream bands these days and he seems to proudly boast that he is listening to it like that excuses all the other stereotypical B.S. (i.e., "You can't say I'm closed-minded, I'm listening to COLDPLAY!")

To be fair, I don't think he meant it this way at all, and I don't think making him mad is any way to prove the point at hand here.

The world of hip hop, as recently blessed by His Holiness the Pope, is a wonderful, positive force in the lives of many people and is keeping more kids out of trouble than it is encouraging kids to slap-up their premarital baby's-mamas. There is a host of positive rap out there that promotes nothing but peace, cooperation, and understanding:

Rakim, Mos Def, Talib Kweli, Blackalicious, A Tribe Called Quest, De Le Soul, Aesop Rock, El-P, Mr. Lif, Jungle Brothers, Queen Latifa, Positive K, Outkast, Jurassic 5, Arrested Development, Beastie Boys, Diggable Planets, Gang Starr, the Pharcyde, KRS-One and Boogie Down Productions, Black Eyed Peas, the Fugess, Latyrx, the Roots, Atmosphere, Binary Star, the Cali Agents, J-Live, Madlib, Ugly Duckling, Kool Keith, on and on and on and on.....

I highly suggest anyone only familiar with the culture through its generic representation on MTV spend a little time giving a chance to a form of music that is positively lighting up the lives of kids and adults everywhere.

Davis
 
Originally posted by DavisBAnimal
The world of hip hop, as recently blessed by His Holiness the Pope, is a wonderful, positive force in the lives of many people and is keeping more kids out of trouble than it is encouraging kids to slap-up their premarital baby's-mamas. There is a host of positive rap out there that promotes nothing but peace, cooperation, and understanding:

I highly suggest anyone only familiar with the culture through its generic representation on MTV spend a little time giving a chance to a form of music that is positively lighting up the lives of kids and adults everywhere.

Davis

Point taken.

I'll concede that maybe there is some rap music that isn't just about violence, but if you watched just MTV/VH1/BET, you would have a different view.

I'll be sure to check out some of the other groups and see what they have to offer. :)

Back to the main topic of the post:

Terrorist groups just like all other groups that are trying to attract young people. They use methods that are popular with the youngsters, and in this case they chose rap. (it is actually just a sign of rap's popularity) We shouldn't be surprised. If opera or classical was popular, they would have used that.

Edit: Spelling, stupid Microsoft Word
 
Originally posted by Dippo
Point taken.

I'll concede that maybe there is some rap music that isn't just about violence, but if you watched just MTV/VH1/BET, you would have a different view.

I'll be sure to check out some of the other groups and see what they have to offer. :)

Back to the main topic of the post:

Terrorist groups just like all other groups that are trying to attract young people. They use methods that are popular with the youngsters, and in this case they chose rap. (it is actually just a sign of rap's popularity) We shouldn't be surprised. If opera or classical was popular, they would have used that.

Edit: Spelling, stupid Microsoft Word

There ya go! That's all I wanted to see. Be careful with absolute statements, they are seldom correct and not only do you leave yourself open to critique, you invite people to stop thinking about your argument and try to find the one thing that will disprove you. Just some advice from a former professor of mine.
 
Originally posted by Dippo
You could surely make some music and call it rap music and then say that all rap music isn't violent, but you could also paint grass blue and say that all grass isn't green.

Rap music was created as a expression of violence and any music that deviates from this isn't true rap music.

WHAT!? The Sugarhill Gang promoted violence!?!? HAHAHA Yea, Kurtis Blow was a gun toting thug!?? HAHA, man your ignorance is spewing onto the floor getting my shoes wet.
 
Originally posted by Nanda Devi
How friggin original. But not surprising that your choice in music is just as narrow as your views.

Kudos to everyone else's comments putting this guy in his place. Glad to know that this sort of thinking is in the minority among most intelligent people.

First and last paragraph quote, I think you just blew yourself out of the water.

Fishing with dynamite is dangerous.

amusing but dangerous.:)
 
Originally posted by coopdog
I love rap. Rock for me has gotten way to whiney like blink-182 style. None of the rap I listen to premotes violence. It's just the **** that they play on the radio.



Look at:
Spearhead
Guru
Blacalicious
Mr. Lif
outkast
camp lo
Nas

If ever defending rap and needing good bands that are positive, simply mention Black Eyed Peas and Roots.

Funny because a lot of you here should know Black Eyed Peas from their song being used in the iPod commercial.
 
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and I just remembered, don't you have to be a drug addict and have a criminal record to really appreciate the subtle qualities found in "boifide hard core you know the score coming right back at ya" rap music? I was reading somewhere that if you have a really indepth knowledge of this style of entertainment you were eight thousand times more likely to be unhappily married in a same sex marriage. But of course your home and contents insurance would be significantly cheaper than those who choose to listen to music as a form of entertainment.

I could arrange for someone to call and perhaps even give you a quote for a whole years cover.

P.M. me if you would like to take this offer further.:)

I think that in a fair and equal world we would all play happily together, albeit with a dull sheen of boredom across our faces.

Not wanting to generalise but I think I'm fairly safe to suggest we all have faces, or at least space to put one should he require or indeed afford the luxury of one in future.

Does the world seem mad enough now?
 
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