'Raymond and Ray' Starring Ewan McGregor and Ethan Hawke Coming to Apple TV+

[erinsarah]

Being negative for the sake of being negative is really a thing these days right. I mean, you could just say nothing if it's not your cup of tea, but these days one has to express their negativity no matter what it seems.

Completely agreed. Personally I think those who are basing ATV+ as having nothing of value haven't even tried. Aside from Ted Lasso (which it seems most of the negative Nellies bash because it's a feel-good type of show, and who needs THAT in this day and age?), I found Mythic Quest and Morning Show both really excellent.

 

[mw360]

Oh Alfonso Cuaron, disgraced director. (look up "Autism Speaks" an organization he strongly supports (or supported? I would hope..) and their disgusting trailer/commercial which pretty much portrays autistic people as subhuman or abominations... yikes.)

Is there anyone who doesn’t have a little Cancel Club chasing them everywhere they go with hot takes and half-truths?

 

[JEY]

they continue to just sling crap at a wall and hope that it sticks. I have had AppleTV for free for a year and nothing they have produced looked good enough for me to watch once. They should just concentrate on Mac innovation and quit being creepy. I don't want entertainment provided by the maker of my computer's operating system, apple nor microsoft.

My 3 year old constantly claims food is gross that she's never tried, too.

 

[4743913]

Doubt they care as long as they still get 30% of the revenue. Until then apple will feature and try to sell you disney+ all day long. This is why they’re laughing all the way to the bank and couldn’t care less about what you said.

I realize for the ovis aries this is a foreign concept but I pay my Disney+ sub directly to Disney. Apple is not involved.

 

[4743913]

Mandalorian is a great show but that's one show and once its season ends, I completely forget about Disney

Ok so you will miss Obi-Wan, Book of Boba and the Ahsoka series. Your loss. Enjoy your Apple emptiness.

 

[4743913]

My 3 year old constantly claims food is gross that she's never tried, too.

which foods? she may be right.

and if apple is unable to create a trailer that makes me want to watch their "show", the fault lies with them.

 

[4743913]

Well you did say "originals" which is easily Disney's weakest contribution.

wut? you can discount the lucasfilm, marvel, and fox if you want and I will still stack the Disney original movies against anything apple will ever deliver. however I am sure that when apple starts sending iPhones to voters they may win some awards..

 

[Regbial]

Is there anyone who doesn’t have a little Cancel Club chasing them everywhere they go with hot takes and half-truths?

"Cancel culture" can get out of hand maybe...yes.. but belittling and mocking the exposing of people's truths and actions in the world is not good in my opinion. People need to be accountable for their actions, how else will they learn? How else will humanity approach (as much as possible, since I think it's probably impossible) true justice in this world...?

Also the hot takes and half-truths you speak of. Are you talking about me? I want people to be aware of dear little Alfonso's bad attitudes and choices. Maybe think twice about supporting him or his creations, because of who he supports. Is that so bad?

I mean, maybe I just want to make cancel culture more fair ok? I only remembered when I searched the video Sia got massive backlash last year for her movie about autism, partly for having Autism Speaks as part of the production. I for one believe Sia should probably get "less canceled" for what she did, I see it as a very naive and misguided attempt to make a movie based on autism... Instead, I feel Alfonso should be more in the limelight in that respect. But ofc, he's a famous "established" artsy director who has won Oscars so... loaded Apple contracts for him instead amirite? 🙃

 

[Regbial]

Is there anyone who doesn’t have a little Cancel Club chasing them everywhere they go with hot takes and half-truths?

And just for the record: when people try to hide something, like that awful commercial I shared... It's usually for a good reason.... (psst: they have something to hide)

Sidenote: Granted, I don't know if Alfonso has denounced Autism Speaks by now... but I doubt it. I think he was heavily invested iirc... 🤔 But if he has, then that's great. Totally "uncancelled". Having a child with autism himself... sigh... Well I think he should have more leeway with such a mistake, since it would be more personal to him.

But Autism Speaks is a bad organization, and not just for that commercial. That just kind of exposed them. There's video essays on it on youtube should you want to learn more about the topic.

 

[Regbial]

I think they were trying to do the right thing but it's far too long to serve as a PSA or educational commercial about autism. The first half seems to rely too heavily on scare tactics and hopelessness but once you get past that, the 2nd half makes a lot more sense because it really begins to target autism itself as something completely different from the people with autism. That is an important distinction that is usually lost but it takes too long to get there. I assume there's a much shorter version in circulation that would be more effective than this.

And apparently, learned this shortly after making this post, many of the families who offered their footage for the commercial, those you see lovingly hugging their autistic children/siblings, didn't know they would use the footage this way. When they saw it it greatly saddened and angered some of them. 😔 It is such a bizzare "commerical", it's fascinating.. I can't tell if it's just tone-deaf or a kind of elaborate troll... or what?

"the 2nd half makes a lot more sense because it really begins to target autism itself as something completely different from the people with autism. That is an important distinction that is usually lost but it takes too long to get there"

is it though? Should we as people, parents, etc, be "seperating" the autism from the people with autism themselves? I imagine it makes it easier for some parents, and if that coping strategy works for them, then good for them I guess.. but is it right? or should we see the people with autism as wholes with this neural divergence? Should we as people generally just try to look at it a little more normally? less as something to "look down upon" so to speak? 🤔 I wonder what the right answer ultimately is... For me, I guess I just don't want people to suffer and feel discriminated against, autistic or otherwise. And people in general should turn down the propensity to discriminate, be it for mental differences, races, sexualities, gender, etc. a few notches.

 

[mw360]

And just for the record: when people try to hide something, like that awful commercial I shared... It's usually for a good reason.... (psst: they have something to hide)

Sidenote: Granted, I don't know if Alfonso has denounced Autism Speaks by now... but I doubt it. I think he was heavily invested iirc... 🤔 But if he has, then that's great. Totally "uncancelled". Having a child with autism himself... sigh... Well I think he should have more leeway with such a mistake, since it would be more personal to him.

But Autism Speaks is a bad organization, and not just for that commercial. That just kind of exposed them. There's video essays on it on youtube should you want to learn more about the topic.

The video was over a decade ago. It took heat at the time, and he hasn’t made another one like it. So, what’s the point of pursuing the guy through the decades? What’s this ‘justice’ you want, if not a mob cancellation? What is the appropriate sentence for making a video some people didn’t like? Never work again?

And yes I’m taking about your half truths and I was being generous. I watched the video to the end. It was made for an event, where a captive audience would have to watch it to the end, and therefore see the whole thing in context. The opening is pretty shocking, but that was the point. I don’t think it stuck the landing very well, and overall seems ill-judged, but it’s message is clearly not the one you tried to paint it as.

As for them trying to make the video ‘disappear’, sure throw in some conspiracy theory, but even if it’s true, why isn’t that a positive thing? If the video was a mistake, then do good and withdraw it. Again you seem more obsessed with retribution and fomenting outrage than anything else. That’s classic cancel culture in action.

 

[sirexilor]

Well this is funny. I'm watching Fargo Season 3, where Ewan McGregor plays two different characters, who are brothers to each other. Names are Ray Stussy and Emmit Stussy.

First I kinda thought this might be prequel what happens in the Fargo Season 3, but apparently not..

Fargo Season 3 wikipedia

 

[JEY]

which foods? she may be right.

and if apple is unable to create a trailer that makes me want to watch their "show", the fault lies with them.

Have you read Green Eggs and Ham? That's often how it plays out. Great book once a child's maturity level is sufficient to digest the meaning.

 

[svish]

Might be ok. I liked Ewan’s performance in Christopher Robin

 

[torontotim]

Ethan deserves much better than Ewan as a co-star but it should be interesting nonetheless.

 

[wigby]

Ok so you will miss Obi-Wan, Book of Boba and the Ahsoka series. Your loss. Enjoy your Apple emptiness.

No I won't. I'll check out Obi-Wan (don't know about others) when it's available. That's the great thing about streaming services. I stay subscribed to the ones I like and cancel the ones I don't. No need to take sides or show loyalty to a company.

 

[4743913]

No I won't. I'll check out Obi-Wan (don't know about others) when it's available. That's the great thing about streaming services. I stay subscribed to the ones I like and cancel the ones I don't. No need to take sides or show loyalty to a company.

Im a little different. I prefer the crappy streamers die off so the content is not watered down between multiple sites.

 

[wigby]

Im a little different. I prefer the crappy streamers die off so the content is not watered down between multiple sites.

No one wants crappy streamers but we do want competition so we'll always have multiple streaming services shuffling exclusive content back and forth to each other so get used to it.

 

[SurferPup]

Two really good actors.

 

[Regbial]

The video was over a decade ago. It took heat at the time, and he hasn’t made another one like it. So, what’s the point of pursuing the guy through the decades? What’s this ‘justice’ you want, if not a mob cancellation? What is the appropriate sentence for making a video some people didn’t like? Never work again?

And yes I’m taking about your half truths and I was being generous. I watched the video to the end. It was made for an event, where a captive audience would have to watch it to the end, and therefore see the whole thing in context. The opening is pretty shocking, but that was the point. I don’t think it stuck the landing very well, and overall seems ill-judged, but it’s message is clearly not the one you tried to paint it as.

As for them trying to make the video ‘disappear’, sure throw in some conspiracy theory, but even if it’s true, why isn’t that a positive thing? If the video was a mistake, then do good and withdraw it. Again you seem more obsessed with retribution and fomenting outrage than anything else. That’s classic cancel culture in action.

Right... it was only later I discovered Alfonso himself directed that awful video 😬 and he also spoke of his son's autism as something he could "get over" and it being a "worldwide epidemic"... I haven't come across anything of him retracting those statements or changing his way of thought.

And other organizations have labeled Autism Speaks as a hate group...

Yes yes, art separate from the artist... And I'm a fan of some of this movies, such as A Little Princess.. but still... I thought it better people here know what's going on with Alfonso before supporting his creations... In this capitalist world, that's how it works, right? Money is seemingly all that matters... so... Don't give him money or at least take his thoughts into consideration before excessively praising his work.

Alfonso Cuarón, autism, and ableism: a love story | Qrewcial

A little-known short directed by Cuarón may—and should—come back to haunt him, if only to rid a terrible stigma.

qrewcial.com

 

[Allyance]

I think Ewan McGregor did a fantastic job in Moulin Rouge, hell of a good singer. Also a brave motorcyclist, watch 'Long Way Around', 'Long Way Down' and 'Long Way Up'. In the last movie, they rode electric Harleys from the tip of South America to LA. Their support vehicle was a Rivian electric pickup. All prototypes, but they made the journey, no easy task.