Real MBP Review

[Harmonious Zen]

Why do you feel the need to justify your purchase? Spend more time enjoying your laptop than attacking others who may feel the new mac's are not suited for them.

I bought a new Mac with the touch bar. I like it although it does have its flaws. Would I recommend it to my friends? Not really. It doesn't really do anything spectacular that makes it worth the price.

Things like no more apple logo, no more magsafe, and no more ports without an adapter are actually pretty frustrating.

It really makes me wonder what I'm going to do once my current Macbook gets long in the tooth. Hopefully by then these compromises won't be compromises anymore.

 

[CaptRB]

Yes, but you could have upgraded to 2015, saved a whole lot of cash and been just as good. Also it is highly debatable whether the latest model is better than the 2015 on most points.

This is a point blank lie.

I have a late model MacBook Pro 15.

My new 13" is superior. The screen is better. The keyboard is better. The touch bar adds a lot. The speakers are better. There are no slow high end notebooks. For most people they offer plenty of power. This renders plenty fast, just like my 15" from last year. But this offers the superior interface, is smaller and nicer to use for the above reasons.

I handle two jewelry accounts for my photography, so I'm a target for a machine like this. I own lenses that cost twice what this computer costs. So I'm the "pro" in the MacBook Pro. If this didn't offer something over my older MacBook, I wouldn't keep it. I don't buy stuff that's useless or bested. I don't run an buy Smart watches and I sure don't use an iPhone anymore (because my Note 5 is simply better for my needs).

At 1799.00 the new MBP is priced 200 dollars more than a loaded but still inferior MacBook and only 250 dollars more than the loaded and still inferior MacBook Air.

For that small extra sum you get a LOT more. The problem is that cheap people are comparing the TMBP to BASE inferior model pricing rather than bringing them closer to comparable specs.



Robert

 

[mahcus36]

Why do you feel the need to justify your purchase? Spend more time enjoying your laptop than attacking others who may feel the new mac's are not suited for them.

I bought a new Mac with the touch bar. I like it although it does have its flaws. Would I recommend it to my friends? Not really. It doesn't really do anything spectacular that makes it worth the price.

Things like no more apple logo, no more magsafe, and no more ports without an adapter are actually pretty frustrating.

i bet that would cause worse battery life, so be happy you dont have it lol

 

[raqball]

If I were Apple here is what I would have done:

1. Kill the Air off
2. The 12" MacBook replaces the 11" Air and comes in at a lower base price of maybe $999 for the m3
3. The current nTB MacBook Pro should be a 13" MacBook (non Pro) and replaces the 13" Air. It should be priced at $1,299
4. The TB MacBook Pro is the Pro and starts as a base at $1,499

That line up and at those prices would make more sense to me..

 

[motime]

This is a point blank lie.

I have a late model MacBook Pro 15.

My new 13" is superior. The screen is better. The keyboard is better. The touch bar adds a lot. The speakers are better. There are no slow high end notebooks. For most people they offer plenty of power. This renders plenty fast, just like my 15" from last year. But this offers the superior interface, is smaller and nicer to use for the above reasons.

I handle two jewelry accounts for my photography, so I'm a target for a machine like this. I own lenses that cost twice what this computer costs. So I'm the "pro" in the MacBook Pro. If this didn't offer something over my older MacBook, I wouldn't keep it. I don't buy stuff that's useless or bested. I don't run an buy Smart watches and I sure don't use an iPhone anymore (because my Note 5 is simply better for my needs).

At 1799.00 the new MBP is priced 200 dollars more than a loaded but still inferior MacBook and only 250 dollars more than the loaded and still inferior MacBook Air.

For that small extra sum you get a LOT more. The problem is that cheap people are comparing the TMBP to BASE inferior model pricing rather than bringing them closer to comparable specs.

Robert

You have issues dude, stop running around calling people liars. I said it was highly debatable, which means there is not a consensus on these points and it is a matter of opinion.

- Yes the screen is better and the speakers are great but these are not highly tempting upgrades for most people as the screen on last years models are still excellent.

- Keyboard is not better for everyone.
- Touch bar isn't useful for everyone, more than just being a gimmick for some, it has it's drawbacks and they are documented all over this forum.
- Battery life in a lot of instances is reported to be worse than last year
- the integrated GPU which is used most of the time is weaker
- As far as price goes there are insanely high premiums on the 15 inch model which most professionals tend to be interested in. The non touch bar 13 inch model is the only model priced decently.
-It is highly debatable if you get "a LOT more" since you also have to factor into the price the lack of ports, lack of mag safe, obnoxiously loud keyboard and all of what I mentioned above.
- last years models can be had at the refurbished store as good as new for a lot cheaper and off ebay.

Have fun with your mbp but learn to distinguish between opinions and facts.

 

[thesaint024]

Apple sells these at this price because they are the only MacOS game in town. If other companies were allowed to sell PC with MacOS, Apple would be in serious trouble and most of these machines, at this price, would be sitting in a warehouse collecting dust...

Putting people down who are not overzealous fanboys is getting just as bad as what the OP complains about.. It goes both ways and Apple brought this upon themselves..

It's a fine computer but if you don't think you overpaid for it then you are only kidding yourself..

I think your assessment of $400 overpaid is incorrect. You place value in their OS, which is part of the selling point of these MBP's. The hardware/software integration is what is probably the most valuable piece in all of this. I'm sure you've experienced the alternative in Windows. We cannot pick and choose what Apple can/should charge us for. It's a whole package, and it's hardly a monopoly, regardless of your investment to date. They put significant time into developing the OS as well. So you purchased it with the OS integration, which you don't feel you should pay for, and you are unhappy about it.

How are you defining fanboys? I haven't bought a MBP in 7 years. Am I suddenly a fanboy because I bought the '16 MBP and like it?

I don't think I got a "bargain". Nobody here thinks Macs are cheap. I see value in what I exchanged money for. Again, not sure how you are defining "overpaid". You cannot select what you should and shouldn't pay for in development of the product. Either the whole package is worth it or it's not. If not, no hate for leaving Apple this go around. Prices will go down next year. Between us, it looks like I'm seeing this purchase clearly for what it is. You are "kidding yourself" if you feel you were coerced to buy the new MBP and will be bitter about it going forward.

That Amazon comment is unfair and one-sided too. It's ok to shop at Apple but not Amazon? Apple has also been scrutinized for their less than rosey work environment, and their stores are just extensions of corporate. No mom and pop's are benefitting. You cannot pick and choose when your noble ethics apply.

 

[raqball]

You have issues dude, stop running around calling people liars. I said it was highly debatable, which means there is not a consensus on these points and it is a matter of opinion.

- Yes the screen is better and the speakers are great but these are not highly tempting upgrades for most people as the screen on last years models are still excellent.

- Keyboard is not better for everyone.
- Touch bar isn't useful for everyone, more than just being a gimmick for some, it has it's drawbacks and they are documented all over this forum.
- Battery life in a lot of instances is reported to be worse than last year
- the integrated GPU which is used most of the time is weaker
- As far as price goes there are insanely high premiums on the 15 inch model which most professionals tend to be interested in. The non touch bar 13 inch model is the only model priced decently.
-It is highly debatable if you get "a LOT more" since you also have to factor into the price the lack of ports, lack of mag safe, obnoxiously loud keyboard and all of what I mentioned above.
- last years models can be had at the refurbished store as good as new for a lot cheaper and off ebay.

Have fun with your mbp but learn to distinguish between opinions and facts.

Yup...

2016 upgrade features (to me and for me -- don't apply to all)

- Screen is better
- I like the new KB
- I like the new tackpad size
- Faster SSD
- I like the new build and design
- Better sound

2016 downgrade or worse features:

- Battery life
- Ports, ports, ports oh my
- Magsafe bye-bye
- Bye-bye SD card slot
- Pricing

I can less less features or items:

- Glowing Apple logo
- TB (at the moment is pretty useless - maybe in time this will change)
- USB C

 

[idark77]

You have issues dude, stop running around calling people liars. I said it was highly debatable, which means there is not a consensus on these points and it is a matter of opinion.

- Yes the screen is better and the speakers are great but these are not highly tempting upgrades for most people as the screen on last years models are still excellent.

- Keyboard is not better for everyone.
- Touch bar isn't useful for everyone, more than just being a gimmick for some, it has it's drawbacks and they are documented all over this forum.
- Battery life in a lot of instances is reported to be worse than last year
- the integrated GPU which is used most of the time is weaker
- As far as price goes there are insanely high premiums on the 15 inch model which most professionals tend to be interested in. The non touch bar 13 inch model is the only model priced decently.
-It is highly debatable if you get "a LOT more" since you also have to factor into the price the lack of ports, lack of mag safe, obnoxiously loud keyboard and all of what I mentioned above.
- last years models can be had at the refurbished store as good as new for a lot cheaper and off ebay.

Have fun with your mbp but learn to distinguish between opinions and facts.

Oh man please insert in the list the Apple lighted Logo in the Lid, for me without it the MBP is not the same anymore...

 

[thesaint024]

You have issues dude, stop running around calling people liars. I said it was highly debatable, which means there is not a consensus on these points and it is a matter of opinion.

- Yes the screen is better and the speakers are great but these are not highly tempting upgrades for most people as the screen on last years models are still excellent.

- Keyboard is not better for everyone.
- Touch bar isn't useful for everyone, more than just being a gimmick for some, it has it's drawbacks and they are documented all over this forum.
- Battery life in a lot of instances is reported to be worse than last year
- the integrated GPU which is used most of the time is weaker
- As far as price goes there are insanely high premiums on the 15 inch model which most professionals tend to be interested in. The non touch bar 13 inch model is the only model priced decently.
-It is highly debatable if you get "a LOT more" since you also have to factor into the price the lack of ports, lack of mag safe, obnoxiously loud keyboard and all of what I mentioned above.
- last years models can be had at the refurbished store as good as new for a lot cheaper and off ebay.

Have fun with your mbp but learn to distinguish between opinions and facts.

The point is that most people claiming that the MBP sucks don't have one. We can state with absolute certainty that these things are better for us. Those that don't have one cannot. You might feel strongly that these things probably suck, but we know for a fact that they don't.

The con argument to MBP's is getting weaker as more people use these. Magsafe? Apple logo? Battery life that could be an hour less than 2015? Price is too high - this is very subjective depending on how you value the pros. The only people bitching about ports are the ones that don't have a MBP and haven't seen firsthand that it really is not a big deal. There is less and less rational debate that the 2016 is superior to the 2015. It may not be in every individual case, but this is not debatable as a whole. Whether the price justifies whatever improvements there are is debatable and personal.

 

[raqball]

The point is that most people claiming that the MBP sucks don't have one. We can state with absolute certainty that these things are better for us. Those that don't have one cannot. You might feel strongly that these things probably suck, but we know for a fact that they don't.

The con argument to MBP's is getting weaker as more people use these. Magsafe? Apple logo? Battery life that could be an hour less than 2015? Price is too high - this is very subjective depending on how you value the pros. The only people bitching about ports are the ones that don't have a MBP and haven't seen firsthand that it really is not a big deal. There is less and less rational debate that the 2016 is superior to the 2015. It may not be in every individual case, but this is not debatable as a whole. Whether the price justifies whatever improvements there are is debatable and personal.

Well.... I have 2 devices that are UBC C

1. GoPro Hero Session 5
2. Lacie USB C 4TB mobile drive

Everything else I use at the moment requires a dongle.. I am not interested in getting into the whole dongle argument because I am fine with it for the most part..

Look.. If Apple wanted to move to USB C then I think they should have done to slowly.. This year add 2 USB C, one USB A and an SD Card slot. Next year, as more and more devices convert then adjust the type and number of ports accordingly..

I have not said the MacBook Pro sucks and I've said numerous times it's a fine computer. The fanboys here just breeze right on past those comments and attack anyone for saying it's not all gravy..

 

[macmee]

Holy cow, there's a ton of trolling and clickbait from haters and folks who can't afford these new computers! The alarmist trolling is a new hobby that's gone supernova to be sure.

I can afford a new computer. I have a riMac, and rMBP that are both 2 years old - both maxed out. Perhaps you would be shocked to learn that more than just "poor people and trolls" (as you so gracefully put it) are uninterested in coughing up $5,000 for a buggy laptop with no battery life.

I wont continue to give you my review of this year's macbook because this guys opinion is identical to mine, point for point:

 

[c0ppo]

So the trolling continues by people who don't own the computer, can't afford it or don't want to afford it and so on. Short memories plague every release. And EVERY release sees the same nonsense.

So if I don't share your opinion, I am a troll? How old are you?

Fanboy? Me? Nope. The minute Apple can't build me the best tool for my needs, I'll look elsewhere in a heartbeat. That's why I use a Samsung phone ever since Apple started to chase the market with their iPhones. I have no brand loyalty.

Actually, you do sound like a fanboy. Not because you like the machine or the TB. That's ok in my book, everyone has their preferences. But when you attack someone that doesn't like it like you do, and then you insult that person only coz they don't like the machine like you do, then you most certinaly are a fanboy.

If these machines don't do the job, I'll move on. But after using them I can see that they're a major upgrade.

Almost every machine on the market can do any job you want from it. Especially high end ones.

As for the keyboard, some guy says his fingers are HURT from the keyboard. As for keyboards, 99% of users will love this one once they get used to it. People complained about the Apple keyboards 5 and 10 years ago.

I actually like the keyboard. Owned rMB12, and I do love butterfly mechanism. But if someone doesn't love it, that's ok to.

This is how it works: When a premium expensive product comes out there is ALWAYS a vocal group pf haters. Some have valid points, but MOST have no direct experience. This is the web mentality, people who think Hillary murdered 40 people and sent e-mails to Hitlers brother's 3rd cousin. This is repeated each time.

But the reality, based on actual experience with these computers and ownership, is that it's just another notebook. It will work for most people and miss the mark for a smaller group. That smaller group will have exacting needs that are far from common, though they're perfectly valid.

Other than that...

Fast computer? CHECK
Better screen? CHECK
Better keyboard? CHECK
Better speakers? CHECK
Touch-Bar? CHECK
Great Build quality? CHECK
Fingerprint ID? CHECK
Great Battery life? CHECK



Robert

No direct experience? Web mentality? Smaller group? Can't afford it? Hillary?

And you say that you are not a fanboy?

Enjoy your computer. I'm glad you love it so much. I hate it actually. And yes, I can afford it. And yes, I have owned it. And returned it back coz I simply can't stand TB, since I consider it a 'gimmick for regular joe consumers', not for the people that get actual job done. And the battery is pretty bad, at least to me and a lot of other OWNERS of that computer. You can see a lot of complains about battery online.

But if you love it, enjoy it. Don't go random calling people trolls, poor, etc. if they don't like it.

 

[thesaint024]

Well.... I have 2 devices that are UBC C

1. GoPro Hero Session 5
2. Lacie USB C 4TB mobile drive

Everything else I use at the moment requires a dongle.. I am not interested in getting into the whole dongle argument because I am fine with it for the most part..

Look.. If Apple wanted to move to USB C then I think they should have done to slowly.. This year add 2 USB C, one USB A and an SD Card slot. Next year, as more and more devices convert then adjust the type and number of ports accordingly..

I have not said the MacBook Pro sucks and I've said numerous times it's a fine computer. The fanboys here just breeze right on past those comments and attack anyone for saying it's not all gravy..

I was addressing the whole hater crowd, not specifically you because I know you have an MBP (and are pissed about it). The whole usb-c thing is just irrelevant. I have posted elsewhere that I bought 4 usb-c to usb-a one inch adapters for $16. I carry one with me (that I never use). The others are backup because they are cheap. Point is, lack of usb-a ports is a non-issue for me, and I'm sure most people - carry one tiny adapter. On my wish list of things I wish were different on the MBP, include ONE usb-a port. But in real usage, this is a non-factor. Most people are not constantly transferring files onto various media. I won't speak to the other lost ports because I rarely used them. So happy that I don't carry them around with me at all times. Not all gravy, but pros greatly outweigh the cons for all of us "fanboys". Apple could have slowly rolled out usb-c, but seeing what they did with the MB and it's SINGLE usb-c port, I saw this coming a mile away. Apple doesn't roll like that. Baby steps don't bring change.

 

[Hankster]

8) DONGLE WARS - You know who cried the hardest when I saw the missing ports? That was me! Where's my SD slot? Where's my USB 3.0? Where's my slot for GameBoy cartridges? But the truth is that no "pro" cares a wit about this stuff. Pro's use D810 DSLRs and we carried CF readers anyway. No matter, because a tiny SD card reader and USB adapter cost me 30 bucks. Everything works and it works fast. I broke a SD card on the Air because I forgot it was in the slot. That won't happen again. There's nothing non-pro about these machine except the folks using them.

This one section alone shows how ignorant you are assuming all users are like you. Also, if you don't believe professional users care about "dongles" you are 100% wrong. I know several graphic designers and photographers who HATE the new MacBook Pro and have refused to purchase it due to the amount of new third party devices they would have to purchase. Also, most of their clients DO NOT have a USB-C reader.

Unreal how some people in today's society can be so ego-eccentric.

 

[raqball]

I was addressing the whole hater crowd, not specifically you because I know you have an MBP (and are pissed about it)

I would not say I am pissed about it but I do know for a fact I overpaid for what I got.. When I use the computer I am happy with it and I like a lot about it but I don't put blinders on either..

The machine is overpriced, plain and simple.. Do you get a stellar computer that's well built and supported? Yup... Should it cost less that what they are selling them for? In my opinion, yes!

 

[Hankster]

Stopped reading when the troll, called people trolls. Because everyone who takes issue with the laptop or is critical, must be either poor or a hater.

It's laughable the OP assumes "haters" are upset because they cannot afford the machine. That's supports more so this individual is void of reality. In the last 7-8 years I have purchased over 10 Apple laptops/desktops and 5-6 iPads and 5-6 iPhones. Please. Never bring money into an issue. It only shows your ignorance.

 

[raqball]

It's laughable the OP assumes "haters" are upset because they cannot afford the machine. That's supports more so this individual is void of reality. In the last 7-8 years I have purchased over 10 Apple laptops/desktops and 5-6 iPads and 5-6 iPhones. Please. Never bring money into an issue. It only shows your ignorance.

When people try and self justify their purchase and / or are in the honeymoon phase it's common to attack others who don't share the same point of view..

In my mind there is a difference between can't afford it and don't want to pay the higher Apple tax... Some, like me, swallowed the added Apple tax and purchased but I won't hold it against anyone who passed..

There are valid reasons to buy and there are just as many valid reasons to pass..

 

[CaptRB]

You have issues dude, stop running around calling people liars. I said it was highly debatable, which means there is not a consensus on these points and it is a matter of opinion.

- Yes the screen is better and the speakers are great but these are not highly tempting upgrades for most people as the screen on last years models are still excellent.

- Keyboard is not better for everyone.
- Touch bar isn't useful for everyone, more than just being a gimmick for some, it has it's drawbacks and they are documented all over this forum.
- Battery life in a lot of instances is reported to be worse than last year
- the integrated GPU which is used most of the time is weaker
- As far as price goes there are insanely high premiums on the 15 inch model which most professionals tend to be interested in. The non touch bar 13 inch model is the only model priced decently.
-It is highly debatable if you get "a LOT more" since you also have to factor into the price the lack of ports, lack of mag safe, obnoxiously loud keyboard and all of what I mentioned above.
- last years models can be had at the refurbished store as good as new for a lot cheaper and off ebay.

Have fun with your mbp but learn to distinguish between opinions and facts.

Sorry, but virtually nothing I said is "debatable."

1) The interface of these systems is most important to pro's. The screen is clearly superior to the previous generation. I'm loading massive D810 files and the brightness and color advantages are useful. This matters to pros quite a bit. I also work in the film biz and the improved brightness is a BIG deal when working outside. Sorry, but THAT is not debatable as it's a matter of specific specifications.

2) The previous generation keyboards had a LOT of key wobble and light leakage. A keystroke had less feedback in spite of the tiny travel difference. I've already run typing tests (so did my wife who can manage nearly 75 WPM) and we are both faster as the lack of wobble means fewer errors. How long have YOU been typing on the new keyboard? How many users do you know OFF off the ultra reliable internet?

3) Battery life, so far, is on par with my Air. Reports vary because usage type varies. The video tests show good life on youtube, but certain apps will kill off a battery. I worked on PS and Lightroom yesterday for about 3.5 hours, plus writing, web nonsense (like this) and videos. I easily got beyond 9 hours. Maybe we have some bad batteries out there?

4) GPU is not causing a slowdown on any tasks thus far. The 15" units that my friend is doing video work on is VERY fast. What experience have you DIRECTLY beyond what you see on the reliable web?

5) Are you math challenged? The 13" touch bar cost 200/250 more than loaded MacBook and MacBook airs and you get a MUCH nicer machine. My 15" retina cost 400.00 less than the current model and it's slower with no touch bar, inferior screen and so on. Again, those are the real numbers. Go configure a MacBook to get close to the TMBP and see for yourself. You get what you pay for.

6) Factor in the lack of mag safe? I liked magsafe, but it won't change my life in any way. Lack of ports? Yep, 30 bucks is a lot to pay for the adapters I guess. With my last generation Macs I still needed adapters for CF cards (that's a PRO format card). I guess somewhere someone will need to buy a USB-C to HDMI adapter for 14 bucks. Ouch! How does this effect YOU? I've got twin monitors and it doesn't effect me, so enlighten us since I just leave the adapter at the end of the HDMI line anyway. It's not in the bottom of my boot. Loud keyboard? Turn up your TV.

BTW....as I typed LOL and TV, emojis of smiley face and TV appeared for me to insert. Not to exciting, but also showing up in my touch bar are alternate predictive text elements and spellings...very cool.

If you like the last generation and you don't want the nicer faster machine, buy the old one. But don't post nonsense based on zero experience. All of these advantages, regardless of your ranking, simply add up to a very nice laptop.



Robert

 

[marc55]

Are you getting around 9 hours consistently?

I think you are the only one I've read who is getting 9+ hours out of the 13" Touch Bar; I may have to get one

Is anyone else getting 9+ hours out of their 13" TB-MBP?

 

[thesaint024]

When people try and self justify their purchase and / or are in the honeymoon phase it's common to attack others who don't share the same point of view..

In my mind there is a difference between can't afford it and don't want to pay the higher Apple tax... Some, like me, swallowed the added Apple tax and purchased but I won't hold it against anyone who passed..

There are valid reasons to buy and there are just as many valid reasons to pass..

Going in circles. Let's just let the OP be happy about his purchase as many of us are. We got a new toy! We want to express happiness about it, not listen to people about why they think it sucks for their uses. We think it was worth the money. We are not any richer or poorer or stupider than those that passed. We are all douchey Apple users that always pay premium, more so in rev A years. There are two sides to every argument. Leave it at that and let's carry on being more productive in this forum. These fanboy/hater arguments are reh-tah-ded - summed up as "worth the money/not worth the money".

 

[CaptRB]

It's laughable the OP assumes "haters" are upset because they cannot afford the machine. That's supports more so this individual is void of reality. In the last 7-8 years I have purchased over 10 Apple laptops/desktops and 5-6 iPads and 5-6 iPhones. Please. Never bring money into an issue. It only shows your ignorance.

Actually, what it shows a lack of education on your part in addition to being highly self centered. Let's teach you why.

1) My comment is based on the professional implementation of these machines in a professional capacity. As such, we don't pay much attention to a couple of hundred dollars of price difference. Who would? Someone who is ultra cheap or ultra poor or somewhere in between. A huge amount of posts are about the cost and the price difference is actually TINY when you spec out this or last years model to comparable levels. The math is the math. Thus my comment is aimed correctly.

2) The comment was not directed at YOU. A moment of looking beyond yourself and noting that most negative posts are from NON-OWNERS might have been your first clue. But being self-centered, you could only apply my comment to YOU and it was suddenly all about YOU and you alone. Good grief. We're all happy you have money, but the crying over the cost here makes it fairly obvious that a huge number of folks have trouble with paying for what they get.

Put the 13" TMBP in perspective. You don't compare it to a MacBook Air. You have to max out the air to top level so their closer and then for 250 dollars more the new Pro blows the Air away. For 200 dollars more the same applies to the MacBook. For 400 dollars more, the new 15" is superior to my previous 15 in most respects, from screen to speed.

Spare me opinions and show me that you OWN this machine and stick to the facts.

Cheers,


Robert

 

[raqball]

Going in circles. Let's just let the OP be happy about his purchase as many of us are. We got a new toy! We want to express happiness about it, not listen to people about why they think it sucks for their uses. We think it was worth the money. We are not any richer or poorer or stupider than those that passed. We are all douchey Apple users that always pay premium, more so in rev A years. There are two sides to every argument. Leave it at that and let's carry on being more productive in this forum. These fanboy/hater arguments are reh-tah-ded - summed up as "worth the money/not worth the money".

I agree but the OP's comment in the original post was uncalled for, wrong and irrelevant to his "Real Review".. It had to be meant as a flat out slam, put down, and passive aggressive remark to anyone who does not share his view(s) on the computer..

Remove those comments / remarks and this thread would have been much different..

My .02

 

[macmee]

Actually, what it shows a lack of education on your part in addition to being highly self centered. Let's teach you why.

1) My comment is based on the professional implementation of these machines in a professional capacity. As such, we don't pay much attention to a couple of hundred dollars of price difference. Who would? Someone who is ultra cheap or ultra poor or somewhere in between. A huge amount of posts are about the cost and the price difference is actually TINY when you spec out this or last years model to comparable levels. The math is the math. Thus my comment is aimed correctly.

2) The comment was not directed at YOU. A moment of looking beyond yourself and noting that most negative posts are from NON-OWNERS might have been your first clue. But being self-centered, you could only apply my comment to YOU and it was suddenly all about YOU and you alone. Good grief. We're all happy you have money, but the crying over the cost here makes it fairly obvious that a huge number of folks have trouble with paying for what they get.

Put the 13" TMBP in perspective. You don't compare it to a MacBook Air. You have to max out the air to top level so their closer and then for 250 dollars more the new Pro blows the Air away. For 200 dollars more the same applies to the MacBook. For 400 dollars more, the new 15" is superior to my previous 15 in most respects, from screen to speed.

Spare me opinions and show me that you OWN this machine and stick to the facts.

Cheers,


Robert

How professional do you think you are if you are okay with the crappy performance of the GPU in the new macs? The colour reproduction is wonderful but it's not a powerhouse even if you throw every possible $300 upgrade at it. No CUDA, hardly any RAM, etc, etc.

 

[raqball]

Are you getting around 9 hours consistently?

I think you are the only one I've read who is getting 9+ hours out of the 13" Touch Bar; I may have to get one

Is anyone else getting 9+ hours out of their 13" TB-MBP?

I am not getting anywhere close to that.. Granted I am only on day 2 with it so time will tell..

The nTB I had before exchanging it did get 9-10 hours but so far I am seeing about 6 hours with the TB..

 

[CaptRB]

Are you getting around 9 hours consistently?

I think you are the only one I've read who is getting 9+ hours out of the 13" Touch Bar; I may have to get one

Is anyone else getting 9+ hours out of their 13" TB-MBP?

My 13" has been going (no sleeping at all) since 6:30 am. It's playing music and video via youtube much of that time and I have Lightroom open. Brightness on screen has been one click below maximum. Keyboard brightness is at maximum. I'm at 39% at this moment, which is close to where my Air would be (with it's darker screen and wobbly keyboard). Actually...just knocked the screen brightness down. 3 or 4 clicks off max is about right me indoors, so I wasted a lot of power.

Some apps can kill the battery. Whenever I used my Nikon software on the air, the battery would drain faster.

I don't see any issue with this battery, but there's already small USB-C power bricks you can buy and more on the way.


R.
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How professional do you think you are if you are okay with the crappy performance of the GPU in the new macs? The colour reproduction is wonderful but it's not a powerhouse even if you throw every possible $300 upgrade at it. No CUDA, hardly any RAM, etc, etc.

I'm sorry. I'm using PS, Lightroom and Premiere. Sources include Nikon D810, D500, GoPro 4K video, along with HD content from the D810. This all works fine on the 13" with 8 GB of ram. My friend is using RED system with the new 15" models and loves it. Now I know there are folks out there who need serious ram and power, but they often invest in full blown desktops (as I did). I read tons of nonsense about processing scores, but how software is handled by the OS is hugely important, along with the faster SSD. No issues here thus far.

Where is your slow-down occurring in your workflow???


R.