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Really switching to Intel!!??

riversky said:
This is why. Intel's new dual core mobiles will allow 8 hours of battery on the same hardware as today, will be wickedly fast and have WiFi built in. 2mb cache on the cores....Look IBM doesn't even have a G5 roadmap. Everything is speculation. They can't even get Apple to G5 at 3ghz in two years!!!! but can get MS Xbox to 3.2ghz. I think Jobs is both pissed and wants to move OS X to a global platform for growth and focus on software and media and NOT the hardware.....

Well see but it will be big news, and the fact that IBM hasn't denied it for stock moves purposes is the tell tale sign that they know what's up....

OS X software will be easy to port because FreeBSD runs on X86 anyways so it is very, very, easy to port and older software with the Intel Dual Cores can run an emulator program very effectively!

It will be a good move long term.
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You're right on.

People need to realize, if IBM can't deliver, Apple can't deliver. Not a good scenario to have to deal with.

I say this will be happening because of the overall support Apple will be getting from Intel, dual core technology, and as a way to finally boost the performance of the Powerbooks without worrying about power consumption and heat issues.

It's coming guys. Don't wait around denying it.
 
Hiroshige said:
Lenovo is not capable of making current G4 or G5 class chips. No Chinese company is or is even within striking distance.
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Maybe you should read my post again. IBM makes the chips, IBM is partners with Lenovo, Lenovo is partly owned by the chinese govt.

IBM=Lenovo=China=ENEMY

so

IBM=ENEMY

But heah thats not my personal view, its just what I read so no bombs at my house please. :)
 
absolut_mac said:
Hey, don't take the rumor sites too seriously. I don't :)

As for the switch itself, it doesn't seem to make sense to my limited knowledge of these things for two reasons.

1) IBM has some very exciting developments coming down the pike - cell processors, 45 nano wafers, Sony, MS and Nintendo all using IBM for their game boxes etc.

2) Intel seems to have hit a wall, both in terms of more gigs (read speed) and new and improved CPU architecture.

Just my 2c's worth.
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I expect Steve Jobs has thrown a massive tantrum that the Xbox and PS3 will be gettting far, far better chips far earlier than Apple.

Intel hasn't hit a wall at all. Their Pentium-M architecture is absolutely incredible.
 
Apple could also be contracting Intel to supply the service processors and SMUs.

Since the PowerMac G5s are so complex they require a third CPU to perform a POR.
 
I know market share is important to attract developers to OS X but I like Apple being a niche market. It would be great if Apple had 6% market share.
 
Agathon said:
There's good reason to believe this. Someone from IBM basically confirmed to me a few weeks back that something like this was up.

Good riddance if it is true. IBM suck.
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Curious, First motorola, then IBM had problems rapidly increasing the speed of RISC chips. Has anyone ever thought of the complexity of RISC chips means that development times are longer. Secondly, Apple is a small customer. It's extremely difficult for them to dictate the pace of innovation from a chip company. The faster the pace of innovation, the costlier it is. Intel can afford rapid innovation because of volume.
 
Bad News In eWeek Article

That eWeek article says,

"Apple could also adopt a multicore G4 derivative from Freescale Semiconductor Inc., once the chip arm of Motorola Inc., for its portables, Krewell said.

"That's still a 2006 thing … and it's designed for the network world," he said. "It would require some modifications. But it's doable."" :mad:
 
Hiroshige said:
Lenovo is not capable of making current G4 or G5 class chips. No Chinese company is or is even within striking distance.
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Your right... but Lenovo bought IBM's PC business, NOT it's chip business!
 
Pardon my ignorance

What Mac-only applications are out there? I know Apple has a ton of them, but I can't think of any third-party apps that are Mac-only. If they move to x86 processor architecture, the PC versions (x86) of existing applications would be easy to run because they are compiled for x86, correct?

If that were the case, Apple would not loose their own software developers because of the transition, so no Mac-only applications would be in jeopardy.

...And it could open up the PC only apps (and viruses, unfortunately) to the Mac platform.

There are a lot of people on these boards that are smarter than I am. Does this theory hold water?
 
DHagan4755 said:
Here's the flip side of the coin... Read this story just out.
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1823273,00.asp
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Doesn't make sense at all. We would of heard about dual-core CPUs from IBM by now if it'd been true.

Not only that, it's by 'analysts' (read: Wall St slickers who really don't have a clue and publish stuff like this and reap the profits off the stock price moves that occur because of this).

CNet is an extremely credible source. They would not publish this without either being hacked or being extremely mislead. You don't put 'Apple will be dropping IBM and replacing it with Intel' if you are not 99.5% confident it will happen -- you'd word it much more eloquently.

You guys need to remember you all booed the screenshots of Tiger and they turned out to be 100% true.

Considering that there has been absolutely nothing from ThinkSecret or AppleInsider really about WWDC (usually a hotbed of rumors about now), I think it's likely that at least ThinkSecret has been paid off on this one, or scared ****less.
 
look my opinion is that i truly want apple to be the best computer company that it is...If IBM and Motorola cant help well then F$£@ them. i have no problem with Apple taking Intel...in My opinion it is a good move...Go apple!!
 
You know what I think of that makes me laugh my ass off is when Apple first anounced the G5 they showed IBM's multi-Billion dollar fab facility that is there to just make G5 chips for Apple. It was so hi-tech. So after all that construction all they can kick out 2 yrs later is a 2.7ghz G5? That is sooo funny.

I can see the lead Scientist at the IBM fab plant sitting in his chair at home watching the G5 introduction and the camera shots of the fab plant and just shaking his head at their stupidity. No company ever listens to the smartest guy in the office, they are usually anti-social and weird.
 
I remember seeing the Intel executive talking and he was saying he and Jobs had been friends for years and where golf buddies. A lot of business gets done on the golf course. ;)
 
MacTruck said:
Maybe you should read my post again. IBM makes the chips, IBM is partners with Lenovo, Lenovo is partly owned by the chinese govt.

IBM=Lenovo=China=ENEMY

so

IBM=ENEMY

But heah thats not my personal view, its just what I read so no bombs at my house please. :)
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It is my understanding that Lenovo bought IBM's PC business.
They are going to be producing low-priced commodity PCs.
This is not really hi-tech stuff. It is high volume, low margin.

Anyway, the more they participate in the capitalist economy, the less Red they become.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if this is a way of finding out about a mole. There are just way too many drawbacks to this news item. The only way I could see it is if Steve has a REALLY hurt ego by all this PowerPC for games business.
 
Has anyone thought about how this would affect Apple's machine based sales? If Apple did make an OSX for Intel boxes wouldn't that be shooting itself in the foot as far as hardware based sales are concerned? With Intel boxes being a hec of a lot cheaper than most Apple boxes, why would someone spend considerable money on an Apple machine when you can get the same functionality on a cheaper Intel box?

I hope this rumour isn't true. If it is, do we stand to lose that love/hate relationship we have with Windows users? I like being part of a semi-elite clan! ;-)
 
aldo said:
Doesn't make sense at all. We would of heard about dual-core CPUs from IBM by now if it'd been true.

Not only that, it's by 'analysts' (read: Wall St slickers who really don't have a clue and publish stuff like this and reap the profits off the stock price moves that occur because of this).

CNet is an extremely credible source. They would not publish this without either being hacked or being extremely mislead. You don't put 'Apple will be dropping IBM and replacing it with Intel' if you are not 99.5% confident it will happen -- you'd word it much more eloquently.

You guys need to remember you all booed the screenshots of Tiger and they turned out to be 100% true.

Considering that there has been absolutely nothing from ThinkSecret or AppleInsider really about WWDC (usually a hotbed of rumors about now), I think it's likely that at least ThinkSecret has been paid off on this one, or scared ********.
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CNet has been know to keep up with the speculation -- it's all part of the Wallstreet game.

However Apple has been pulling 180s recently.

They've shaken up years of entrenched momentum lately with the shuffle and mini.

It's possible, and also unlikely at the same time considering what stuff IBM and Freescale are working on in the PPC arena.

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But at least this story will either come true or create a yolky substance on the writers face as early as next week.

So it's not like we are looking at months of torture.
 
areyouwishing said:
I wouldn't be surprised if this is a way of finding out about a mole. There are just way too many drawbacks to this news item. The only way I could see it is if Steve has a REALLY hurt ego by all this PowerPC for games business.
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That could explain why noone else (read: people who know Apple) is running this story: it's just too far-fetched.


Yes, i'm in denial
 
mapple_snac said:
Has anyone thought about how this would affect Apple's machine based sales? If Apple did make an OSX for Intel boxes wouldn't that be shooting itself in the foot as far as hardware based sales are concerned? With Intel boxes being a hec of a lot cheaper than most Apple boxes, why would someone spend considerable money on an Apple machine when you can get the same functionality on a cheaper Intel box?

I hope this rumour isn't true. If it is, do we stand to lose that love/hate relationship we have with Windows users? I like being part of a semi-elite clan! ;-)
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Fact of the matter is 3% marketshare, anyone else would have been out of business but not Apple. Steve has had it with Crappy Cpu makers like IBM and Motorola. Apple could double marketshare in a year just by offering alternatives to Windows for the Pc. 3% is 3% :(
 
evolutioneight said:
Does anyone here actually want that crummy "intel inside" sticker on their mac?

I DIDN'T THINK SO
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It's NOT about the company who makes the chip. You would not see an Intel sticker on your Mac.

Face it. You use a Mac...as in Macintosh the software. When you use your computer do honestly ponder on what company made the CPU?

I'm just as upset as the next guy on this news, but if it means do or die for Apple I'm all for it.
If you are so damn stubburn about a CPU company then maybe your interests are not in the well being of Apple.
 
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