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Really switching to Intel!!??

dicklacara said:
No, Apple will survive if they just let the hand play out... they have the winning cards [technology/os/time etc] on their side. All they have to do is play them boldly, carefully and to win!
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And Steve Jobs plays his hands better than just about anyone else in the industry!
 
jnasato said:
I hope this doesn't mean that my new Mac in the future will have an "Intel Inside" sticker on it...
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I'm sure that's the worst of your problems.
 
Mr Maui Quote: Originally Posted by iceTrX So I personally think if this Apple + Intel relationship extends into Macs (and not Xscale or something for the iPod) that Intel will be just fabricating already designed chips for Apple. This could mean much larger yields of the G5: so there are more G5s available for Apple to ship said:
Finally, my point of 300 posts ago mirrored. I wondered if I was the only one. And I still have hundreds of posts to read yet. LOL! That's what I get for going to sleep and having a life for a little while.
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Here is the problem... powerbooks. What of G5 powerbooks. The largest growing segment of the computer market.

ever been to best buy
 
I personally see them just using the Intel Pentium 4 processor inside of the Power Macs as a daugther board for using x86 applications natively on OSX. Like running Virtual PC, instead of having something that feels like a 400 MHz Pentium II, it'd be at full native speeds. I personally cant see them dumping IBM, as its starting to seem that Intel is hitting a brick wall with the way things are going for them. Though the Pentium-M would be great in laptops, and would be a killer product for Apple.
 
jnasato said:
I hope this doesn't mean that my new Mac in the future will have an "Intel Inside" sticker on it...
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Does Intel force PC-makers to have this sticker on the outside? If, and that's a big, big if, Apple starts using Intel chips for the CPU, are they required to have that sticker on the outside or does Apple have the option to leave it off?
 
PPC Resale value

beerstine said:
I don't care if my computer is powered by PPC, Intel or hopped up hamsters...as long as it runs OSX, runs as fast or faster than a PC with video apps and doesn't expose us to the PC world's security issues.

I will need a new G5 this year and was hoping to hold out for dual core. I can't hold off 2 years for an Intel Mac. I may decide though to buy a lower end desktop or a refurb G5 and save a few bucks knowing I'll have to buy another machine in 2 years along with a boatload of reworked software.

Two things concern me: The resale value of old Power PC gear. Either the market will dry up, or the PPC holdouts will wildly drive up their EBay prices trying to hold on to their legacy software.

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you got it one the resale. I would think it is a good time to invest in some cheap older hardware.
 
Reanimation_LP said:
I personally see them just using the Intel Pentium 4 processor inside of the Power Macs as a daugther board for using x86 applications natively on OSX.
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We tried this about 10 years ago with OrangeMicro boards. It was OK, but I don't think anyone would want to try this approach again.
 
PowerMac P4

Here we come

I love my Dual 2.0 G5. But im all for newer faster hardware even if that means going with Intel.

as long as it has apples style and refinement who cares what chip runs it

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iQuit said:
(Intel jingle plays) Apple PC's use Intel Pentium 4 processors
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Yeah this all seems much too true not to happen. The scary thing is I can hear that now at the end of a commercial. The jingle and the whole voice over and especially Apple "PC's"
 
Mr Maui said:
Who says Intel has to "design" anything. It is possible that Intel fabrication plants could be used strictly to produce existing designs in greater volume than IBm or Moto ever did. Intel's design team can keep on designing their own stuff while their fabrication plants can produce PPCs in great quantity. Apple has it's own design teams. And the AIM (Apple/IBM/Moto) have their own teams working on designs. Intel may be used only for its production capabilities. IBM has shown it is clearly falling short. And though x86 may not wind up inside of Macs ... what a feather in the cap of Intel to be able to say that prrocessors they "produced" are inside of Macs. This could be a possible reason for Intel to do it. Just another option.
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Bottom line is that one reason for Apple to do this is to have more advanced chips - which means having CPU architects and designers (multiple teams) working on CPUs - and of course you need to keep advancing chipsets too ...... I don't think Apple has those kinds of resources to toss into this !!

And I repeat - Intel will not in any way risk its 85% market share to somehow help with Apples 1 - 2% market share. So if this is really true - Apple will be using x86 chips - done deal.

Now its quite easy for Apple/Intel to make both cpus and chipsets that have internal (unaccessable) registers to keep OS X from running on a standard off the shelf Pentium or from being able to run XP on a x86 based Apple box. All that is very do-able.

But you ain't gonna see Intel using any of its resources (Fabs or design teams) to work on another architecture. I left Intel last year - and budgets and head counts are totally strapped since the tech sector is still in the crapper.
 
adamfilip said:
PowerMac P4

Here we come

I love my Dual 2.0 G5. But im all for newer faster hardware even if that means going with Intel.

as long as it has apples style and refinement who cares what chip runs it

check my attachment :)
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Please don't ever do that again - nearly choked on my coffee. :eek:
 
obeygiant said:
would someone explain why this is a bad thing.
Everyone is saying "oh this is my last mac, i'm going to linux" blah blah.
why?
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Yeah, I totally agree with you. I sense a small bit of "fanboyism" going on here...
 
Perhaps Apple is going after Microsoft. People are terribly unhappy with Microsoft at the moment. XP is an insecure mess and Longhorn keeps being delayed.

You can be sure that people at Microsoft have known about Apple switching to Intel for some time. Even I had strong confirmation of this from an IBM person weeks ago. M$ have their spies as do all such companies...

It would go some way towards explaining Microsoft's heavy current Windows ad campaign. That is costing them a fortune. I can't understand why they are doing it – it isn't as if they are losing masses of customers to Apple and the various Linux distros.

Something very weird is going on...
 
I'm still having an incredibly hard time buying this all, but I also would have a really hard time buying that the Wall Street Journal is giving us bad info. An organization like that would be expected to comprehensively verify their information (as well as not use an anonymous source, I'm sure whoever they talked to is fairly informed).

I don't think Steve would ditch IBM over pure anger though. There must have been some indication that the dual core G4 and 970MP/GX were simply not going to happen. If that is the case then we should happily bid Big Blue and Freescale good riddance.

At any rate, whatever comes out Monday will have the markets going mad. I'm so glad I'm out of school. This is going to be exciting, whatever the outcome is. Although I will give this the off-chance that this will turn into some Y2k-style non-event...wouldn't Steve really have us all dying then if he announced nothing new? ;)
 
Apple with PowerPC and x86

First the G5 with a PowerPC Dual and then the G5 with a P4. Apple will be able to save a LOT of money on fancy cooling systems and have a lot of left over space. I know the G5 convert is homemade, but that is some UGLY guts in an Apple case... label on the side, DO NOT OPEN UNLESS YOU ARE A TRAINED TECH.
 

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UPDATE: Inside sources have leaked a picture of the iBook's new logic board. It appears as a more advanced mobile processor will be used. Heat levels are expected to drop by 80% and battery life is anticipated to be around 10 hours on a single charge:



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