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Having a Drobo or RAID or server set-up is good. The nature of your data is what should determine the solution though. For myself, I have 2 external 500GB drives, one acts as my primary file drive (using MBP with 160GB int) so all my music, photos and data reside there. The second 500GB is a back-up/clone which I run weekly. That drive basically sits on the shelf unplugged until I run the back-up. I know I'll out-grow this set-up soon, but thats okay. Although it's tempting to buy the biggest drive available to have plenty of room to grow, you should really buy only what you need for the next year or two. That 2TB drive will most likely be 1/2 the cost in 2 years and if you only are at 1TB in 2 years, you just wasted your money. Plus, for safe & secure archiving, I recommend refreshing your drives every 2 years, which you can step up to bigger drives for a lot less than they cost before. Although drives are rated & warranted for longer, the costs of recovery & loss of data are reason enough to be overly cautious.

There's still one big problem with most home back-ups, risk of physical loss. Any number of things can happen from fire to storms, theft to spilt coffee. I feel if you're the type that absolutely wants to know there data is preserved no matter what... okay short of alien invasion or global Armageddon.... off-site back-up storage is key. Obviously you need to find not only a reliable, fast & secure service, but one that will be in business in 5 years (re-evaluate options about then, who knows what new technologies will bring). Personally, I'm looking at Amazon S3 storage since they aren't going anywhere soon, they have an amazingly huge, secure and redundant server network, and its cheap! There are many ways to get your data on to S3, choose which work best for you, but the core solution is S3. Of course, any online back-up requires a good high-speed connection, although a few I've seen allow you to do the initial back-up via a hard drive which you run directly on your computer, send the drive to them and they transfer the back-up to their servers. After that, the following back-ups are much smaller. Hopefully, Comcast and others WON'T start limiting & charging for bandwidth like they're testing in Texas.
 
Having a Drobo or RAID or server set-up is good. The nature of your data is what should determine the solution though. For myself, I have 2 external 500GB drives, one acts as my primary file drive (using MBP with 160GB int) so all my music, photos and data reside there. The second 500GB is a back-up/clone which I run weekly. That drive basically sits on the shelf unplugged until I run the back-up. I know I'll out-grow this set-up soon, but thats okay. Although it's tempting to buy the biggest drive available to have plenty of room to grow, you should really buy only what you need for the next year or two. That 2TB drive will most likely be 1/2 the cost in 2 years and if you only are at 1TB in 2 years, you just wasted your money. Plus, for safe & secure archiving, I recommend refreshing your drives every 2 years, which you can step up to bigger drives for a lot less than they cost before. Although drives are rated & warranted for longer, the costs of recovery & loss of data are reason enough to be overly cautious.

There's still one big problem with most home back-ups, risk of physical loss. Any number of things can happen from fire to storms, theft to spilt coffee. I feel if you're the type that absolutely wants to know there data is preserved no matter what... okay short of alien invasion or global Armageddon.... off-site back-up storage is key. Obviously you need to find not only a reliable, fast & secure service, but one that will be in business in 5 years (re-evaluate options about then, who knows what new technologies will bring). Personally, I'm looking at Amazon S3 storage since they aren't going anywhere soon, they have an amazingly huge, secure and redundant server network, and its cheap! There are many ways to get your data on to S3, choose which work best for you, but the core solution is S3. Of course, any online back-up requires a good high-speed connection, although a few I've seen allow you to do the initial back-up via a hard drive which you run directly on your computer, send the drive to them and they transfer the back-up to their servers. After that, the following back-ups are much smaller. Hopefully, Comcast and others WON'T start limiting & charging for bandwidth like they're testing in Texas.

Good points. Very good points. One thing I am considering now is two 750GB external Hard Drives. One that is always plugged in, on which my iMovie library resides, and one to back that one up every week or two.

Here is another question though... on the drive that would always be plugged in, and that I would be doing all of my editing off of, should that drive be a RAID O drive with striping so I get faster HD times... or should the normal HD with FW800 be fast enough for that? I'm assuming the other drive will be just a normal drive since the higest of speeds are not necessary.

To break it down:

Would you get THIS:
1 750 HD - FW800 w/RAID 0 (connected to computer)
1 750 HD - FW800 (backup of first drive)

or THIS:
1 750 HD - FW800 (connected to computer)
1 750 HD - FW800 (backup of 1st drive)
 
Why do you think this? Is it your opinion, or do you have some intimate knowledge that this is less reliable/stable than a standalone RAID? I have had two externals in a mirrored RAID using Disk Utility and it's been fine for a long while now. Having two enclosures limits the chance of complete failure and makes me feel more comfortable than using one that could blow up catastrophically...

Although, when Drobo lowers their prices to something more reasonable - I may just buy one of those.

I have not used Disk Utility for doing RAID. I am more the type of person to do a hardware raid as i can take that from computer to computer and it will continue to work. Most software RAID's (especially in the windows world) are almost impossible to transfer from machine to machine without a lot of work.

And the RAIDing of the externals i was more thinking along the lines of a RAID 0; which to me over a USB/firewire connection seems pointless, but i could be wrong.
 
And the RAIDing of the externals i was more thinking along the lines of a RAID 0; which to me over a USB/firewire connection seems pointless, but i could be wrong.

I use mine as a network server, so it won't be traveling much. I can still use a single drive in the RAID independently if I needed. RAID 0 over FW isn't pointless, just not as elegant as an all in one solution.
 
Very good point. Can you point me to some sources other than Drobo where you can buy hard drives compatible with their system? Or does it accept pretty much every type?

Also, same question to you regarding NAS speed. Is yours hooked up via wireless? Are you able to do video editing and such over the network speed connection?

Any SATA drives will work. They even go in faster then in my Mac Pro. I have 2 Seagates and 2 Maxtors in there now. That the beauty of it.

I have never edited video, though I plan to in the future. But I would want the file to be on the machine, and not on another source. I have streamed video, while adding files to the Drobo, all over the wireless network, using an AEBS.

I should also metion the file format I currently use is FAT32, which is an older format, so Macs and PCs can access the files. The downfall is that it has a ceiling of 4GB per file. I'd like to figure a way to overcome this limit, but i honestly haven't looked hard yet.
 
Just get the proper drive for video, like an OWC Elite Pro or similar for the primary external drive. The backup/clone can be any decent drive using FW, so spend more for a quality primary external. They don't need to be the exact same drive, just the same size.
 
Ok, ok... I've been thinking about this from a different angle. Since my two primary HD hogs are iTunes and iMovie, why not instead put my iTunes files over to the RAID drive. iTunes streaming content (possibly HD movies) from a network device wouldn't be nearly as hard as trying to edit movies, right?

Should I be able to store my entire iTunes library on a network drive without any major stalling at all? Will it stream the data fast enough so there is no lag?

If so, then I could get any number of externals mirroring eachother, or a Drobo which lets me add more storage later.
 
I've been stuck with backup methods that after a few years become worthless.
My concerns with Drobo:

A few years down the line the Drobo unit stops working
- If it can't be cheaply fixed / and Drobo is still around, fork out another $450+ for New Drobo.
- You can't just pop out drives and put into a drive enclosurer / NAS / RAID

Are these concerns I shouldn't be worried about ? :confused:
 
Ok, ok... I've been thinking about this from a different angle. Since my two primary HD hogs are iTunes and iMovie, why not instead put my iTunes files over to the RAID drive. iTunes streaming content (possibly HD movies) from a network device wouldn't be nearly as hard as trying to edit movies, right?

Should I be able to store my entire iTunes library on a network drive without any major stalling at all? Will it stream the data fast enough so there is no lag?

If so, then I could get any number of externals mirroring eachother, or a Drobo which lets me add more storage later.

You should be fine to stream iTunes over a network. You can even stream movies over the network (just not edit them).
 
I've been stuck with backup methods that after a few years become worthless.
My concerns with Drobo:

A few years down the line the Drobo unit stops working
- If it can't be cheaply fixed / and Drobo is still around, fork out another $450+ for New Drobo.
- You can't just pop out drives and put into a drive enclosurer / NAS / RAID

Are these concerns I shouldn't be worried about ? :confused:

An excellent point on the first one... but your secont point, I am not sure what you are saying here. The Drobo takes any SATA hard drive to my knowledge. That is one of the biggest draws of this system... to be able to 'pop out drives'.



You should be fine to stream iTunes over a network. You can even stream movies over the network (just not edit them).

Thanks for the info. Have you had experience with this? Has anyone else? Can anyone give me an idea of the potential 'lag' I would experience? Essentially all I do with iTunes is listen to songs, watch movies, and stream content to my AppleTV. Would any of this be affected? Woudl I even be able to tell that the content was on a network drive instead of in the machine?
 
On the second point, what I was trying to say was:

Once you go with Drobo, they write to the disk a different way, so you wouldn't be able to yank your disk from a dead Drobo unit and put it into a 3rd party enclosurer.

It does seem to be an easy way to back up, as long as the Drobo unit keeps working.
 
On the second point, what I was trying to say was:

Once you go with Drobo, they write to the disk a different way, so you wouldn't be able to yank your disk from a dead Drobo unit and put it into a 3rd party enclosurer.

It does seem to be an easy way to back up, as long as the Drobo unit keeps working.

I would be no more worried about a Drobo crashing, then I would any RAID box doing the same.

But you are correct, once the drives are written drobo-style they need to be in a drobo, in order to retreive the data...........
 
I am in the middle of collecting all the parts necessary to add a RAID 5 to my PMG4 server in my basement. I already have the SATA RAID controller card, cablers, and drive sleds. All i am waiting for is a good deal on 750 ot 1tb drives to throw in there. I am thinking 4 disk raid5 should give me at least 2TB of storage. I am just worried about expandability in a few years. Cause if you have the storage space you WILL use it.
 
I would be no more worried about a Drobo crashing, then I would any RAID box doing the same.

But you are correct, once the drives are written drobo-style they need to be in a drobo, in order to retreive the data...........

ButtUgly,
Can you give me any information or validation on using the Drobo over a 'G' network for streaming content to your computer or to an AppleTV? I am concerned about the speed. Will I notice any speed reduction in video playback through a networked Drobo?
 
ButtUgly,
Can you give me any information or validation on using the Drobo over a 'G' network for streaming content to your computer or to an AppleTV? I am concerned about the speed. Will I notice any speed reduction in video playback through a networked Drobo?

I have an AEBS, but not an AppleTV. I use Drobo + Droboshare, which means it was no work get it on the network. I stream video to my laptops all the time, and sometimes while uploading to the Drobo, and have never seen any lag.

Remember, AppleTV has a hard drive. So, I'm sure it must buffer streaming content..............

I used to stream video over a Netgear G network, and it handled it too. But this was pre-Drobo.
 
I have an AEBS, but not an AppleTV. I use Drobo + Droboshare, which means it was no work get it on the network. I stream video to my laptops all the time, and sometimes while uploading to the Drobo, and have never seen any lag.

Remember, AppleTV has a hard drive. So, I'm sure it must buffer streaming content..............

I used to stream video over a Netgear G network, and it handled it too. But this was pre-Drobo.

Was there any reason you went with the Droboshare as opposed to simply connecting the Drobo to the AEBS via USB?

When you are selecting songs, scanning through coverartwork, etc. do you notice any additional lag from the networked Drobo?

Thanks so much for the real-world insight! It is VERY helpful.
 
I would be no more worried about a Drobo crashing, then I would any RAID box doing the same.

But you are correct, once the drives are written drobo-style they need to be in a drobo, in order to retreive the data...........

yep, that is my main concern with storage solutions like the drobo or raids. it just means you need a second unit somewhere. that is ok for a business that has space and money to do so. i also don't think you can just run out to best buy and buy a drobo if yours at home dies. you probably have to order and wait. the redundancy to protect you from disk failure however is a great feature.

right now i have simply two hard drives with all my data on each of them. on copy is at home, the other is off site. i back up to the one at home every week via super duper, the off site gets updated every 3 weeks or so. that prevents total data loss, however if i accidently delete one of my files then it's also gone from the backups after 3 weeks. if i find out too late it's gone forever.....
 
The only lag is the initial accessing of the Drobo. And that happened when I put it on the network. It was far less noticable when it was connected directly to my desktop. In theory, there should be no problem connecting directly to a router that has gigabit, but Droboshare was insanely easy and has never needed any attention.

As for insane backups. All my data exsists in 4 coppies. Twice in my Drobo, anything important is on my primary drive, and also Time Machined on my second drive. I'm not really worried about anything, and I litterally do nothing.
 
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