It really does seem to be an issue with their IPS panels. Something about rushing them out to mass production while using quality control methods sufficient for lesser panels. It's frustrating to say the least. I didn't notice an issue with my Thunderbolt display, but with the two iPad's I returned it was painfully obvious. No need to look at a white background paper, it would be distracting every time I read a website or document with a white background (which I happen to do several hours every day).
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Red/Green tint on RMBP
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But the one Jamesesesesess was talking about was uniformly colored. And he was the one complaining about not wanting to calibrate. So duh right back at ya
Uhh I'm sorry that I feel as though I shouldn't have to calibrate my $2200 laptop? Especially when most other people with this laptop don't have the issue? I wouldn't expect discoloration from a $500 HP laptop, nonetheless a $2200 laptop from Apple.
There is no such thing as "proper colors" - once you really start to get into the color space discussion it will drive you insane. But only if you actually work with your equipment. If you are a professional photographer/designer and you need the colors on the screen to be like the ones printed you NEED to calibrate your screen. There is no way around it. Everything else is a consumer style "I like the colors they are so colorful" type of thinking. That's ok if you don't need to depend on it professionally.
Color tint is a different story. I have a fairly expensive Dell sRGB IPS screen and even though I replaced it 4 times it still has a greenish and a pinkish side when you look at something white or grey. I accepted it at some point since I won't spend several thousand euros on a screen. I don't make a living with it but I still calibrated it just like the MPB screen.
No matter how expensive the screen you need to calibrate if you are using it professionally. And not only once BTW....
Of course, I would expect professionals to do that. I was talking about the majority who buy laptops for normal usage. But I use mine mostly for personal use and so it's not a big deal to me. I just want it to look "normal" (normal being how the others RMBPs look).
My iPhone 4 has this problem when under certain angles in brightly lit environment. The way it manifests itself it's clear to me that this has nothing to with the LCD panel used or color calibration, but something with the glass emulsion or bonding. It's been like that since the day I got it, half a year ago. Thankfully on a small phone screen it's not a big deal and only noticeable at rare times. Previous iPhone, for which one this is a replacement, didn't have this issue, so it's really a luck of a draw. If it was a big laptop screen I'd exchange it right up.
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Accurate color reproduction is very difficult. For one thing, no camera records light with the spectral sensitivities of the three types of cone cells, and no display can reproduce all the colors that you can see (unless you're using two scanning prisms). The good news is that the human eye isn't good at noticing color inaccuracies unless the source and reproduction are held side-by-side.
I do appreciate the trend toward increasing color gamuts though.
So... how bad is this? Is it a take-back issue or just something which you've noticed once and will hopefully be able to tune out as a bit of a non-issue?
Got one on order just now, still in processing so possible to cancel it. I think I'll go into my local Apple Store tomorrow and have a look at their display models, see if I can see it.
Got one on order just now, still in processing so possible to cancel it. I think I'll go into my local Apple Store tomorrow and have a look at their display models, see if I can see it.
I just tried calibrating and it really didn't help at all. Comparing a solid white image on the MacBook to a solid white image on my iPhone makes it totally obvious that the MacBook is tinted. Considering they're both the same type of screens, I would expect them to look the same?
Honestly, I could probably get used to it, but it still doesn't sit well in my stomach knowing that I bought a $2200 laptop with a defective screen. Even if it is a common issue with IPS screens, I'd rather exchange it for one that doesn't have the issue.
Also, the odds are that you won't get one or see one with the issue. It seems like me and maybe a couple other people have it right now. If you do get one with the issue, I'm sure they'll exchange you one or replace the panel.
Honestly, I could probably get used to it, but it still doesn't sit well in my stomach knowing that I bought a $2200 laptop with a defective screen. Even if it is a common issue with IPS screens, I'd rather exchange it for one that doesn't have the issue.
Also, the odds are that you won't get one or see one with the issue. It seems like me and maybe a couple other people have it right now. If you do get one with the issue, I'm sure they'll exchange you one or replace the panel.
If it's like iphone screens, it's literally a luck of a draw if yours will have that problem or not.
so anyone can take a picture or a video so that we know where to look?
@Jamesesesesess - ygpm, just have another question that's not related to the topic here
@Jamesesesesess - ygpm, just have another question that's not related to the topic here
Any one got a picture of the discolouration. I was one of the people with an horrific iPad 3 screen at launch which was immediately swapped out. Iam currently waiting for delivery of my retina MBP and dont want all the hassle of returning again.
Comparing two screens next to each other will always show differences. Do you plan on using your MBP while holding your iPhone next to it all the time? If not, then your comparison is totally useless. You're not using it professionally, so you don't need it to match something else perfectly. And chances are the color on your iPhone is far from "perfect" as well. It's just what you're used to.
You have to understand, not only is every screen different, but so is each person. People's eyesight and color perception varies, actually by quite a bit. So do people's preferences. Some people prefer a warmer screen color, some prefer cooler tones. Colors look different depending on what type of light you're looking at them in. Outside light, florescent, incandescent, etc. all make things look different. I understand that you're not using yours for professional color reproduction, and that's fine. But expecting the screen to look exactly the way you want it to fresh out of the box is ridiculous. Apple doesn't know what you're preferences are or where you'll be looking at it.
Try calibrating it again, and not comparing it to other screens. Use the computer for a couple days...if under normal usage conditions (i.e. not staring at a completely black or white screen, because honestly, that's not what you'll be doing with it under regular use) it really bothers you, then maybe take it back. Wanting to return it for something like this immediately after you get it is, in my opinion, really jumping the gun. You can exchange it....and you'll quite possibly get another one that you don't like. And another one. At some point they'll likely tell you that it's within specs (because it most likely is) and they won't exchange it for screen color anymore.
Oh No, Please stop people - before this forum is nothing but "screen issue" threads. Even the best QC turns out a couple of "bad apples", but just enjoy your new laptop that is IMO the best one ever (to date). Lets not look to rain on the parade of proud new owners...
I do a lot of web and graphic design work, and I'm not seeing anything on my new RMBP, even at extreme angles.
White looks white to me. Agree that if you need screen results to match printed, though, you really do need to color calibrate your screen no matter how much you payed for it.
White looks white to me. Agree that if you need screen results to match printed, though, you really do need to color calibrate your screen no matter how much you payed for it.
Got my brand new MBPR today.
No green tint at all, but a very noticeable red-hue on an all-white background. Really disappointing.
I took mine to work today. There are three others with them, so we had four to place side by side for display comparisons. Thankfully I'm the lucky one, since mine has excellent color balance, saturation, and good pure whites.
Unfortunately the other three vary from close but noticeably pink, to totally unacceptable.
The one saving factor is that I do a lot of business with the Apple store, and it's just ten minutes from home. Because I know the managers so well, they were very accommodating today.
Having just received another shipment prior to our arrival, they replaced my friends one by one, till we got a good one. Interestingly it took three tries before we found one that was acceptable. Even the genius was visibly upset with the rejects. In fact he marked the others for Apple to inspect upon return.
That said I must admit I'm somewhat concerned, as I have a BTO model on order. We'll see if it's display is good or bad.
Originally I had planned on only buying the BTO for myself. But when the manager of my local store called me to say he had them, I couldn't resist and went in to grab this one, while waiting for my BTO.
I should have known, one look and my wife wants one, so I'll pass this one on when mine arrives.
Alright guys, here are some pictures of my new Retina vs. my 2007 MacBook (yes.. it was time for an upgrade!).
I can't say I noticed it before but I guess it is there. I'd love to compare it in person to another RMBP to see if it's anything I can get fixed.
1. Full brightness on both. RMBP is obviously much brighter so hard to tell.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/jNcDVl.jpg[/IMG]
2. Lowered RMBP brightness a bit. It sways more purple, the 2007 sways more green.
3. Apples. Definitely more noticeably purple. That's the thing that concerned me a bit. It's not like this on the old MBP right?
4. Just for kicks... retina vs. old display
And, not to start any more -gates, but the new MagSafe kinda sucks. I hated the bar design and was happy to return to the T-shape, but it dislodges so easily. But I guess it doesn't matter now that my battery actually works!
I can't say I noticed it before but I guess it is there. I'd love to compare it in person to another RMBP to see if it's anything I can get fixed.
1. Full brightness on both. RMBP is obviously much brighter so hard to tell.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/jNcDVl.jpg[/IMG]
2. Lowered RMBP brightness a bit. It sways more purple, the 2007 sways more green.
3. Apples. Definitely more noticeably purple. That's the thing that concerned me a bit. It's not like this on the old MBP right?
4. Just for kicks... retina vs. old display
And, not to start any more -gates, but the new MagSafe kinda sucks. I hated the bar design and was happy to return to the T-shape, but it dislodges so easily. But I guess it doesn't matter now that my battery actually works!
But the one Jamesesesesess was talking about was uniformly colored. And he was the one complaining about not wanting to calibrate. So duh right back at ya
Well I understand, but your statements seemed to be directed broadly at people complaining about the displays, and e.g., the OP explicitly referred to hue changes across the display.
I'm a little concerned about Apple's large retina displays. The iPad 3 is plagued with this issue (blotchy green/pink/yellow tints, dim corners on the displays, etc.) Now it sounds like the RMBP has the same issue, or at least a certain percentage of them do -- your story makes it sound like a fairly large percentage, which I feared. Must be something to do with the difficulties of manufacturing these giant retina displays and having an acceptable yield. The tiny iPhone screen didn't give them much trouble but the larger screens seem to be a real mixed bag. Hope they can resolve this.
See here - https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1387122/
And search this forum for 'yellow tint' 'screen discolouration' 'pink green'
It's a known 'issue' (or 'non-issue' for some) of the new retina display, namely the iPad 3 and now the MBP it seems. Hence the 'and it begins'
Seems Apple can't quite get the retina display just right at the moment. Many are holding out for the iPad 4 and are hoping they've cracked it by then. If not, it's quite obvious it's a problem that these retina displays have and it's something everyone just has to live with if they want this new technology.
Now you're in the loop, welcome to the madness
Please list your panel manufacture and model. Mine is:
Manufacture: 00000610
Model: 0000A00F
So far, this is easily the best display I have ever owned in an Apple product, and that's coming from someone who has returned over 15 iPads and various other macs for even the slightest display related issue.
Manufacture: 00000610
Model: 0000A00F
So far, this is easily the best display I have ever owned in an Apple product, and that's coming from someone who has returned over 15 iPads and various other macs for even the slightest display related issue.