RED iPod Nano Tomorrow?

[rtdunham]

That's the name of the charity foundation.

It's the "(Product) Red iPod nano", if they were donating to the Make a Wish Foundation it would be the "Make a Wish iPod nano."

Have you not read this thread or any of the others or any of the information about the foundation?

Thanks, Chundles. I'm generally critical of people who pose a question that could have been answered if they'd read a thread; in this instance with 273 posts (which in hindsight apparently would have answered my question) I elected to just blurt it out. So guilty as found: Lazy on my part. I'll do better. btw, there's not a way to search these forums, is there? Crikey.

 

[fitinferno]

Does anyone know if any of the Apple Store locations (outside of Michigan Ave.) have these in stock yet?

The one here in London does. I held that sexy lttl thing in my hand today! But I couldn't bring myself to buying it just yet--still debating the merits of my old 30gig ipod and stepping down to 4gig.

And I'd def be buying it based solely off the colour--no charity aspect--I love red and white! I can and do donate time/money to other charities. I don't need Apple picking the charity for me.

 

[fitinferno]

Thanks, Chundles. I'm generally critical of people who pose a question that could have been answered if they'd read a thread; in this instance with 273 posts (which in hindsight apparently would have answered my question) I elected to just blurt it out. So guilty as found: Lazy on my part. I'll do better. btw, there's not a way to search these forums, is there? Crikey.

There's def a way to search (it's up in the menu bar on the forums) BUT it has the miserable feature of sometimes not finding threads that have ALL of the words you look for but rather just a few of them

 

[Essefgy]

Anybody else having problems trying to buy, with Safari? The Select button was missing for me. It shows up in Firefox though.

 

[Beligerent]

Charity VS Blatent Commerce

I really hate to say this... maybe I'm a cynic or a conspiracy theorist but do you ever notice of all the "charity" money in the world never seems to stop the plague or disease its meant to stamp out? I once heard that the second a lab finds a cure for a major disease a patent is placed on it and then it is SOLD BACK to society with the money lining the pockets of the drug companies. You really think if a cure for aids is found the drug companies and going to immediately run it right down to africa and cure all those poor people? theres no oil there, half the country is currupt and ... ok ill stop now.

 

[Tehy]

mmm... Red iPod Nano looks awesome! I hope that video iPod will also get more colors.

 

[Some_Big_Spoon]

ok, now that this is out of the way, maybe we can get to some real hardware announcements.

 

[bdj21ya]

So I followed the joinred link from Apple's web site. The manifesto specifically says that the money will be used for anti-retroviral medicine for those suffering in Africa (though I know they're just picking one of the things the money is used for).

Still, to me this seems like an incredible misuse of the money. As I stated before, giving AIDS medicine to Africans is a wonderful charity, as long as there isn't something better to spend it on. In this case, it would be so much more effective to spend the money on education and economic development. Anti-retroviral drugs don't do ANYTHING to stop the spread of the disease, and in some cases increase the spread of the disease by increasing the amount of time it may be transmitted to another person (though I'm sure most people who know they're diagnosed with HIV try to be really careful, on balance, retroviral drugs can only increase the spread on the disease).

I'm all for helping people suffering, but wouldn't it help so many more future innocents avoid suffering if we focused on something to actually stop the disease?

If you think about it perversely, donating this money actually increases suffering, because every dollar you donate to antiretroviral medicine is a dollar you didn't spend on education or economic development.

 

[steve_hill4]

I would be tempted to buy one, but it doesn't fit in with my colour scheme of black, silver and white for electronics. I have a silver 4GB reserved at work and the nike+ kit on its way, switching to red would mean a longer wait too.

I already do a fair bit for charity, (still hoping to be in shape for London Marathon 2007, hence the nike+, however unlikely it is looking), and have given to Aids charities in the past. I also originally thought "people voting negative for this, why?", but then it dawned on me that a lot of them probably thought the 5% was too little, which I agree with, it's next to nothing. That's why rather than switching to red, I think the better option would be to donate my 12% saving, (buying from work remember), to Aids. It's still not much, but a lot closer to what this red iPod should be giving.

 

[hob]

I realise the charity is called (PRODUCT) Red, but is anyone else thinking it should be (iPod Nano) Red, just like the (SLVR) Red?

I know i know, but I can't get over the fact that the (PRODUCT) bit looks like a template...!

 

[guzhogi]

So I followed the joinred link from Apple's web site. The manifesto specifically says that the money will be used for anti-retroviral medicine for those suffering in Africa (though I know they're just picking one of the things the money is used for).

Still, to me this seems like an incredible misuse of the money. As I stated before, giving AIDS medicine to Africans is a wonderful charity, as long as there isn't something better to spend it on. In this case, it would be so much more effective to spend the money on education and economic development. Anti-retroviral drugs don't do ANYTHING to stop the spread of the disease, and in some cases increase the spread of the disease by increasing the amount of time it may be transmitted to another person (though I'm sure most people who know they're diagnosed with HIV try to be really careful, on balance, retroviral drugs can only increase the spread on the disease).

I'm all for helping people suffering, but wouldn't it help so many more future innocents avoid suffering if we focused on something to actually stop the disease?

If you think about it perversely, donating this money actually increases suffering, because every dollar you donate to antiretroviral medicine is a dollar you didn't spend on education or economic development.

I totally agree with you that we should give money to education so we can prevent AIDS from spreading, but we should also spend some money on a cure for those who are infected.

This is off topic, but I feel the same way about terrorism in that stopping all known terrorists won't do much when the US and other countries keep doing their stuff that makes people become terrorists. What's to stop people from becoming terrorists?

 

[mmmcheese]

So I followed the joinred link from Apple's web site. The manifesto specifically says that the money will be used for anti-retroviral medicine for those suffering in Africa (though I know they're just picking one of the things the money is used for).

Still, to me this seems like an incredible misuse of the money. As I stated before, giving AIDS medicine to Africans is a wonderful charity, as long as there isn't something better to spend it on. In this case, it would be so much more effective to spend the money on education and economic development. Anti-retroviral drugs don't do ANYTHING to stop the spread of the disease, and in some cases increase the spread of the disease by increasing the amount of time it may be transmitted to another person (though I'm sure most people who know they're diagnosed with HIV try to be really careful, on balance, retroviral drugs can only increase the spread on the disease).

I'm all for helping people suffering, but wouldn't it help so many more future innocents avoid suffering if we focused on something to actually stop the disease?

If you think about it perversely, donating this money actually increases suffering, because every dollar you donate to antiretroviral medicine is a dollar you didn't spend on education or economic development.

If you were dying of AIDS, and barely had enough money for food...would you rather a) receive the medicine to make you feel well enough to work and put food on your plate...or b) have someone come over every few days and tell you how to avoid getting AIDS?

This is just one of many charities and organizations that attempt to help this situations....others deal with education....if you don't like it, send your money towards one of the other charities instead....that is, if you planned on donating at all.

 

[nospleen]

Why is everyone trying to make this into some bigger issue... It is an iPod, it is red, and a portion of the money goes to charity. Enough of the, "It should be used for this instead..." If you do not like the charity, give your own money or time.

 

[rtdunham]

... the Black Plague was the same idea. Too many people, living in too close quarters, with too little regard for health or wellbeing. Millions died, but many survived, and the ones that did were smarter and wiser for it.

I'm almost convinced your comments are innocent. But i think you've made the mistake of linking survival, on the one hand, and virtue of some sort (smarter, wiser) on the other; not all plagues, by whatever name, are understood by their victims at the time. And some--as ignorant as those who died beside them--survive. Survivors may harbor some sort of biological resistence. But other virtues? Not necessarily.

It's a cultural thing: who's the wiser, smarter person in an african culture that reveres the word of the tribal sorcerer: the one who follows those practices, or the one who rejects them? It's the same as someone in our (euro-american) culture rejecting what science tells us about AIDs, in favor of some religion-based "solution": some people of each type will survive, but are the ones who pray for survival, and survive, smarter or wiser?

i started to say this is off-topic, but i think this kind of dialogue is exactly what Bono would want to prompt.

td

 

[bdj21ya]

Why is everyone trying to make this into some bigger issue... It is an iPod, it is red, and a portion of the money goes to charity. Enough of the, "It should be used for this instead..." If you do not like the charity, give your own money or time.

Right, but I thought it might be useful to point out why others should do the same.

 

[kurtsayin]

I really hate to say this... maybe I'm a cynic or a conspiracy theorist but do you ever notice of all the "charity" money in the world never seems to stop the plague or disease its meant to stamp out? I once heard that the second a lab finds a cure for a major disease a patent is placed on it and then it is SOLD BACK to society with the money lining the pockets of the drug companies. You really think if a cure for aids is found the drug companies and going to immediately run it right down to africa and cure all those poor people? theres no oil there, half the country is currupt and ... ok ill stop now.

Yeah! The drug companies should just invest billions in the research to find the cure and when it happens, reap no profit from it! And not just AIDS cures either. They should invest billions in finding cures for everything, and then give it all away for free so their corporation simply loses and loses and then there will be no more drug companies... thank God!

 

[hob]

...so it could look like this:

 

[bdj21ya]

If you were dying of AIDS, and barely had enough money for food...would you rather a) receive the medicine to make you feel well enough to work and put food on your plate...or b) have someone come over every few days and tell you how to avoid getting AIDS?

This is just one of many charities and organizations that attempt to help this situations....others deal with education....if you don't like it, send your money towards one of the other charities instead....that is, if you planned on donating at all.

Obviously the individual with AIDS would prefer the retroviral medicine. However, those of us over here giving to charity might be interested in preventing the most suffering possible with our dollars. I care equally about the suffering of the person currently infected with AIDS or HIV AND the suffering of some future person who will be infected with HIV. Since education and economic development will prevent a LOT more suffering overall, that's where I will choose to put my money.

It's as I said before, giving retroviral medicine to those who are suffering is a great cause, but it's sad if there isn't already enough money being spent on reducing future infections. And there ISN'T enough money being spent on education and economic development.

 

[rtdunham]

Hmmm.... a matching program would be cool--it could all be done electronically, like when Apple has had disaster charity giving built right into iTMS.

So when you buy a Red iPod, you pick the price If you pay more than normal, Apple will match your donation, and will pay a minimum of 10% regardless.

better yet, why not set up a link on the iTunes music store where owners or new buyers of non-red iPods could click and donate $10 (or a diff amt) of their ITMS balance to Bono's charity? Moved by the moment, i'd do that in a second for my two iPods. It would help the charity and reflect favorably (and accurately) on apple and the iPod community. So where do we petition for this idea?

 

[IlluminatedSage]

Well i would like to applaud Apple for doing this. Not only is it a good cause. but Apple is doing it without raising the list price.

So the money is really coming from apple's profit margin.

A company that cares about charity and the community will do better than a selfish corporation with no human compassion.

Apple is doing a great job.

 

[IlluminatedSage]

I also just checked online. the charity nano isn't subject to student discounting. i don't believe any of them are.

a good move as the models are doing well.

 

[rtdunham]

Ha ha, You are nuts. Let me tell you how it works.

Nobody gets rich by curing a disease. That is why diabetes, AIDS, HIV etc are all treated with "Keep you alive but not cure you drugs" that you have to buy for the rest of your life. The government and drug companies are in it together and are pure evil. Ain't nobody going to cure anything unless they can keep making money doing it. Get it? Good.

hey! who's that? over there, behind the grassy knoll?

 

[mmmcheese]

Obviously the individual with AIDS would prefer the retroviral medicine. However, those of us over here giving to charity might be interested in preventing the most suffering possible with our dollars. I care equally about the suffering of the person currently infected with AIDS or HIV AND the suffering of some future person who will be infected with HIV. Since education and economic development will prevent a LOT more suffering overall, that's where I will choose to put my money.

It's as I said before, giving retroviral medicine to those who are suffering is a great cause, but it's sad if there isn't already enough money being spent on reducing future infections. And there ISN'T enough money being spent on education and economic development.

So get out your cheque book and donate money to one of the organizations that does!

As well, this is more than just donating money to a cause...it's an awareness campaign...

 

[Flowbee]

It's as I said before, giving retroviral medicine to those who are suffering is a great cause, but it's sad if there isn't already enough money being spent on reducing future infections. And there ISN'T enough money being spent on education and economic development.

And what are you doing to correct that situation?

 

[monke]

...so it could look like this:

That would look a whole lot better than the current: iPod Nano (Product) Red.