What are you talking about it?
Are you that daft? The refs in the NFL the past few weeks are acting like refs for a high school game. I had to put your own comparison together for you?
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Are you that daft? The refs in the NFL the past few weeks are acting like refs for a high school game. I had to put your own comparison together for you?
Haha slightly off topic, but on topic in this off topic thread now, it clearly is putting a damper on the season at this point when a team could legitimately need a win at the end of the season to make the playoffs but are getting screwed early in the season by these rent-a-refs
I still say Don Denkinger can go **** himself.
Oh, this is NFL we're talking about? Nevermind. *yawn*
Oh, this is NFL we're talking about? Nevermind. *yawn*
The refs are d-list college refs. They're the bottle of the barrel refs and people need to give them a break. They've made some really bad calls but what do you expect? You're basically asking a first year undergrad student with dreams of finishing med school to perform a simple surgery. This is the fault of the NFL and Goodell.
OTOH, this is ****ing up every pool that I'm in. Really.
Jennings intercepted the ball, but when he came down, he was fighting with Tate for the ball. Since both had possession of the ball, the call goes towards the offensive side, which makes the TD call correct. The problem I have with this whole thing is not one ref signaling the INT, while the other signaling TD, its the blatant pass interference by Tate. That push off was ridiculous, OPI should have been called, and the game would have been over, without the aftermath.
It only goes to the offensive side if there is simultaneous possession of the ball. Jennings grabbed the ball first in the jump ball before Tate got his hand on it. They came down and Jennings had 2 hands on the ball and it pulled to his chest. Tate had his arm around the ball on top of Jennings hand. It should have been ruled an interception for GB. Terrible call, even worse that they reviewed it and still ****ed it up.
Much worse than the probably missed but ruled good field goal to end the Ravens/Pats game.
Well if Jennings had it, and Tate had his hands on it as well, wouldnt that be simultaneous possession? To me, Jennings clearly had possession in the air, but Tate had his hand on the ball as well when Jennings came down. It does look like Jennings had a majority of the ball, but Tate did have some possession, which would make the TD stand, IF qualified personnel saw it that way, which is the problem. I dont think that the refs even know that rule, and were going by what they saw, hence the two different calls in the endzone.
Hands down though, the worst call, or non call, was that push off by Tate. Call the OPI, and the game is over, period. No arguments over whether it was a TD or INT. The sad thing is, the NFL admits that Tate should have been called for OPI, but wont award the win to GB. They have no balls!
Exactly. I feel terrible for these guys. They're DII/DIII/high school refs and it's clear they're just in over their heads. The extra scrutiny, pressure, and ongoing berating by players and coaches just makes it worse. This situation is in no way their fault, even though they're taking a lot of abuse.
I really don't think that field goal call was the worst of the calls in the Patriots/Ravens games. The Patriots got outright screwed on a TON of calls in the first 3 quarters, which kept our defense on the field and kept drives going for the Ravens when they were out of synch.
Call me a homer/biased/whatever all night and day, but that game was total BS. I have never, ever blamed a game on the officials, but I really think they tilted the balance of the game and our young ass team couldn't hold up against it. It took away from our defensive aggressiveness, and the bad calls against us were worse and more plentiful than the other way around.
I was waiting for someone to post up a play-by-play of the **** calls during that game, and someone finally has. And for the record, that PI call on McCourty at the end of the game was correct - I'm talking about the egregious calls earlier in the game that even made that GW drive possible. Still pissed even thinking about it, can't imagine how GB fans feel.
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There's two meanings here to simultaneous possession:
They both came down with their hands on the ball which would be considered the both possessing the ball simultaneously.
However, simultaneous possession in the rule book refers to when the possession is established. It looks like Jennings touches the ball first, so he should have been awarded possession. It should only default to the offensive player (according to the rule book) if both players initially touch the ball at the same exact time.
Oh I agree. The field goal call was just the cherry on top. Those referees **** their pants when the entire stadium started chanting bull-****. From there, every call went Baltimore's way.
Even before the end though, it was probably the worst officiated game I've ever seen. And not just for the Pats, it was for Baltimore too. Terrible calls going against both teams.
Between that debacle and the invisible holding call on Gronk on the Woodhead should-have-been-game-winning touchdown against Arizona, the Patriots could be 3-0 right now.
No, I don' think that's correct.
I ran the slow motion replay in slow motion on my HD TV. The first thing that struck me (after Tate struck Shields) is that Jennings was two feet higher in the air than Tate when he first touched the ball, with his hands stretched above his head. No way Tate's arms are long enough to catch the ball at the same time as Jennings. Tate's claim to simultaneous possession stems from being able to stick his hands in there after Jennings had possession. That's consecutive, not simultaneous.
The next thing that sticks out is that while falling to the ground, Tate's right hand is extended out from his body and is no where near the football. His right hand then moves back toward the ball, and you see his left arm dropping away from Jennings and where he was clutching the football. To say that the replay could not give conclusive visual evidence to establish possession is bull.
But, I'm a Packers fan.