I've had a total of 3 refurbed products from Apple, all iPods. My first was a silver 4gb mini, which at the time came in the regular new retail box that they all came in which was nice. Being my first iPod, the expectations were high and it blew me away. Perfect condition and it lasted me about 3 years until I got rid of it for a nano, the mini was in better condition than the nano, but the battery life had dimished a lot, but that was to be expected. Two that I recently got was the previous generation 1gb nano for my brother and a silver 4gb nano since they lowered the price to $129 for myself. Both again were in perfect condition and I can say they will probably last us both a long time. Just don't plan on giving them as a gift to anyone considering it says "refurbished" all over the box. 😀 All that matters is the contents inside which has always been perfect for me.