Refurb Mac Pro now? Or wait for WWDC?

Discussion in 'Mac Pro' started by MBHockey, May 11, 2015.

  1. MBHockey macrumors 68040

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    I am in the market for an nMP, likely the 6 core model. It seems it's due for an update any day now considering Grantley has been shipping for quite a while and the GPUs are pretty long in the tooth at this point. I wouldn't mind paying at a 15% discount for a refurb machine, but has there been any indication that a refreshed nMP may be in the works for WWDC?
     
  2. fuchsdh macrumors 6502a

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    Anyone's guess is as good as the next one at this point. Even if new machines are announced at WWDC they might not immediately ship, and there's generally a lag between when refurbs drop in price after the new model hits. Since there's only a month until the dev conference you might as well wait and see what hits.
     
  3. td2243 macrumors 6502

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    It could be two years from now for all we know. I don't think this line of computers is a priority at all.
     
  4. shaunp macrumors 65816

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    If you need it now, buy it now. If you can get a good deal on a refurb then why not. Apple may update the Mac Pro this year, they may not.

    Many people waited an age for an updated Mac Mini only to be disappointed with one when it arrived, and if history is anything to show the Mac Pro has very long update cycles. Apple certainly don't push it very hard or make it very visible in their stores - it's all about laptops and the iMac.

    I would also say that if you are looking at refurbs you may want to look at the previous Mac Pro as it may give you more expandability and better GPU options, etc. It depends upon what your needs are.
     
  5. MBHockey thread starter macrumors 68040

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    Isn't that strange? I went to a local Apple Store recently and couldn't find the Mac Pro to play with. When I asked an employee where the Mac Pros are he looked at me as if nobody had ever asked him that question before.

    As far as cMPs -- is there a reputable site that people are buying them used off of? Or just ebay/craigslist?
     
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  7. edanuff macrumors 6502

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    Given it's only a month away, I'd wait till WWDC to see what, if anything, happens. You may still opt for a 2013 refurb, but if so, it'll be a fair bit cheaper to buy.
     
  8. ActionableMango macrumors 604

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    Macrumors buyer's guide says the average time between updates is 449 days, and the last update was 509 days ago. In other words, "don't buy".
    http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/#Mac_Pro

    IMHO if you can wait till WWDC, then you might as well. If you cannot, then you shouldn't even be asking us.
     
  9. poematik13 macrumors 6502a

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    I'm in the same boat as you and am just gonna wait till WWDC just to be safe.
     
  10. MBHockey thread starter macrumors 68040

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    I've seen this but am not convinced they are useful for predicting future refreshes. They are incredibly variable.
     
  11. Zorn macrumors 6502a

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    They are pretty useful for the products Apple cares about and updates yearly, like iDevices. For the Mac Pro, it's anybody's guess when they won't be too busy to dedicate someone to updating it. The guy who was in charge of that is probably busy working on new Apple Watch bands.
     
  12. tomscott1988 macrumors regular

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    The current mac pro doesn't really seem good value atm. I just picked up a 5,1 3.46 6 core W3690 with 48gb ram 2x256gb PCI ssd standard 5770 (which i will upgrade) and a 4tb hdd and it cost me £1200 it is 20% slower than the nMP but spec a nMP to that in the apple store and its £3600.

    Thats a saving of £2400.

    Pretty good until apple update the nMP. My thought process was although Thunderbolt is great I would have to spend another £400 on a thunderbolt enclosure, I like the internal HDD of the cMP, size doesn't really bother me it goes under the desk. So it would have been a £4000 upgrade for a 2 year old machine.

    The nMP is upgradable, CPU, Ram and SSD but it will cost an arm and a leg to do so. The graphics are in theory upgradable, but if you read a few of the threads like this it looks like they won't be able to in the future.

    http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1876181

    The current graphics don't support 5k and won't? So they will hit the second hand market and be a pointless buy for future purposes.

    Although the cMP is technically a 2012 it has PCI2 (at least it has PCI) Sata 2 (although you can get a SATA 3 card), and slower ram its still a valid machine and can still be upgraded more so than the nMP especially when you save 60%.
     
  13. MBHockey thread starter macrumors 68040

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    hahaha
     
  14. shaunp macrumors 65816

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    It's not much better here in the UK, they are just shoved to one side. Weird that Apple made such a loud noise at launch time, then nothing.

    As for used cMP's there are probably specialists who deal with used Mac's in the US that will give you a warranty, etc. In the UK there's Scrumpy Macs. Does anyone know if there's anything similar in the US?
     
  15. tomscott1988 macrumors regular

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    I bought mine from mac_store_uk on ebay.

    Product described as:

    The Mac has been professionally upgraded and comes with a 12 Months RTB hardware warranty
     
  16. dagamer34 macrumors 65816

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    I can't see Apple ignoring Mac Pro for Thunderbolt 3 and the ability to drive dual 5K displays (likely Apple-branded) that can be hooked up via a single cable. But that's not until next year.
     
  17. dmylrea macrumors 68000

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    USB 3.1 devices will be more useful than TBx (1-3). It's possible a new version nMP would have USB 3.1, but currently you CAN get USB 3.1 card for the cMP now, and support will flourish as time goes on.

    The TB "tax" is too high.
     
  18. td2243 macrumors 6502

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    Isn't it sad that we are in this waiting game again with the MP? Instead of regularly updating like other companies, we have to guess which calendar year might get an update. Might.

    For some people, (myself included) the MP is a good chunk of money. It would be nice if they would treat the public with a little more respect instead of acting like every release is the greatest technological feat ever.

    The worst part is knowing that if I had the money, I'm not sure I'd buy one because it doesn't seem that even Apple cares about the line. Simple updates would go a long way in helping me toward a purchase.
     
  19. MBHockey thread starter macrumors 68040

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    thanks for all your input everyone. Possibly against my better judgement I picked up an nMP refurb (from Apple) a few days ago, 6 core/512 SSD/D500/16 GB. The timing was right for me,. I do still hope they release something new at WWDC for anyone who is waiting for upgrades. I'm very happy with my machine.

    I live in a small apt in nyc and space is a premium. The fact I could put this on my desk rather than have a cMP tower take up space on my floor was actually a big factor. Loving it so far. Only imperfection i've found on this refurb unit is a small defect in the metal casing (paint chip?). I wonder if that's why this one got sent back. It's very minor and absolutely worth the savings, even for me who tends to irrationally obsess about these kinds of things.

    I have been using a 4GB MBA for photo editing over the past year (bought it two years ago before i got into photography). Lightroom/Photoshop on this machine is an absolute dream compared to what I was using!
     
  20. mrxak macrumors 68000

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    Meh. I'm waiting for WWDC.

    Isn't it funny how they made such a big deal about the nMP after waiting so long, and we thought that it signaled Apple finally cared only to find out they didn't care at all, and they could've simply given us another new cMP like most of us wanted?

    It's pretty clear now that Apple does not want real computers to exist. They could have at least released a second version before they abandoned the line again, so the people wary of being first adopters could at least have one.
     
  21. AppleDroid macrumors 6502a

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    You also have to blame the manufacturers like Intel who are nearly 2yrs behind schedule with processor updates. It's been thought that Apple has been waiting for Skylake + TB3 before releasing an updated system.
     
  22. ActionableMango macrumors 604

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    Apple refurbs are truly fantastic! I got my cMP that way as well.
     
  23. AidenShaw macrumors P6

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    Since when is it news that complex leading edge processors slip the schedule a bit?

    Blame Apple for not anticipating the norm.

    And, pray tell, why not blame Apple for not adopting Haswell-EP processors?

    Why not blame Apple for not adopting Maxwell GPUs that spank the ATI GPUs and OpenCL - plus offer CUDA?

    Why not blame Apple? Why not blame Apple for withholding some real advancements just because something better may be coming? (Unless Intel realizes that its T-Bolt strategy has been flawed from the beginning, and T-Bolt3 never ships.)
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    Or, would blaming Apple be tantamount to admitting that Apple doesn't care about the Mac Pro?
     
  24. sigmadog macrumors 6502a

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    I blame Apple for the breakup of my marriage. It hasn't actually happened yet. Not even close. But if it does, they'll have some 'splaining to do.
     
  25. ixxx69 macrumors 6502a

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    That's the crux of it. MP fans need to understand that Apple has pretty close to zero interest in the MP. It just doesn't fit into their vision of the future of the PC. They clearly came close to killing it off altogether before moving forward with the nMP. That doesn't mean they won't continue to release more iterations of the nMP over the next few years, but I wouldn't be surprised to see it stay on a two year update schedule.
     

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