Leave the Spin to Apple PR. You don't have an explanation for the price either and you're not paid by Apple to spin their greed in this (the pricing is the reason I went with the 15" rMBP instead of the 13").
I knew you would.
Again, all your spin is worthless in light of the 15" rMBP's pricing. That's what people are basing themselves on when they claim the 13" rMBP should be 1499$. Because by all logic that went into pricing the 15", it should be 1499$. Anything else you come up with is pro-Apple spin, and frankly, should be left as a job for Apple employees, not consumers (consumers should never try to justify higher prices).
I'm holding out until the updates, if Apple do discontinue the classic MacBook Pro line I would assume the price on the retina models would decrease.
Did you consider that perhaps you rewarded Apple's "greed" by stepping up to a more expensive machine?
Unless, of course, said "customer" is a plant from the company. Is Apple above that? I can't say I ever recall them doing that, but who knows; maybe that's something they can still actually keep secret for years on end.
Unless, of course, said "customer" is a plant from the company. Is Apple above that? I can't say I ever recall them doing that, but who knows; maybe that's something they can still actually keep secret for years on end.
KPOM is not an Apple plant, he's just often too quick to try to justify Apple's anti-consumer pricing practices, even when they totally defy reality.
I'm surprised you are more upset about the $200 premium on the display rather than the prices they charge for extra flash storage. Now that's where they really pad their margins.
I'm not paying 1400$+ for a computer with an Intel GPU.
No, because their pricing on the 15" rMBP was fair. I rewarded their fair pricing policy.
You forgot ram. It's not user upgradable in the retinas as it's soldered to the MB thus forcing you to buy from Apple.
My only gripe with purchasing a refurb of these - I'd want the base with 16GB of ram and that doesn't seem possible.
It's certain. Been proven on this thread: https://discussions.apple.com/message/20942503?ac_cid=tw123456#20942503
How do you define "fair"? You seem to be basing it on the premium to the cMBP. But is that the right measure? There is a $600 premium between the base 13" cMBP and the base 15" cMBP. Is the quad-core processor, the discrete GPU, and larger screen really "worth" the extra $600? It certainly doesn't cost anywhere near that much more. Maybe the 15" rMBP just seems more "fairly" priced because they are gouging the 15"rMBP customers.
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The maximum RAM is 8GB on the 13" model.
I'm surprised you are more upset about the $200 premium on the display rather than the prices they charge for extra flash storage. Now that's where they really pad their margins.
How do you define "fair"? You seem to be basing it on the premium to the cMBP. But is that the right measure?
The 13" MBA has a 1440x900 screen, vs the 13" cMBP that has a 1280x800 screen.
However, I doubt a rMBA would have a 2880x1800 screen, they simply stick to the 2560x1600 screen.
$1439 sounds like a good price for a NEW one... Should have been around that price to begin with.
Yes. That was the right measure for me. Of course, there's no measure to make the 13" cMBP to 13" rMBP fair. None.
There's little competition in the 15" arena too, and yet the rMBP 15" managed to be priced very close to a 15" cMBP, in fact, the Retina display becomes a no-cost option if you configure both the 15" cMBP and the 15" rMBP to the same specs.
Yet, the 13" rMBP has the display as a 200$ option. A similarly configured 13" cMBP is 200$ cheaper.
There's no explanation for that, you can't spin this kind of stuff (well, you'll try...).
What does the "c" before "MBP" stand for? Sure hope it aint crap...
What does the "c" before "MBP" stand for? Sure hope it aint crap...
Is it worth it to me, the customer
The padding occurs accross the whole range, equally. Yes, it's greedy that there's such a premium for a 32 GB iPhone vs a 16 GB one when the only change is 10$ worth of Flash, but it's consistent accross the whole line-up. I'm not upset about the display, just find it ludicrous that it's a 0$ option on the 15" and a 200$ option the 13" basically.
If it was 200$ on both at least, it would make sense (I'm OCD, stuff needs to make sense).
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Yes. That was the right measure for me. Of course, there's no measure to make the 13" cMBP to 13" rMBP fair. None. You need to enter "market will bear-Apple PR land" to make it work, which should be left to people paid by Apple, not its users.
Stop playing "Apple PR person".
Sure there is. Is it worth it to me, the customer making the decision, to pay $200 more for the rMBP in order to get a machine that's nearly a pound lighter and has a better display? If yes, then it's a "fair" price to me. If not, then it isn't. Since I'm not in the market for a 15" notebook, Apple's relative pricing on the 15" models is irrelevant.