Hi everyone, just found this site through google and I must say its great. I am interested in purchasing an 80gb Ipod but I am wondering, how long does it take for refurbished models of a newly released model to appear on apple.com. Does anyone remember how soon after the release of the 60gb and 30gb video models did refurbished models of the two begin to appear on apple.com? Also does apple.com usually have any Christmas discounts or sale on refurbished models or Ipods in general? Thanks in advance.