The only models currently showing for sale direct from Apple are the 7 and 7+. I'm not familiar with Apple's policy on selling refurbed phones. Are the only refurbs sold always 2 generations old? Is it possible that 8's and 8+'s will be available before next September? I have a feeling the X will never be sold as refurbed but does anyone think that's possible? I've bought many Apple refurbs in the past, although not an iPhone, and always found them to be exactly like new.